Is Cragg the right AD for the job?

Cragg is indeed more accessible than Jack Kaiser was as St. John’s AD. Always wondered why Mr. Kaiser did not go on Twitter Instagram Facebook TikTok Google Plus and use email to connect with the fanbase back in the day. Oh yeah but he did make himself available to talk to in person in his office so there’s that.
 
Cragg is indeed more accessible than Jack Kaiser was as St. John’s AD. Always wondered why Mr. Kaiser did not go on Twitter Instagram Facebook TikTok Google Plus and use email to connect with the fanbase back in the day. Oh yeah but he did make himself available to talk to in person in his office so there’s that.
I only met Jack Kaiser in person once . He bought me dinner in Syracuse back in 1979 while he was scouting the Orange and the Hoyas with Carmen Calzonetti . I met up with him only because he was in the same Bar as I was .

I went over introduced myself as a Alum and they invited us to join them . We must have talked to after midnight . He picked up the check !

I can’t say enough good things about him .

I think Jack from the greatest Generation Era was probably not all that interested in Emails, Texting , etc . He was more of a in person guy . I doubt Louie spends hours on email either .
 
My understanding is that he had a 5 year contract. After year 4 he approached StJ's for an extension. St. John's said "not now; lets see how thing go , come back and we will talk"; Mullin unexpectedly quit. St. John's did not anticipate him promptly resigning late in the coach carousel process.
I remember Mullin saying he did not want to paid if he wasn't coaching. At least it was reported that he said that.
 
My post is a counter-post. What i would say is that very few people are aware of how this all went down and I won't share some details, but there is no way any AD can unilaterally fire a coach with that much time remaining on his deal. Even Shanley needed approval from the BOT for all steps involved. There were some radical shifts along the way and in the end most key players were in alignment, including Shanley, Cragg, and the BOT, especially the chair.

The season fell apart in phases, small cracks developed into major structural fissures. What began a a typically slow start to the BE season began form a hole we wouldn't climb out of. When that was apparent the initial reaction was CMA would get a season to redeem himself. When visibly Curbelo and Pinzon transformed into Barnum and Bailey, enough crap was happening to form the inevitable decision to move on.

I remember having a conversation with a couple of people very very close to the situation when the team had not yet imploded but the season looked shot. I questioned whether Mike would be strong enough to consider a change if the high hoped season completely fell apart. I was assured he most certainly would.

Shanley certainly seized the lead as it is within his authority but although he is getting (and not shunning) all the credit, it was a much bigger process whereby a sizeable mix of midmajor successful coaches and high level big conference guys were considered by a small team including all key players (Shanley, Cragg and some BOT members) was assembled. I can assure you Pitino was not considered early on, and his inclusion was an evolution of events.

All I would say is that on here this board often simplifies based on lack of knowledge and creates heroes and villains. Almost certainly there is a certain glee in defaming and villifying at times greater than celebrating good stuff - like the Pitino hire.

All corporations, public and private, including universities, are all really teams. To function well all major components have to work well together. In the case of the Pitino hire, it was a team effort not without some considerable missteps.

Our fans think of an AD as a coach of coaches and measure success simply by wins and losses. Here that is reduced 95% to men's basketball. In reality the AD's job is so much bigger than that, from interfacing with institutional advancement, to marketing arms, to ticket management, and game day prep, tv contracts, sponsorships, donor clubs like red whie and champions club, to engaging and attracting students and fans, managing and improving facilities, supporting all 18 teams at games, and perhaps most of all caring for and managing academic and personal needs of some 400 student athletes.

You may think Cragg is doing or not doing a good job, but without knowledge of the position it is all just fan board blather.

I would suggest if anyone has concerns, engage Cragg directly. He will willingly discuss any aspect of sju athletics with any fan, which I'm certain distinguishes him from 99% of athletic directors. He can be reached at craggm@stjohns.edu and i guarantee he will respond to your concerns.


Great post, thanks for the insight.

Regardless of your opinion on Cragg, I suspect Beast's post is based on factual information. I agree these situations are too complex and nuanced to define competent vs. non-competent, or villain vs. hero.
 
Great post, thanks for the insight.

Regardless of your opinion on Cragg, I suspect Beast's post is based on factual information. I agree these situations are too complex and nuanced to define competent vs. non-competent, or villain vs. hero.
But if we use the complexity of an issue as its metric, then we will have a very difficult time looking at results.

Coaching at SJU was always considered difficult because the facilities fall behind other schools. But yet we had coaches who recruited well, but could not manage the game or make changes.

Some managed games, but were not good recruiters.

Ultimately they are judged by wins and losses. Cragg should be judged by the state of the athletic department.

This is not about good vs. evil. I hope it does not come to having two fronts, for and against Cragg. I think that is silly.

I never called for Cragg’s dismissal. I just said his tenure here has not been great. Maybe it was unfair, but coming from Duke, I expected more.
 
But if we use the complexity of an issue as its metric, then we will have a very difficult time looking at results.

Coaching at SJU was always considered difficult because the facilities fall behind other schools. But yet we had coaches who recruited well, but could not manage the game or make changes.

Some managed games, but were not good recruiters.

Ultimately they are judged by wins and losses. Cragg should be judged by the state of the athletic department.

This is not about good vs. evil. I hope it does not come to having two fronts, for and against Cragg. I think that is silly.

I never called for Cragg’s dismissal. I just said his tenure here has not been great. Maybe it was unfair, but coming from Duke, I expected more.
Have you been below CA where student lockers, arhlete weight room, equipment room, etc? It's like walking through the ruins of ellis island. There was no investment for decades and to varying degrees each of Cragg's predecessors are responsible. How did Prov, UCONN, Villanova, creighton, Xavier and others surpass us? Not on coaching alone. Pitino himself mentioned Providence's fantastic athletic facilities in his press conf.

Great recruiters will always get players, but the less you have to offer the more you will lose to schools that not only recruit well but have spent $$
 
Have you been below CA where student lockers, arhlete weight room, equipment room, etc? It's like walking through the ruins of ellis island. There was no investment for decades and to varying degrees each of Cragg's predecessors are responsible. How did Prov, UCONN, Villanova, creighton, Xavier and others surpass us? Not on coaching alone. Pitino himself mentioned Providence's fantastic athletic facilities in his press conf.

Great recruiters will always get players, but the less you have to offer the more you will lose to schools that not only recruit well but have spent $$
For someone who was only going to post once in this forum, your consistent defense makes you sound like Cragg’s agent.

If we use your argument only, then how would anyone assess a coach’s performance?

Just like Cragg’s disadvantages, so too are the coaches up against the same hurdles. Probably more so because they have to make due with what they have.
 
Cragg is indeed more accessible than Jack Kaiser was as St. John’s AD. Always wondered why Mr. Kaiser did not go on Twitter Instagram Facebook TikTok Google Plus and use email to connect with the fanbase back in the day. Oh yeah but he did make himself available to talk to in person in his office so there’s that.
Jack was not a social media guy, particularly when you consider he retired in 1995 and Twitter, Facebook, TikTOC, Instagram, Google Plus all started after 2004 and email while used for business purposes from late 1980's, it wasn't used by general public until mid 1990's (AOL.com did not make its debut until 1993 and become popularized by "You've Got Mail" in 1998).

The history of social media discussion ends and the thought of Jack using Tic Toc Like Brady Dunlap is hilarious.
 
Wow can’t believe some of you guys didn’t realize I was being facetious about Mr Kaiser and the use of social media (as a counterpoint to a post about Cragg being more accessible by use of same) 🤣😂 (really surprised President George Washington didn’t travel more by plane ✈️ to save time) 🤪
 
Shanley didn’t utilize the AD to hire Pitino which says something to me. Anderson wasn’t a bad hire at first but I feel like Cragg gets led around a bit too much. Maybe he’s not able to make executive decisions, but some things are head scratchers. Things like Anderson’s contract extension, and how long he kept a terrible lacrosse coach Miller around.

The hire of the New lax coach Justin Turri is actually a great one, but took a long time to get there. I’d frankly be in favor of Shanley hiring an AD that he really trusts. If you look at Providence, their basketball program is booming and selling like hotcakes. They have it dialed in.

Cragg imo has been ok. Much better and more professional than the last few, but not the alpha guy to really push things and make this program great again. Hopefully that started with Shanley hiring Pitino and the ball really gets rolling. I can still see Shanley finding somebody he can really get behind and put his trust into.
 
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But if we use the complexity of an issue as its metric, then we will have a very difficult time looking at results.

Coaching at SJU was always considered difficult because the facilities fall behind other schools. But yet we had coaches who recruited well, but could not manage the game or make changes.

Some managed games, but were not good recruiters.

Ultimately they are judged by wins and losses. Cragg should be judged by the state of the athletic department.

This is not about good vs. evil. I hope it does not come to having two fronts, for and against Cragg. I think that is silly.

I never called for Cragg’s dismissal. I just said his tenure here has not been great. Maybe it was unfair, but coming from Duke, I expected more.
Too many paragraphs . Try and avoid 1 sentence paragraphs . Consolidate your thoughts . We will monitor going forward . 😀
 
For someone who was only going to post once in this forum, your consistent defense makes you sound like Cragg’s agent.

If we use your argument only, then how would anyone assess a coach’s performance?

Just like Cragg’s disadvantages, so too are the coaches up against the same hurdles. Probably more so because they have to make due with what they have.
That's a reasonable point. Thanks for urging the discussion to stay civil. I only posted once in support of Cragg, multiple times to remind/educate that the AD position is much more than hiring and firing the basketball coach, and to remind people that in a league filled with well funded schools, is it any wonder that the worst funded programs typically (but not always) are near the bottom.

Imagine a software company competing against google, microsoft, facebook for talent. Those companies can attract the best talent because they pay the highest salaries. I think the average google employee earns $297k annually. So yes, resources make a difference.

Finally you may all recall that the top choice for coach after Mullin by the water guy was someone cragg had known for 30 years, hurley. He would have hired him i believe if the school said he could offer whatever it took. Other folks wanted Porter Moses, a dazzling 34-33 at OKS. As it turned out either would not have been great hires.

Easy to say make due with what you have but when all you can afford is Sirloin steak and your competitors can afford filet mignon, who is more likely to serve the better meal?
 
But if we use the complexity of an issue as its metric, then we will have a very difficult time looking at results.

Coaching at SJU was always considered difficult because the facilities fall behind other schools. But yet we had coaches who recruited well, but could not manage the game or make changes.

Some managed games, but were not good recruiters.

Ultimately they are judged by wins and losses. Cragg should be judged by the state of the athletic department.

This is not about good vs. evil. I hope it does not come to having two fronts, for and against Cragg. I think that is silly.

I never called for Cragg’s dismissal. I just said his tenure here has not been great. Maybe it was unfair, but coming from Duke, I expected more.

Fair points and I guess "complexities" was not the best choice of words. I just think some are quick to trash Cragg and praise Shanley by over simplifying the course of events. For example, while I am very impressed with Shanley, we can't forget that he signed off on the same CMA extension that we torch Cragg for.

Plenty of solid executives have made lousy decisions. For me, the verdict is still out on Cragg. I don't feel strongly about him in either direction. Lucky for him, he now has Rick
 
Fair points and I guess "complexities" was not the best choice of words. I just think some are quick to trash Cragg and praise Shanley by over simplifying the course of events. For example, while I am very impressed with Shanley, we can't forget that he signed off on the same CMA extension that we torch Cragg for.

Plenty of solid executives have made lousy decisions. For me, the verdict is still out on Cragg. I don't feel strongly about him in either direction. Lucky for him, he now has Rick
Exactly my thoughts. It’s kind of management 101 that you expect and want talented people to learn from their mistakes. If they keep making the same mistakes it’s time to part company. Way too early to reach that conclusion as to Cragg. There is a part of the Johnnie fan base that isn’t happy unless they are calling for someone to be fired.
 
Fair points and I guess "complexities" was not the best choice of words. I just think some are quick to trash Cragg and praise Shanley by over simplifying the course of events. For example, while I am very impressed with Shanley, we can't forget that he signed off on the same CMA extension that we torch Cragg for.

Plenty of solid executives have made lousy decisions. For me, the verdict is still out on Cragg. I don't feel strongly about him in either direction. Lucky for him, he now has Rick
Since Pitino will bring in the wins and the money to the basketball program, Cragg must turn the other athletic programs around.

If things don’t change for the better, then he is one the clock.
 
Exactly my thoughts. It’s kind of management 101 that you expect and want talented people to learn from their mistakes. If they keep making the same mistakes it’s time to part company. Way too early to reach that conclusion as to Cragg. There is a part of the Johnnie fan base that isn’t happy unless they are calling for someone to be fired.
Again, no one is demanding Cragg gets fired. We are pointing out his errors as the head of the athletic department.

Just curious, when is it fair to criticize a the AD, when the athletic programs are struggling? One of those programs — soccer — was at one time not long ago, a jewel.

Why can’t we expect Cragg to jumpstart soccer again. There is no excuse about facilities or the coach. The soccer program has a strong baseline from which to work.
 
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