Incarnate Word, Fri. Dec. 18, 7pm, FS1 & 970 AM

Put me in the looney crowd. I can take losses ( I'm a freaking st johns fan so I'm used to most of them by now ). I can even chalk up that first disgusting blowout loss in the exhibition game to the Division 10 team as our guys just started playing together and the staff just starting to coach together.

But when you get blown out not even competitive to Fordham then lose by what seemed like 100 something points in hawaii the first game then get blown out not even competitive to a team I never even heard of before the season started on your home floor then I'm sorry but the anger after a loss like that is warranted in my opinion.

I fully expect a shitload of losses come big east time and I'll be ok with it unless we go o for the conference but losses like last night are beyond anger level for me personally

Ok I vented.
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Hope you feel better.
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Not really/ But I'm about to go xmas shopping in the city which means I might stop at rolf's on 3rd ave again for their potent egg nog. That will make me feel better for sure :)
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I admire a man with a plan!! Enjoy
 
Let's see how our team responds on Sunday. Need better D & ball movement. Need more structure going forward. We do not have enough talent to free lance. Need to get Mussini the ball off screens more often.
Still have lots of faith in this staff. Go Johnnies!
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I am sorry but Mussini cannot play point and be run off screens at the same time. He is our only point option right now, just the way it is. We don't need more structure, we need players/experience for the players we have now. Just watched the Hall and I am not sure we have ONE player that would play significant minutes for them at this point in time. Down the road, definetly; right now, arguably, no.
 
All this 'this conference is better than that conference' talk is nonsense IMO. College basketball has become extremely homogeneous, anybody can beat anybody. Conference affiliation has nothing to do with who wins when it comes time tip off.
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Well said and quite true
 
All this 'this conference is better than that conference' talk is nonsense IMO. College basketball has become extremely homogeneous, anybody can beat anybody. Conference affiliation has nothing to do with who wins when it comes time tip off.
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Eh the Football 5 conferences along with the Big East and to a lesser extent A10 and AAC account for nearly all of the at large bids. There's a very high correlation between conference affiliation and out of conference wins. Big East's out of conference winning percentage is about 80% and most of those losses were to good teams.

Yes there are some exceptions like DePaul and Rutgers but for the most part teams in the top conferences go about 10-3 or better out of conference.
 
It's embarrassing but I expected some embarrassing loses this year so I'm not too concerned. Totally agree that this loss won't have a negative impact on recruiting...good players will see an opportunity to get immediate playing time for a Big East program. I think we read more as lacking talent than lacking coaching right now so I don't think recruits will be scared to come.
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I'm pretty much on board with this line of thinking. Yes it was a bad loss, but I expected a very rough year this year. Trying not to get too down after losses.

Also people fail to realize how much the game has changed in the past 10-20 years. There is so much more parity now. Any team can beat any other team on a given night. There is no longer the large gap between all of the D-1 teams to where you can expect blowouts over mid majors. If this loss had happened 20 years ago for St. John's I'd be more concerned.
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Sorry, but the 'any team can win on any given night' speech does not refer to the Incarnate Word basketball program. They just became a Division I basketball program two years ago. Trust me, I'm well aware that this is a depleted St. John's team. But last night's loss was inexcusable especially on your home floor. The team came out flat and with no energy, which was a shock considering they just came off a great win.
 
More early season games against high school Varsity teams would solve this problem. Not a St Anthony Varsity type, more like a Tottenville Pirates Varsity. Still a large enough talent gap.

Seriously though, if you don't believe that any team can win on any night, you're only fooling yourself. All it takes is for the favorite to have a horrible night and the underdog to play the game of their lives. 5/6 from 3 point land from a 6 foot 7 forward that isn't typically a three point shooter would fall into that category.

A bad loss, yes. Don't watch this year if you can't handle bad losses, even against teams that on paper should be far inferior to us. We got blown out by a D2 team during exhibition for fux sake, so there should be no surprises this year. Next year this crap won't happen.
 
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It's embarrassing but I expected some embarrassing loses this year so I'm not too concerned. Totally agree that this loss won't have a negative impact on recruiting...good players will see an opportunity to get immediate playing time for a Big East program. I think we read more as lacking talent than lacking coaching right now so I don't think recruits will be scared to come.
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I'm pretty much on board with this line of thinking. Yes it was a bad loss, but I expected a very rough year this year. Trying not to get too down after losses.

Also people fail to realize how much the game has changed in the past 10-20 years. There is so much more parity now. Any team can beat any other team on a given night. There is no longer the large gap between all of the D-1 teams to where you can expect blowouts over mid majors. If this loss had happened 20 years ago for St. John's I'd be more concerned.
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Sorry, but the 'any team can win on any given night' speech does not refer to the Incarnate Word basketball program. They just became a Division I basketball program two years ago. Trust me, I'm well aware that this is a depleted St. John's team. But last night's loss was inexcusable especially on your home floor. The team came out flat and with no energy, which was a shock considering they just came off a great win.
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Doody...I hate losing at all...what really burns me is fact that we lost by 22! We arent a good team, so I expect results to be mixed...but a loss of this magnitude at home to a 3-5 team that joined Division 1 3 years ago is just terrible...I was at the game and, at one point, yelled that Mullin should send a message by taking them all out of the game because this wasn't just a case of playing a superior team...they played witha sense of urgency...we did not
 
Did anyone else notice the spirited "dunk contest" the guys had in the pregame layup line? Then the game starts and no one wanted to play.
 
It's embarrassing but I expected some embarrassing loses this year so I'm not too concerned. Totally agree that this loss won't have a negative impact on recruiting...good players will see an opportunity to get immediate playing time for a Big East program. I think we read more as lacking talent than lacking coaching right now so I don't think recruits will be scared to come.
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I'm pretty much on board with this line of thinking. Yes it was a bad loss, but I expected a very rough year this year. Trying not to get too down after losses.

Also people fail to realize how much the game has changed in the past 10-20 years. There is so much more parity now. Any team can beat any other team on a given night. There is no longer the large gap between all of the D-1 teams to where you can expect blowouts over mid majors. If this loss had happened 20 years ago for St. John's I'd be more concerned.
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Sorry, but the 'any team can win on any given night' speech does not refer to the Incarnate Word basketball program. They just became a Division I basketball program two years ago. Trust me, I'm well aware that this is a depleted St. John's team. But last night's loss was inexcusable especially on your home floor. The team came out flat and with no energy, which was a shock considering they just came off a great win.
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And they were 14-10 last year against a D-1 schedule. You're acting like this team was 0-30 last year and made up of non-D1 level talent.
 
It's embarrassing but I expected some embarrassing loses this year so I'm not too concerned. Totally agree that this loss won't have a negative impact on recruiting...good players will see an opportunity to get immediate playing time for a Big East program. I think we read more as lacking talent than lacking coaching right now so I don't think recruits will be scared to come.
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I'm pretty much on board with this line of thinking. Yes it was a bad loss, but I expected a very rough year this year. Trying not to get too down after losses.

Also people fail to realize how much the game has changed in the past 10-20 years. There is so much more parity now. Any team can beat any other team on a given night. There is no longer the large gap between all of the D-1 teams to where you can expect blowouts over mid majors. If this loss had happened 20 years ago for St. John's I'd be more concerned.
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Sorry, but the 'any team can win on any given night' speech does not refer to the Incarnate Word basketball program. They just became a Division I basketball program two years ago. Trust me, I'm well aware that this is a depleted St. John's team. But last night's loss was inexcusable especially on your home floor. The team came out flat and with no energy, which was a shock considering they just came off a great win.
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And they were 14-10 last year against a D-1 schedule. You're acting like this team was 0-30 last year and made up of non-D1 level talent.
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But, we didn't just lose...we lost by 22
 
It's embarrassing but I expected some embarrassing loses this year so I'm not too concerned. Totally agree that this loss won't have a negative impact on recruiting...good players will see an opportunity to get immediate playing time for a Big East program. I think we read more as lacking talent than lacking coaching right now so I don't think recruits will be scared to come.
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I'm pretty much on board with this line of thinking. Yes it was a bad loss, but I expected a very rough year this year. Trying not to get too down after losses.

Also people fail to realize how much the game has changed in the past 10-20 years. There is so much more parity now. Any team can beat any other team on a given night. There is no longer the large gap between all of the D-1 teams to where you can expect blowouts over mid majors. If this loss had happened 20 years ago for St. John's I'd be more concerned.
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Sorry, but the 'any team can win on any given night' speech does not refer to the Incarnate Word basketball program. They just became a Division I basketball program two years ago. Trust me, I'm well aware that this is a depleted St. John's team. But last night's loss was inexcusable especially on your home floor. The team came out flat and with no energy, which was a shock considering they just came off a great win.
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Just curious, how many Incarnate games have you seen? I agree we came out flat and played poorly, no question, but we still could have lost had we played with purpose. Look at Ohio State's losses, Georgetown's losses, I am sure there are many other examples of the "no way" variety.
 
It wasn't just a loss to a team that played well. It was a beat down form a team that gave tremendous effort against a team that played like they didn't care. I have witnessed bad losses against teams that were better than us and I have witnessed upsets against teams that we were better than. This was an embarrassment. Inexcusable.
 
Carnesecca arena is turning into a house of horrors for us. The niagara game was the worst game I've ever seen and blown out by St Thomas Aquinas and Incarnate word all in a month's time. Remember when every game at Alumni Hall was a automatic W?
 
Carnesecca arena is turning into a house of horrors for us. The niagara game was the worst game I've ever seen and blown out by St Thomas Aquinas and Incarnate word all in a month's time. Remember when every game at Alumni Hall was a automatic W?
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Remember when we had s stable program and didn't have to bring in a whole new team a couple of months before the season began?
 
Carnesecca arena is turning into a house of horrors for us. The niagara game was the worst game I've ever seen and blown out by St Thomas Aquinas and Incarnate word all in a month's time. Remember when every game at Alumni Hall was a automatic W?
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Remember when we had s stable program and didn't have to bring in a whole new team a couple of months before the season began?
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No. :)
 
It wasn't just a loss to a team that played well. It was a beat down form a team that gave tremendous effort against a team that played like they didn't care. I have witnessed bad losses against teams that were better than us and I have witnessed upsets against teams that we were better than. This was an embarrassment. Inexcusable.
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You are right, let's fire the coaching staff and get new players. I mean how dare they? Inexcusable!! Tough to take as a fan? Yes, inexcusable? I don't know what that means, it happens and has happened to much better teams than we are.
 
All I can say to a lot of posters is: "What's the matter?-you never had a team you rooted for lose a game before?" They lost. Big Deal. This win didn't cost us a national ranking, or a post season bid, or anything at all. It was a good education for some young players just trying to figure the game out. Team put it all out there against Syracuse, and didn't bring it yesterday. When you don't bring it, you often lose. IW had a good game plan. We seemingly had none. Players had a poor night, staff did too. Both will grow with this loss, and others to follow. Many would have been fine with a bad loss to Syracuse and a win against IW. Not me. We beat the hated in state rival.
 
Let's see how our team responds on Sunday. Need better D & ball movement. Need more structure going forward. We do not have enough talent to free lance. Need to get Mussini the ball off screens more often.
Still have lots of faith in this staff. Go Johnnies!
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I am sorry but Mussini cannot play point and be run off screens at the same time. He is our only point option right now, just the way it is. We don't need more structure, we need players/experience for the players we have now. Just watched the Hall and I am not sure we have ONE player that would play significant minutes for them at this point in time. Down the road, definetly; right now, arguably, no.
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Don't need to run the offense with one guy at the point. He's one of our best shooters and not the only guard capable of distributing.
 
My 2 cents:

1. IW is not a bad team. If you think that IW is a bad team then you are wrong. Kenpom has IW as the #156th best team in NCAA D1. The same rating service has StJohns at #210. IW's head coach Ken Burmeister is not a rookie. Burmeister served as the head men's basketball coach at 2 previous D1 programs and qualified for the NCAA Tournament one season. Am I disappointed that StJohns lost to IW? Yep; however if you take an unbiased look, the loss is not as unexplainable as some on this site believe.

2. This season StJohns will win one or two games it should not win but lose one or two it should win. This team is short of talent and experience.

3. Thank you President Bobby G for having the courage to retain the current coaching staff that building a foundation upon which winning program will be sustained with smart recruiting.

4. Please let me offer everyone a (politically incorrect) Merry Christmas with hopes of health and happiness to my fellow Redmen.comers.
 
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