What if Obekpa doesn't smoke that joint?
Huge “What If”
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He would have smoked his spare
MugCostanza
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Serious question. If Pitino could go back in time would he go through with the Slazinski for Ledlum trade? Probably a close one but thinking this team would be better off with Slazinski's ability to space the floor and just hope Ledlum's rebounding would be made up for by somebody else
L J S A
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If he knew everything that was going to happen, I think he saves money on Luis, and Slazinski plays SF for us opposite Ledlum. We are already slow so it's not like it would kill us significantly more, plus Slazinski actually passes.
The false narrative that Posh regressed after his Freshman year keeps getting repeated here, and is simply incorrect. In fact just look at his stats, his sophomore year is statistically his best, and he improved in nearly every category from his freshman year (just didn't take the step forward as a 3 point shooter).
His junior season was absolutely frustrating, there is no debating that.
+100. Couldn’t agree more. Posh had one disappointing year with us - last year. We can debate forever what caused his decline last year and no doubt his body language during timeouts was not good at times but the idea that he only played well his freshman year is completely without basis.
guinness77
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It took me all of 30 seconds to see he had less points, assists and steals per game his junior year than his freshman year while playing more minutes per game. He had a half a rebound more. My eyes also tell me what I saw on the court.
Oh yeah, the team was the definition of mediocre. I can’t believe I have to say this again. I thank him for his time here and remember the Gillespie game fondly.
Oh yeah, the team was the definition of mediocre. I can’t believe I have to say this again. I thank him for his time here and remember the Gillespie game fondly.
guinness77
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Curious, what do you define as regressed? We just ignore the third season then?
Did you even read what I wrote? He clearly improved from his Freshman to Sophomore season. Look up the stats. His junior season obviously was a step back. But to stay he didn't improve after his Freshman season is factually incorrect.
guinness77
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….and then clearly regressed Junior year. “His junior season obviously was a step back,” there I read it.
Do we pretend that didn’t happen? I’m done with this topic. I don’t care if you think I’m the dumbest person alive. You want to romanticize his time here, then have at it.
He doesn’t do that now for Butler. I have watched their offense also being generated by the other guard and the small forward.
Posh leads Butler in assists and steals, he generates the offense not only in the half court, but on the fast break as well.
If everyone is so tired of the Posh conversation, then stop lying about what he is/isn't. He would have been a useful piece for our roster this year considering what we lack. Guinness, I don't think that is us "romanticizing his time here", I simply think it is valuing what he brings to a team, seeing our team can't do those specific things well, and acknowledging he could have been useful.
I don't know why that is so hard for people here to admit. It doesn't mean lord and savior Rick "made a mistake". Cause we see that Posh didn't take the necessary steps to stay. I'm just talking from a basketball standpoint, we really needed a guard like him, considering Rick's insistence on pressing 24/7, and our inability to slow down star guards, which has been a theme all year starting with Dug McDaniel
Jenkins leads us in assist, does that make him a true PG? Nobody is lying and you need to slow your role. Posh is what he is nothing more nothing less. He is not some tremendous upgrade who would have been the missing link on this team nor was he on prior teams. He is one guy and even counting for his defense, how much of a difference is it going to make if the other guys don’t get it. The other team will just do what they have done with Jenkins, have someone he is not guarding bring up the ball. In several games this year when our pressure is working, teams have used someone else bring it up.
People waxing poetically about what could have been if he was here is just typical for this Board. He is not here, his choice. We still would be the same can’t close out a game as we are now.
Jenkins leads the team in assists cause he has the ball a ton and is therefore "generating the offense". You were making the case Posh can't run a half court offense, something he has done at Butler under better coaching. That's the lie.
And again, you can say he wouldn't have made a difference here... agree to disagree then.
You cite teams passing it around to avoid Jenkins... that just plays into my point. Place Posh in there instead of Dingle and now you have an elite defensive player that makes our press that much more difficult to attack. But fine, I guess we will just continue to enjoy watching us press for 2 hours a night all to get 1-2 flukey steals
guinness77
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This kind of rebuttal I can get behind. We can disagree without questioning my intelligence.
I’m more in the “whatever it took to get rid of Mike Anderson” crowd than anything else. I have, and I’ve posted it in some of the other threads, really questioned why Pitino hasn’t been taken to task for A LOT of his decision making regarding who plays and what’s going on on the court.
Having said that, Posh was more of a collateral damage in terms of him leaving. His play definitely regressed last season, he was disciplined multiple times and he was the supposed to be the best defender of a horrible defense last season. But, as I’ve said multiple times, he is a former player of ours, one who definitely had some moments, so I don’t have, like, ill will towards the guy. I do wonder, if we’re playing devils advocate, how he would fit in on this team. I kinda wonder how any of them would have fit in on this team. I think a lot of crap, unfortunately, is gonna come out once the season is over.
Storr is the one I would have liked to stay the most, for the record, but what’s done is done.
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Very fair Guinness.
I don't mean to question anyone's intelligence, and I apologize if it ever feels that way, but I do get frustrated sometimes with how much this board has a tendency to completely ignore defense and how much it matters. It is difficult for me to read people write about Posh like he's not a useful college player just because of his 3ptfg%. That is the one thing that roped me into this discussion (this time). There is so much more to the game. So many more ways to impact the game
Mullins Revenge
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Posh stinks. Why do you guys keep doing this?
guinness77
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It wasn’t you I was referring to, my apologies for not clarifying.
Ray Morgan
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The reason this team has not performed to expectations is because just about every transfer has not been as productive as expected. The only one near his averages in all categories in Jenkins. The rest not even close. Plus CRP has juggled the lineup in a desperate search to find someone who can step up for more than 1 game in a row. The decline of Joel was not expected and is a big factor in the losing record.
To succeed in the Big East without the talent of a UConn or Marquette, you need hard working and tough minded players, with a lot of energy and athleticism. CRP did not find that mix, not surprising given his rush to fill the roster. Our guys look out-hustled and often times slower and less athletic than our opponents. I think only the coaching ability of CRP has kept us in many games. Only one Big East blowout was with him not on the bench. We don't have a clutch shooter, the proof being our poor performance in end game situations. A poor shooting guard coming off his worst season was not going to move the needle. WCJ perhaps would have. Maybe CRP thought he was a lock to come here. Didn't happen, so it's time to move on.
To succeed in the Big East without the talent of a UConn or Marquette, you need hard working and tough minded players, with a lot of energy and athleticism. CRP did not find that mix, not surprising given his rush to fill the roster. Our guys look out-hustled and often times slower and less athletic than our opponents. I think only the coaching ability of CRP has kept us in many games. Only one Big East blowout was with him not on the bench. We don't have a clutch shooter, the proof being our poor performance in end game situations. A poor shooting guard coming off his worst season was not going to move the needle. WCJ perhaps would have. Maybe CRP thought he was a lock to come here. Didn't happen, so it's time to move on.