Huge “What If”

“Dingle heard from a who’s-who of high-major schools following his decision to leave Penn after three seasons. That included Texas, Oregon, UCLA, Arkansas and many other powerhouse programs. He had Zoom calls with Oklahoma State and Florida State.” NY Post

It was not like SJU dove deep down in portal and took huge risk. It just did not work out. Was it the role Rick employed him in or he just never got comfortable here.? I envisioned he would be a “leader” here, but that never happened either.
Kentucky was another team recruiting him.

It simply didn't work out, and I'm sure it'll be a popular message board topic for years to come as to why. I'm not qualified to really give a singular reason but I'm sure role + CRP coaching style + playing style all factors into it.

From my recollection, he entered the portal in May. Wilcher didn't come aboard until even after that. Our backup PG was going to be Cruz Davis. We should've had someone better lined up before then.
 
At the end of the day, I blame Pitino and coaching staff more than Jenkins. They didn't have an adequate backup plan for WCJ not committing here -- which, considering his real life circumstances, should've been obviously planned for. Jenkins is playing out of position and out of role. He's being asked to carry the team based on necessity. Those three things aren't his fault. Pitino's never criticized his offensive play here, that's on the staff not correcting anything.

Dingle fell in their laps late in the process. He's been the biggest disappointment of a player we've had since I've followed the team in 2001. But perhaps we should not have been in this position to begin with. Hired in mid-March or not, this is on the staff.
All correct . In my speculative opinion , I think Clayton jr threw RP a curve ball he wasn’t expecting .

Rick thought he had both, Jenkins and Walter in the bag . They were a dynamic duo that clicked together at Iona . And , most Analysts , etc agreed they would be trouble for any BE opponent to handle .
Their skills were complimentary and they produced almost identical results individually .

What caused Clayton to go to Florida ? Who really knows .

Florida for a native Florida kid in Winter Vs
NY is a no brainer . So is being close to home .
Having a pregnant girl friend might be another .

I don’t remember Clayton saying too much about not transferring to St John’s but , it’s doubtful it was not wanting to play for RP or with Jenkins .
I agree with those who say together they would have wrecked havoc in the BE this year .

And , Clayton coming here probably meant that Dingle wouldn’t .
 
You guys always bring this back to him not going to the meeting with Pitino. None of us are even talking about that. Bringing it up is a complete strawman.

It is not about WHY he isn't here, it is about this idea that he would not have changed anything for this team. I completely disagree.

We have lost multiple nail biters to teams with standout guards. If we had an actual guard on the roster that could stick a star guard and at least make him work harder to get his baskets, who knows how many games that could have flipped.

It has nothing to do with the logistics behind Posh leaving.

It has everything to do with this mentality that shooting is the only way to be valuable on a basketball court that is stunning to me. We are in the midst of watching a backcourt that is awful defensively. We have a coach that just wants to press and be a nuisance to the other team as much as possible. and you think POSH..... a former defensive player of the year in this league, wouldn't have changed anything? Really? That's the take? I don't get it but, to each their own.
 
There is no doubt having a true point guard would allow for many good things for the team, its that jenkins doesn't deserve what marillac dishes out to him.
I’m not asking him to be a true point guard or even anything close. I’m asking him to be at least somewhat aware of his weaknesses.

He has 3x the handle of Alleyne and I prefer Alleyne to play PG for the simple fact that he won’t dribble the air out of the ball.
 
I’m not asking him to be a true point guard or even anything close. I’m asking him to be at least somewhat aware of his weaknesses.

He has 3x the handle of Alleyne and I prefer Alleyne to play PG for the simple fact that he won’t dribble the air out of the ball.
You know I'm not a big Jenkins defender. But let's be real for a second. If Pitino wasn't the coach, wouldn't you be more critical of the coach for Jenkins' lack of awareness and play style?
 
There is no doubt having a true point guard would allow for many good things for the team, its that jenkins doesn't deserve what marillac dishes out to him.
Except Posh in not a true point guard. Posh could never run a half court offense, and that's what everyone lots of people around here are complaining about.
 
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You guys always bring this back to him not going to the meeting with Pitino. None of us are even talking about that. Bringing it up is a complete strawman.

It is not about WHY he isn't here, it is about this idea that he would not have changed anything for this team. I completely disagree.

We have lost multiple nail biters to teams with standout guards. If we had an actual guard on the roster that could stick a star guard and at least make him work harder to get his baskets, who knows how many games that could have flipped.

It has nothing to do with the logistics behind Posh leaving.

It has everything to do with this mentality that shooting is the only way to be valuable on a basketball court that is stunning to me. We are in the midst of watching a backcourt that is awful defensively. We have a coach that just wants to press and be a nuisance to the other team as much as possible. and you think POSH..... a former defensive player of the year in this league, wouldn't have changed anything? Really? That's the take? I don't get it but, to each their own.
Jack , give it up . Posh is a Butler player and our opponent .
Sure , Posh was a Crowd pleaser for a good portion of his time here but , you ,, like many are forgetting he was pretty much a non contributor last year and seemed to deteriorate from his great 1st year .
You are making him out to be John Stockton or , Mark Jackson . He was neither .

And , a woeful shooter . His defense ? Over rated . He does steal the ball but , mostly against the Bigs down low as he is good at slapping the ball out of their hands .

He had a lot of trouble staying with 6 ‘3” BE guards that were faster and quicker . Your forgetting how many times they blew past him .

And , if you want to continue wishing about Guards we miss , start with Ponds . He was a impact player , Scorer , a Swiss Army knife tool of a player . Posh isn’t in that category .
 
You know I'm not a big Jenkins defender. But let's be real for a second. If Pitino wasn't the coach, wouldn't you be more critical of the coach for Jenkins' lack of awareness and play style?
Pitino is fair game here too. I sympathize though as a coach you can be too close to see the forest for the trees.

I 100% believe there was no way Clayton was playing with Jenkins again. If Jenkins went to Florida, Clayton would be here. Again, if a player is polarizing to a fanbase you can bet anything he’s that way to the players on the team as well.

There is no chance Dingle and his people like playing with Jenkins. There is no way Alleyne and Luis do either. Luis visibly shows that because he isn’t as in control of emotions as the others. At least half the roster feels the same way many of us do.
 
Pitino is fair game here too. I sympathize though as a coach you can be too close to see the forest for the trees.

I 100% believe there was no way Clayton was playing with Jenkins again. If Jenkins went to Florida, Clayton would be here. Again, of a player is polarizing to a fanbase you can bet anything he’s that way to the players on the team as well.

There is no chance Dingle and his people like playing with Jenkins. There is no way Alleyne and Luis do either. Luis visibly shows that because he isn’t as in control of emotions as the others.
That's fine, but isn't it the coach's job to make this work? Pitino's effusive praise of him in press conferences compared to literally anyone else on the team was always striking but is especially striking looking at the team's lack of confidence in themselves & each other.

Also, if Jenkins is this much of an issue on the court, wouldn't you say this is someone Pitino should not have recruited?
 
Except Posh in not a true point guard. Posh could never run a half court offense, and that's what everyone lots of people around here are complaining about.
Im just adding on a general statement about a point guard.

Now if only Jen could play with my point....I mean the point!!
 
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Except Posh in not a true point guard. Posh could never run a half court offense, and that's what everyone lots of people around here are complaining about.
We wouldn’t have to be in the half court so much. That’s half the problem with this roster playing a Pitino style…it’s meant to get easy points off breaks and secondary transition. We don’t get that.
 
That's fine, but isn't it the coach's job to make this work? Pitino's effusive praise of him in press conferences compared to literally anyone else on the team was always striking but is especially striking looking at the team's lack of confidence in themselves & each other.

Also, if Jenkins is this much of an issue on the court, wouldn't you say this is someone Pitino should not have recruited?
They were so much better than their competition last year…including Jenkins. Winning covers up a lot of blemishes keeps problems in check.

I’ve been posting for a month that Luis and Jenkins have been fighting on the court and finally the announcers saw it and mentioned it twice @ Providence. Dingle is too mature to show it but he’s feeling the same thing.
 
You guys always bring this back to him not going to the meeting with Pitino. None of us are even talking about that. Bringing it up is a complete strawman.

It is not about WHY he isn't here, it is about this idea that he would not have changed anything for this team. I completely disagree.

We have lost multiple nail biters to teams with standout guards. If we had an actual guard on the roster that could stick a star guard and at least make him work harder to get his baskets, who knows how many games that could have flipped.

It has nothing to do with the logistics behind Posh leaving.

It has everything to do with this mentality that shooting is the only way to be valuable on a basketball court that is stunning to me. We are in the midst of watching a backcourt that is awful defensively. We have a coach that just wants to press and be a nuisance to the other team as much as possible. and you think POSH..... a former defensive player of the year in this league, wouldn't have changed anything? Really? That's the take? I don't get it but, to each their own.
A fair and logical post.
 
They were so much better than their competition last year…including Jenkins. Winning covers up a lot of blemishes keeps problems in check.

I’ve been posting for a month that Luis and Jenkins have been fighting on the court and finally the announcers saw it and mentioned it twice @ Providence. Dingle is too mature to show it but he’s feeling the same thing.
But you're not answering my question. Isn't this on Pitino at the end of the day, whether it's recruiting Jenkins and/or enabling Jenkins?

*In general* if our coach was Mike Anderson with this roster, I think we would all be piling on the coach a lot more about the roster dysfunction + mismatch of roles.
 
But you're not answering my question. Isn't this on Pitino at the end of the day, whether it's recruiting Jenkins and/or enabling Jenkins?

*In general* if our coach was Mike Anderson with this roster, I think we would all be piling on the coach a lot more about the roster dysfunction + mismatch of roles.
Pitino messed up big time. Get this freaking kid off the ball. He could shoot 12-20 and we’d still lose to a good team. Nobody wants to stand around at not be involved.

I don’t think Dingle is a better point guard. I think we are a better TEAM when the ball is out of Jenkins’ hands.
 
But you're not answering my question. Isn't this on Pitino at the end of the day, whether it's recruiting Jenkins and/or enabling Jenkins?

*In general* if our coach was Mike Anderson with this roster, I think we would all be piling on the coach a lot more about the roster dysfunction + mismatch of roles.
Anderson’s first year people were excited. The board felt like he got maximum success from his roster.
 
Has more to do with his teammates
than Posh.
Nope. You didn’t know Posh is John Stockton, Magic Johnson and Dennis Rodman rolled into one? The post you quoted is what inspired my other post. Hold a candle for Ponds, Cook, Barkley or, even Jordan.
 
You guys always bring this back to him not going to the meeting with Pitino. None of us are even talking about that. Bringing it up is a complete strawman.

It is not about WHY he isn't here, it is about this idea that he would not have changed anything for this team. I completely disagree.

We have lost multiple nail biters to teams with standout guards. If we had an actual guard on the roster that could stick a star guard and at least make him work harder to get his baskets, who knows how many games that could have flipped.

It has nothing to do with the logistics behind Posh leaving.

It has everything to do with this mentality that shooting is the only way to be valuable on a basketball court that is stunning to me. We are in the midst of watching a backcourt that is awful defensively. We have a coach that just wants to press and be a nuisance to the other team as much as possible. and you think POSH..... a former defensive player of the year in this league, wouldn't have changed anything? Really? That's the take? I don't get it but, to each their own.
Uhm, did we not lose close games when he was here? I know we lost some blowouts but I am sure they were a few close games there and some blown leads.
 
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