Hire Rick Pitino!

[quote="Room112" post=277763][quote="redmannorth" post=277746]There have been many a ridiculous thread on Redmen.com but this one takes the cake. This is the dumbest and most outrageous thread of all time wrapped in one.[/quote]

What's most shocking to me on here is that some want to win so badly, they're willing to bring in a coach who they know will cheat but they don't care. Even if we end up with the death penalty. I don't even know what to say.[/quote]

Exactly, then again most of the same guys no doubt support the present Administration. ;)
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=277746]There have been many a ridiculous thread on Redmen.com but this one takes the cake. This is the dumbest and most outrageous thread of all time wrapped in one.[/quote]

We have been terrible for so long. This is someone who could immediately come on board and turn the whole thing around. Is this thread last ridiculous then people wanting to give Norm a 7th year? Steve Lavin had a serial killer on his roster, Chris Mullin recruited a repeat felon who dressed up in drag and was prostituting himself out in a florida motel. How is that even close to being as ridiclous as hiring Pitino?

But no, our moral high ground is shunning Pitino for accusations that can’t be proven at Louisville. He is adamantly denying these and being as transparent as possible to fight them. Jesus spoke of forgiveness in his last words, I say we give Rick a chance!
 
[quote="Redmen07" post=277783][quote="redmannorth" post=277746]There have been many a ridiculous thread on Redmen.com but this one takes the cake. This is the dumbest and most outrageous thread of all time wrapped in one.[/quote]

We have been terrible for so long. This is someone who could immediately come on board and turn the whole thing around. Is this thread last ridiculous then people wanting to give Norm a 7th year? Steve Lavin had a serial killer on his roster, Chris Mullin recruited a repeat felon who dressed up in drag and was prostituting himself out in a florida motel. How is that even close to being as ridiclous as hiring Pitino?

But no, our moral high ground is shunning Pitino for accusations that can’t be proven at Louisville. He is adamantly denying these and being as transparent as possible to fight them. Jesus spoke of forgiveness in his last words, I say we give Rick a chance![/quote]

No one wanted to give Norm a 7th year.
Steve Lavin did not have a serial killer on his roster and Chris Mullin did not recruit a repeat felon.
Steve Lavin recruited a very good basketball player who after he left SJU was involved in a drug deal and shot at someone. He is arrested on a charge of attempted murder.
Chris Mullin recruited a very talented player who after committing to SJU robbed a Walmart and the staff then cut bait.
I sincerely hope Rysheed and Zach get the help they need. Both legally and emotionally.
That is a far cry from the horrible behaviour of a 60 something multi millionaire well educated individual who has won national championships at 2 different schools, taken 3 schools to the Final Four and coached in the NBA. The man does not need to cheat to win but still does.
Your first post on this thread was completely ridiculous , this post is just full of shit.
 
wow we make all these lists on here, but we have a long list of SJU criminals sad to say. With this unk player, Rasheed Jordan, Jayson Williams, on and on....lots of players have been pinched over the years....hell Pitino is a choir boy, and he does love NYC. lol just saying
 
[quote="L J S A" post=277658]Disregarding all else, banging his mistress on a table at a restaurant wouldn't be a deal breaker for a Catholic university?[/quote]
louie would never let this happen.....but it would create a buzz around college hoops and no doubt have people nervous about us
 
[quote="cappy105" post=277786]wow we make all these lists on here, but we have a long list of SJU criminals sad to say. With this unk player, Rasheed Jordan, Jayson Williams, on and on....lots of players have been pinched over the years....hell Pitino is a choir boy, and he does love NYC. lol just saying[/quote]

This is exactly my point!!! Nothing is worse than having a serial killer on your team. We’ve been through the worst, now let’s win some games.
 
[quote="Redmen07" post=277789][quote="cappy105" post=277786]wow we make all these lists on here, but we have a long list of SJU criminals sad to say. With this unk player, Rasheed Jordan, Jayson Williams, on and on....lots of players have been pinched over the years....hell Pitino is a choir boy, and he does love NYC. lol just saying[/quote]

This is exactly my point!!! Nothing is worse than having a serial killer on your team. ....[/quote]
Depending on how good he is, yes?
 
Pitino is a great coach, but he comes with a price I do not believe the majority of St. John's fans would be willing to bear even if this fantasy was a remote possibility. Why take the pressure off UCONN, Arizona and the other usual suspects. Pitino is the very last thing we need. Let's concentrate on winning next year with our current staff and if that doesn't work out at some point bringing in new talent, not recycled severely damaged goods.
 
[quote="Redmen07" post=277785]Ahhh the Tampa bay serial killer was on Lavins team.

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Do you really want a coach who smells his finger after a night at an Italian restaurant?

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[quote="Redmen07" post=277643]Let Phil Mushnick and Mike Vaccaro write what they want, we need a proven Coach who wins! Not another GM, or recruiter, or former legend with no HC experience. Rick Pitino is no saint, but right now nothing can be proven about his knowledge of the Louisville scandal and he is adamant about his innocence. He's offering phone recordings to programs and willing to answer questions. He is a catholic and this is a catholic school, forgiveness is paramount. Anything outside of the hookers and knowledge of players payment can be argued forgivable.

It's clear the current staff is in over its head. The 2018 class that was supposed to be huge is very disappointing at best, and no high school kids are coming anymore, although were having success with football players. Greg St. Jean is worse than Norm at X's and O's, Mitch Richmond does nothing, while Mullin has a huge ego (except about his winning percentage apparently).

This program has gone down the drain and needs a major change. Syracuse has been mediocre yet still been to the sweet 16 two of three years, while SJU come next season will have not made our conference tournament semi-finals in 19 years(since 2000)! Again Rick Pitino is not a white knight, but if we listen to his side of the story, consider the recordings he offers, and set an expected precedence for conduct. He can deliver! Can you imagine – No shot clock violations out of a timeout, McDonalds All Americans committing, BE tournament Friday night appearances, and gasp Final Fours!!! BRING IN RICK![/quote]

NO TO THAT CHEATING POS. Hiring him would put the University to shame.
I'd rather Chris hiring Nelson for a year, and school him in coaching. I know he'll be 78 in May, but it'd only be for a year. Maybe come to SJU for 1 or 2 practices a week, and sit behind the bench at the games.
$700,000 to lore him? He'd be like the veteran assistant.
 
[quote="Redmen07" post=277783][quote="redmannorth" post=277746]There have been many a ridiculous thread on Redmen.com but this one takes the cake. This is the dumbest and most outrageous thread of all time wrapped in one.[/quote]

We have been terrible for so long. This is someone who could immediately come on board and turn the whole thing around. Is this thread last ridiculous then people wanting to give Norm a 7th year? Steve Lavin had a serial killer on his roster, Chris Mullin recruited a repeat felon who dressed up in drag and was prostituting himself out in a florida motel. How is that even close to being as ridiclous as hiring Pitino?

But no, our moral high ground is shunning Pitino for accusations that can’t be proven at Louisville. He is adamantly denying these and being as transparent as possible to fight them. Jesus spoke of forgiveness in his last words, I say we give Rick a chance![/quote]

First, we've only been terrible for three seasons, and Mullin's second season showed radical improvement. Last season there were rays of sunlight in an otherwise poor season record-wise.

Just to be theologically correct, you have to ask for forgiveness to be forgiven.

There is a discussion of who committed the greater affront, Peter's denial or Judas' betrayal. At best both were equal offenses, and some say Peter's three times denial was worse. Both nearly immediately realized they were wrong. Peter, though was able to confront the resurrected Jesus, and reconcile (John 21:15). Judas however, rather than admit his sin and seek reconciliation, chose to kill himself.

It's lent, so a little bible study here.

I'm all for guys like Pitino, Peter Rose, and others who commit transgressions to own up to them, bear the consequences, and reconcile with the public and perhaps be somewhat restored. Neither Pitino, nor Rose have done that, and as such don't deserve any such forgiveness since they won't fully own up to their transgressions.

Pass.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=277830][quote="Redmen07" post=277783][quote="redmannorth" post=277746]There have been many a ridiculous thread on Redmen.com but this one takes the cake. This is the dumbest and most outrageous thread of all time wrapped in one.[/quote]

We have been terrible for so long. This is someone who could immediately come on board and turn the whole thing around. Is this thread last ridiculous then people wanting to give Norm a 7th year? Steve Lavin had a serial killer on his roster, Chris Mullin recruited a repeat felon who dressed up in drag and was prostituting himself out in a florida motel. How is that even close to being as ridiclous as hiring Pitino?

But no, our moral high ground is shunning Pitino for accusations that can’t be proven at Louisville. He is adamantly denying these and being as transparent as possible to fight them. Jesus spoke of forgiveness in his last words, I say we give Rick a chance![/quote]

First, we've only been terrible for three seasons, and Mullin's second season showed radical improvement. Last season there were rays of sunlight in an otherwise poor season record-wise.

Just to be theologically correct, you have to ask for forgiveness to be forgiven.

There is a discussion of who committed the greater affront, Peter's denial or Judas' betrayal. At best both were equal offenses, and some say Peter's three times denial was worse. Both nearly immediately realized they were wrong. Peter, though was able to confront the resurrected Jesus, and reconcile (John 21:15). Judas however, rather than admit his sin and seek reconciliation, chose to kill himself.

It's lent, so a little bible study here.

I'm all for guys like Pitino, Peter Rose, and others who commit transgressions to own up to them, bear the consequences, and reconcile with the public and perhaps be somewhat restored. Neither Pitino, nor Rose have done that, and as such don't deserve any such forgiveness since they won't fully own up to their transgressions.

Pass.[/quote]

Yea. Let Pitino repent by donating the money that he made while at Louisville to charity.

Judis' betrayal far worse, then Peter's cowardice.
 
[quote="Knight" post=277838][quote="Beast of the East" post=277830][quote="Redmen07" post=277783][quote="redmannorth" post=277746]There have been many a ridiculous thread on Redmen.com but this one takes the cake. This is the dumbest and most outrageous thread of all time wrapped in one.[/quote]

We have been terrible for so long. This is someone who could immediately come on board and turn the whole thing around. Is this thread last ridiculous then people wanting to give Norm a 7th year? Steve Lavin had a serial killer on his roster, Chris Mullin recruited a repeat felon who dressed up in drag and was prostituting himself out in a florida motel. How is that even close to being as ridiclous as hiring Pitino?

But no, our moral high ground is shunning Pitino for accusations that can’t be proven at Louisville. He is adamantly denying these and being as transparent as possible to fight them. Jesus spoke of forgiveness in his last words, I say we give Rick a chance![/quote]

First, we've only been terrible for three seasons, and Mullin's second season showed radical improvement. Last season there were rays of sunlight in an otherwise poor season record-wise.

Just to be theologically correct, you have to ask for forgiveness to be forgiven.

There is a discussion of who committed the greater affront, Peter's denial or Judas' betrayal. At best both were equal offenses, and some say Peter's three times denial was worse. Both nearly immediately realized they were wrong. Peter, though was able to confront the resurrected Jesus, and reconcile (John 21:15). Judas however, rather than admit his sin and seek reconciliation, chose to kill himself.

It's lent, so a little bible study here.

I'm all for guys like Pitino, Peter Rose, and others who commit transgressions to own up to them, bear the consequences, and reconcile with the public and perhaps be somewhat restored. Neither Pitino, nor Rose have done that, and as such don't deserve any such forgiveness since they won't fully own up to their transgressions.

Pass.[/quote]

Yea. Let Pitino repent by donating the money that he made while at Louisville to charity.

Judis' betrayal far worse, then Peter's cowardice.[/quote]

That's one opinion, but both were serious and forgivable. The only unforgivable sin is heresy.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=277840]

That's one opinion, but both were serious and forgivable. The only unforgivable sin is heresy.[/quote]

Interesting and to continue in the goal of the most ridiculous thread of all time (I'd say there is a long way to go to achieve that status) the "unforgivable sin" is not heresy since there are plenty of heretics who are even canonized saints even an anti-Pope who is a canonized saint and that is pretty heretical... The unforgivable sin is the sin against the Holy Spirit. Some theologians equate this with final un-repentance.
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=277842][quote="Beast of the East" post=277840]

That's one opinion, but both were serious and forgivable. The only unforgivable sin is heresy.[/quote]

Interesting and to continue in the goal of the most ridiculous thread of all time (I'd say there is a long way to go to achieve that status) the "unforgivable sin" is not heresy since there are plenty of heretics who are even canonized saints even an anti-Pope who is a canonized saint and that is pretty heretical... The unforgivable sin is the sin against the Holy Spirit. Some theologians equate this with final un-repentance.[/quote]

Of course you are right. I meant to type blasphemy and was distracted, but the full answer is blasphemy against the holy spirit.

In the wake of a crappy season, almost all of the threads are nonsense, unless you follow the recruiting threads. I have little interest in them because I don't care about anyone until they get here.
 
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Guys, let's keep theology in perspective here. The issues are "did Pitino do her under or on the table" and "did he smell his finger afterwards". The way things are going in Jamaica we may need a recruiting miracle to plug the dam. We are all praying for that miracle. But you know what Saint James Morrison said about prayer. .......


 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=277844]
Of course you are right. I meant to type blasphemy and was distracted, but the full answer is blasphemy against the holy spirit.

In the wake of a crappy season, almost all of the threads are nonsense, unless you follow the recruiting threads. I have little interest in them because I don't care about anyone until they get here.[/quote]

at least now all of the heretics on redmen.com can rest a little easier but all those suffering from scrupulosity may be having some serious anxiety.

We can all agree however, that obviously Rick Pitino is a big time sinner. He's also a great recruiter and coach. The only reason that I don't go out on a limb and say that he would NEVER be coach at St. John's is because I said that Trump (also a big time sinner) would never be President so I've learned my lesson. Both of these guys are probably heretics too. ;) I forgive them both. But I think we are about to have a great season. Yeah I know "heard it before" but I like our guys coming back and they are seriously battle tested. The guys that actually know how good our staff is (players like Clark who also played for Izzo) love our staff.
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=277850][quote="Beast of the East" post=277844]
Of course you are right. I meant to type blasphemy and was distracted, but the full answer is blasphemy against the holy spirit.

In the wake of a crappy season, almost all of the threads are nonsense, unless you follow the recruiting threads. I have little interest in them because I don't care about anyone until they get here.[/quote]

at least now all of the heretics on redmen.com can rest a little easier but all those suffering from scrupulosity may be having some serious anxiety.

We can all agree however, that obviously Rick Pitino is a big time sinner. He's also a great recruiter and coach. The only reason that I don't go out on a limb and say that he would NEVER be coach at St. John's is because I said that Trump (also a big time sinner) would never be President so I've learned my lesson. Both of these guys are probably heretics too. ;) I forgive them both. But I think we are about to have a great season. Yeah I know "heard it before" but I like our guys coming back and they are seriously battle tested. The guys that actually know how good our staff is (players like Clark who also played for Izzo) love our staff.[/quote]

I also like our guys coming back who are seriously battle tested IF, and only if, they include Shamorie Ponds. If the guys coming back ONLY include Justin Simon and Clark we are seriously SCREWED! TO DATE, we have no impact freshmen or grad transfer. Love the staff all you want but going into year four with those possibilities is alarming.
Obviously this staff is not going anywhere after this season but should they (whomever they are) fail to land their long recruited targets next season they are gone unless they show something in the NCAA Tournament.

May I add that the composition of this staff has been a experiment by the administration. Thus far it has been a cumulative $10 million experiment that has yielded very little regardless of what previous coach is used as a barometer. Fans who have used the ancient history of Mike Zwrewasinki or John Wooden or Jimmy Durante, etc. are deluding themselves.
 
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