Hire Mike Rice
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beast of the east
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Non performance? Very difficult to prove - did he show up at practices and games? Did he hit the recruiting trail when asked to do so. Poor results aren't typically termination with cause. If it can be proven he was insubordinate with a paper trail that may be a reason to TWC. All in all SJU can continue to pay him, or just negotiate a lump sum buyout, which is probably what Cal is talking about.
The closer to the full amount SJU pays, the more they will want an expended payment schedule.
Meanwhile, Slice gets paid almost $42K per month, so he can be in no rush
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I'm guessing it would be the price of the buyout. Slice is in year 2 of a 5 year contract. SJU likely would offer or has offered 1 year severance. Slice probably would easily give up 1 year to get paid in a lump sum. Artful negotiation requires skill and I expect that if both sides give a little it can be resolved. My guess, since Slice holds the cards, is SJU pays him all but 1.5 to 2 years.
redfan259999888
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So he only work here for 1 year, out of the 5 year contract. I'd say a good deal for him.
So why not just keep him on the bench, I mean yeah Richmond is a hof'er, but what is he doing?
That is crazy. A 5 year contract but just worked 1 year of it.
It's the way it goes at SJU.
In an effort to get us back on topic.
Wikileaks just released this transcript:
Bobby G: “Ah, Mike…Did you see the game last night? About that interview, I think we are fine for this season. Please call me after the DePaul game…. We’ll talk... Happy Holidays"
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Wikileaks just released this transcript:
Bobby G: “Ah, Mike…Did you see the game last night? About that interview, I think we are fine for this season. Please call me after the DePaul game…. We’ll talk... Happy Holidays"
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Federico Mussini would thrive under Mike Rice. Malik Ellison not so much.
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I am a convert. I was one of the biggest Rice detractors. He always knew how to coach. Never took that away from him.
But I vehemently disliked his crazy antics on the sidelines while he was coach at Rutgers. He was a madman.
But he served his penance, and he received help. As someone who knows all too well how abuses and personality disorders can ravage the soul, getting therapy and then following through on that therapy is imperative.
And when one of our own, D'Angelo Harrison, who had his own demons, speaks highly about Rice, even better. Bring him in. Rice would run here to be on Mullin's staff.
But I vehemently disliked his crazy antics on the sidelines while he was coach at Rutgers. He was a madman.
But he served his penance, and he received help. As someone who knows all too well how abuses and personality disorders can ravage the soul, getting therapy and then following through on that therapy is imperative.
And when one of our own, D'Angelo Harrison, who had his own demons, speaks highly about Rice, even better. Bring him in. Rice would run here to be on Mullin's staff.
Not "getting" the let's hire Mike Rice movement. However knowledgeable Rice might be, is adding a former Division I HC -- and volatile one at that -- to CM's staff a good idea, especially after the ill-fated (and costly) ego-driven Mullin/Slice split. Given their personalities, seems to me that hiring Rice would be a potential disaster. And as a recruiter, no doubt his reputation would precede him. Would you want your kid to commit to a guy who's widely perceived as both both physically and psychologically abusive? I don't think so. I'm all for second chances, and I think Rice deserves one and knows the game better than most -- but would prefer that that he proves he's changed at another Division 1 program.
Parents already letting their kids play for Rice and they are even younger than college kids. Plus he would be an assistant and Mullin would be there to oversee and it seems Chris has not even raised his voice to a player in the two years he has been coaching.
RedStormRising
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The main difference between Rice and Slice was that Rice at least had some success as a HC. I can almost forgive his 3 below average years at Rutgers because Rutgers is terrible.
I tend to agree with you in that I don't get it but not so much on the potential Mullin conflict (I don't buy into that common mythology about why Slice was fired) but rather for the other reasons you mentioned. Talk about recruiting fodder. So how long until we are in a recruiting battle and the video comes out? Seems like the answer is: first time and every time after that one way or another.
MY point that we recruited too many Div 2 or 3 players thus causing our many lopsided loses Our recruiting , outside of 3 players would be benches players on most BE teams Also our coaching this yr and last need much improvement for us to compete at the top of the league That may seem harsh but seems to me at this point really only Ponds is very special Marcus need still to develop his game ,Amed can become special with patience,better shot selection We were hurt it seem many games with our Guard size smaller guards defending top big guards on the def end But have to say when we were playing like a team ,creating and hitting shots we were there Freunberg is a mystery Can not figure that situation out
He seems he should be a very good player has a good shot,def needs to prove etc but why would we recruit him? Also seeing such little time his chance of improving was handicapped I know some of this opinion may seem harsh but just hoping we see much improvement Maybe we can put it all together next yr I know stars could not mean much but a few 5* players could possibly turns us around
What gets lost in all the shuffle with the Rice stint at Rutgers is the lack of complaints by the players who played for him, the ones who who were supposedly "abused." I won't discuss opinions on this because I perfectly well understand his behavior is totally unacceptable in today's world. I am not sure that makes for a better world though. Life's best lessons are learned by dealing with adversity and understanding life isn't fair or always easy. However, I come from a completely different generation, one where you stood your ground and fought, not run to "Mommy".
I don't think we're talking about the same thing. I respect discipline and "manning up" (probably not PC to even use that term any more) but you are not teaching discipline when you yourself are not disciplined. It is one thing to be passionate and intense and another to be an out of control lunatic. I had a coach grab one of my teammates by the hair and drag him out of the gym by his hair. (way) Back then I thought - what an A-hole. I still think that, but don't feel the same way about other coaches who did things that would not be acceptable today. Even if you get past the beaning players with balls and grabbing and shoving them. A grown man in a leadership position over young people and representing a large, public, educational institution in one of its most prominent roles, using homophobic slurs in the 21st century is not in control of himself. I've got nothing against the guy but even if he's permanently past all that, I still don't get the desire to hire him.