Heron Officially Cleared Per SJU Press release

NCAA denies waiver to Oregon St. transfer. I wonder what their reasoning was.

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Source: The NCAA has denied Oregon State's Payton Dastrup's waiver for immediate eligibility.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=298921]NCAA denies waiver to Oregon St. transfer. I wonder what their reasoning was.

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Source: The NCAA has denied Oregon State's Payton Dastrup's waiver for immediate eligibility.[/quote]

He's from Mesa, Ariz,, so he certainly wasn't using the closer-to-home-because-of-illness angle.
 
Goodman updated his transfer list to include Heron;

4) Mustapha Heron, St. John’s (Auburn)

He got a waiver recently, so he doesn’t have to sit out this season. Heron is a wing scorer who should team with Shamorie Ponds to get the Johnnies back to the NCAA tourney. He averaged 16.4 points and 5.3 boards last season for Bruce Pearl and the Tigers.
 
Yes, a tough outing recently, but;

Rothstein;
Mustapha Heron through St. John's first five games: 17.8 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 48.4% from the field, 50% from 3-point range. Is there a less talked about star in college basketball? #SJUBB
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=304895]Yes, a tough outing recently, but;

Rothstein;
Mustapha Heron through St. John's first five games: 17.8 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 48.4% from the field, 50% from 3-point range. Is there a less talked about star in college basketball? #SJUBB[/quote]
I am not sure I agree with Rothstein. Many here, including myself think this guy might be the best player on this team and that is saying a lot since I appreciate Shamorie Ponds. This has been talked about on this board. I think Mustapha has put up the numbers mentioned and I don't even think he is completely comfortable yet. The more he plays with this group the better he will get. We are lucky to have him.
 
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[quote="sjc88" post=304912][quote="Paultzman" post=304895]Yes, a tough outing recently, but;

Rothstein;
Mustapha Heron through St. John's first five games: 17.8 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 48.4% from the field, 50% from 3-point range. Is there a less talked about star in college basketball? #SJUBB[/quote]
I am not sure I agree with Rothstein. Many here, including myself think this guy might be the best player on this team and that is saying a lot since I appreciate Shamorie Ponds. This has been talked about on this board. I think Mustapha has put up the numbers mentioned and I don't even think he is completely comfortable yet. The more he plays with this group the better he will get. We are lucky to have him.[/quote]

I really think Heron has big time presence on the floor. he takes the ball to the hole with authority, a combination of strength, quickness, and agility. Clearly a superior athlete at his size. However, I wouldn't get too worked up about numbers against largely inferior competition. We will get a good sense in about a month when the league schedule challenges you every night.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=304914][quote="sjc88" post=304912][quote="Paultzman" post=304895]Yes, a tough outing recently, but;

Rothstein;
Mustapha Heron through St. John's first five games: 17.8 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 48.4% from the field, 50% from 3-point range. Is there a less talked about star in college basketball? #SJUBB[/quote]
I am not sure I agree with Rothstein. Many here, including myself think this guy might be the best player on this team and that is saying a lot since I appreciate Shamorie Ponds. This has been talked about on this board. I think Mustapha has put up the numbers mentioned and I don't even think he is completely comfortable yet. The more he plays with this group the better he will get. We are lucky to have him.[/quote]

I really think Heron has big time presence on the floor. he takes the ball to the hole with authority, a combination of strength, quickness, and agility. Clearly a superior athlete at his size. However, I wouldn't get too worked up about numbers against largely inferior competition. We will get a good sense in about a month when the league schedule challenges you every night.[/quote]
Don't forget he has proven himself (already) in big time college basketball averaging 16ppg and 5.3reb 80%FT shooter in the SEC I think we already have ample evidence against some pretty good competition.
 
I like Heron. A lot. But he is clearly Robin on this team.
This fan base is notoriously very hard on its best player and Head coach.
Coaches sometimes deserve it. Best player seldom does.
Meanwhile the same fan base loves coaches of every other team especially if they are from Jersey. This even includes a HS coach for some reason. Also has bizarre borderline unhealthy infatuation with whoever our 9th and 10th men are.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=304917][quote="Beast of the East" post=304914][quote="sjc88" post=304912][quote="Paultzman" post=304895]Yes, a tough outing recently, but;

Rothstein;
Mustapha Heron through St. John's first five games: 17.8 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 48.4% from the field, 50% from 3-point range. Is there a less talked about star in college basketball? #SJUBB[/quote]
I am not sure I agree with Rothstein. Many here, including myself think this guy might be the best player on this team and that is saying a lot since I appreciate Shamorie Ponds. This has been talked about on this board. I think Mustapha has put up the numbers mentioned and I don't even think he is completely comfortable yet. The more he plays with this group the better he will get. We are lucky to have him.[/quote]

I really think Heron has big time presence on the floor. he takes the ball to the hole with authority, a combination of strength, quickness, and agility. Clearly a superior athlete at his size. However, I wouldn't get too worked up about numbers against largely inferior competition. We will get a good sense in about a month when the league schedule challenges you every night.[/quote]
Don't forget he has proven himself (already) in big time college basketball averaging 16ppg and 5.3reb 80%FT shooter in the SEC I think we already have ample evidence against some pretty good competition.[/quote]

Very true, but I don't think many of us have seen him play live. I just wouldn't go by numbers against weak competition
 
It is clear to most posters who the main guy is, despite comments about imperfections. That said we may have two “Robins” in Heron & Figgy.

Love Marv, but shooting less threes & giving some of those to core three perimeter guys may be wise. Of course I am not suggesting getting three happy, just looking at the distribution. Both Figgy & Heron look very smooth on perimiter when open in rythmn of game. Lord knows SJU will see a lot of zones.
 
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[quote="sjc88" post=304917][quote="Beast of the East" post=304914][quote="sjc88" post=304912][quote="Paultzman" post=304895]Yes, a tough outing recently, but;

Rothstein;
Mustapha Heron through St. John's first five games: 17.8 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 48.4% from the field, 50% from 3-point range. Is there a less talked about star in college basketball? #SJUBB[/quote]
I am not sure I agree with Rothstein. Many here, including myself think this guy might be the best player on this team and that is saying a lot since I appreciate Shamorie Ponds. This has been talked about on this board. I think Mustapha has put up the numbers mentioned and I don't even think he is completely comfortable yet. The more he plays with this group the better he will get. We are lucky to have him.[/quote]

I really think Heron has big time presence on the floor. he takes the ball to the hole with authority, a combination of strength, quickness, and agility. Clearly a superior athlete at his size. However, I wouldn't get too worked up about numbers against largely inferior competition. We will get a good sense in about a month when the league schedule challenges you every night.[/quote]
Don't forget he has proven himself (already) in big time college basketball averaging 16ppg and 5.3reb 80%FT shooter in the SEC I think we already have ample evidence against some pretty good competition.[/quote]



If players were stocks, I would have MJ Maher invest what little money I have in LJ Figueroa. I personally believe that he has the best future long term.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=304917][quote="Beast of the East" post=304914][quote="sjc88" post=304912][quote="Paultzman" post=304895]Yes, a tough outing recently, but;

Rothstein;
Mustapha Heron through St. John's first five games: 17.8 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 48.4% from the field, 50% from 3-point range. Is there a less talked about star in college basketball? #SJUBB[/quote]
I am not sure I agree with Rothstein. Many here, including myself think this guy might be the best player on this team and that is saying a lot since I appreciate Shamorie Ponds. This has been talked about on this board. I think Mustapha has put up the numbers mentioned and I don't even think he is completely comfortable yet. The more he plays with this group the better he will get. We are lucky to have him.[/quote]

I really think Heron has big time presence on the floor. he takes the ball to the hole with authority, a combination of strength, quickness, and agility. Clearly a superior athlete at his size. However, I wouldn't get too worked up about numbers against largely inferior competition. We will get a good sense in about a month when the league schedule challenges you every night.[/quote]
Don't forget he has proven himself (already) in big time college basketball averaging 16ppg and 5.3reb 80%FT shooter in the SEC I think we already have ample evidence against some pretty good competition.[/quote]

He certainly did & to suggest he has to show more v better competition seems a reach, considering his first two years of solid SEC play.
[URL][URL]https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/mustapha-heron-1.html[/URL][/URL]
 
[quote="panther2" post=304924][quote="sjc88" post=304917][quote="Beast of the East" post=304914][quote="sjc88" post=304912][quote="Paultzman" post=304895]Yes, a tough outing recently, but;

Rothstein;
Mustapha Heron through St. John's first five games: 17.8 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 48.4% from the field, 50% from 3-point range. Is there a less talked about star in college basketball? #SJUBB[/quote]
I am not sure I agree with Rothstein. Many here, including myself think this guy might be the best player on this team and that is saying a lot since I appreciate Shamorie Ponds. This has been talked about on this board. I think Mustapha has put up the numbers mentioned and I don't even think he is completely comfortable yet. The more he plays with this group the better he will get. We are lucky to have him.[/quote]

I really think Heron has big time presence on the floor. he takes the ball to the hole with authority, a combination of strength, quickness, and agility. Clearly a superior athlete at his size. However, I wouldn't get too worked up about numbers against largely inferior competition. We will get a good sense in about a month when the league schedule challenges you every night.[/quote]
Don't forget he has proven himself (already) in big time college basketball averaging 16ppg and 5.3reb 80%FT shooter in the SEC I think we already have ample evidence against some pretty good competition.[/quote]



If players were stocks, I would have MJ Maher invest what little money I have in LJ Figueroa. I personally believe that he has the best future long term.[/quote]

I'm starting to believe you two are related.

I'm really not concerned as to who is 1 or 1A or 2. Or if Simon is more valuable than any one them on this team.

To this day I have a hard time figuring out if it was Fraizer, or Monroe, or Reed, or DeBusshere, or even if was Bradley simply making sure he fit in since he was no longer the man. All that mattered was the open man, and on any given night or in any given situation, any could come up big. That would be my dream of perfection for this undersized team.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=304922]It is clear to most posters who the main guy is, despite comments about imperfections. That said we may have two “Robins” in Heron & Figgy.

Love Marv, but shooting less threes & giving some of those to core three perimeter guys may be wise. Of course I am not suggesting getting three happy, just looking at the distribution. Both Figgy & Heron look very smooth on perimiter when open in rythmn of game. Lord knows SJU will see a lot of zones.[/quote]

The two biggest reasons we have not looked better than our 5-0 record would indicate are:
1. Perimeter defense. Prior to the season while most on here were fretting about our interior D and rebounding yours truly mentioned how terrible we were at closing out on shooters last year. That has now only gotten worse with addition of Dixon. Now when we play bigger, better teams the interior D and rebounding will probably become an issue but for now perimeter D needs to get better.

2. Marvin Clark. He is not playing against skilled bigs at this point so for him not to consistently grab 5 or 6 boards is unacceptable. The reason for this is he is simply 3 point happy. Tough to get boards when you only hang out 23 feet from basket. Now he has a nice stroke and he will start hitting them, but the three should be a complimentary piece to his game, not the only thing he does. I thought we were getting Lamont Middleton or Anthony Glover but so far this year he has more closely resembled Sergio Luyk. One other disturbing Clark trait is his unbelievable ability to miss layups. At this point he makes Lamont Hamilton who had his own layup issues seem like Wilt Chamberlain around the basket.
 
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[quote="we are sju" post=304930][quote="Paultzman" post=304922]It is clear to most posters who the main guy is, despite comments about imperfections. That said we may have two “Robins” in Heron & Figgy.

Love Marv, but shooting less threes & giving some of those to core three perimeter guys may be wise. Of course I am not suggesting getting three happy, just looking at the distribution. Both Figgy & Heron look very smooth on perimiter when open in rythmn of game. Lord knows SJU will see a lot of zones.[/quote]

The two biggest reasons we have not looked better than our 5-0 record would indicate are:
1. Perimeter defense. Prior to the season while most on here were fretting about our interior D and rebounding yours truly mentioned how terrible we were at closing out on shooters last year. That has now only gotten worse with addition of Dixon. Now when we play bigger, better teams the interior D and rebounding will probably become an issue but for now perimeter D needs to get better.

2. Marvin Clark. He is not playing against skilled bigs at this point so for him not to consistently grab 5 or 6 boards is unacceptable. The reason for this is he is simply 3 point happy. Tough to get boards when you only hang out 23 feet from basket. Now he has a nice stroke and he will start hitting them, but the three should be a complimentary piece to his game, not the only thing he does. I thought we were getting Lamont Middleton or Anthony Glover but so far this year he has more closely resembled Sergio Luyk. One other disturbing Clark trait is his unbelievable ability to miss layups. At this point he makes Lamont Hamilton who had his own layup issues seem like Wilt Chamberlain around the basket.[/quote]

Its still not really impressive but I do think clark is rebounding better this year. Figgy, Heron, and Simon are all way above average rebounders for their size so they take a bunch from him. I will say him shooting 3s should have little impact on his overall rebounding numbers. Good offensive rebounders might get 2 a game. If his one focus was to keep their biggest guy off the boards that would be ideal.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=304937]
Its still not really impressive but I do think clark is rebounding better this year. Figgy, Heron, and Simon are all way above average rebounders for their size so they take a bunch from him. I will say him shooting 3s should have little impact on his overall rebounding numbers. Good offensive rebounders might get 2 a game. If his one focus was to keep their biggest guy off the boards that would be ideal.[/quote]

I agree. You can see that Clark is making more effort to rebound. He's had a few really nice authoritative rips. But the 4 other guys on the court with him are all better leapers and more athletic. Actually those four guys are pretty much freakish. Simon is another level and Fig is just behind him. Ponds and Heron are both deceptively athletic. Looking at Heron you almost think he's flat footed then he does something fantastic. He's a speak softly carry a big stick guy. Ponds is just a total enigma. He looks small and not very physically defined but everything he does is surprisingly elevated.

Clark is also making a lot more effort to get off the 3 pt line but his best game will be doing both not either/or. I think his 3pt shooting is down because of this. He's becoming a more complete player but he has a lot more to think about. If he keeps it up I think we'll see the benefits later in the season.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=304937][quote="we are sju" post=304930][quote="Paultzman" post=304922]It is clear to most posters who the main guy is, despite comments about imperfections. That said we may have two “Robins” in Heron & Figgy.

Love Marv, but shooting less threes & giving some of those to core three perimeter guys may be wise. Of course I am not suggesting getting three happy, just looking at the distribution. Both Figgy & Heron look very smooth on perimiter when open in rythmn of game. Lord knows SJU will see a lot of zones.[/quote]

The two biggest reasons we have not looked better than our 5-0 record would indicate are:
1. Perimeter defense. Prior to the season while most on here were fretting about our interior D and rebounding yours truly mentioned how terrible we were at closing out on shooters last year. That has now only gotten worse with addition of Dixon. Now when we play bigger, better teams the interior D and rebounding will probably become an issue but for now perimeter D needs to get better.

2. Marvin Clark. He is not playing against skilled bigs at this point so for him not to consistently grab 5 or 6 boards is unacceptable. The reason for this is he is simply 3 point happy. Tough to get boards when you only hang out 23 feet from basket. Now he has a nice stroke and he will start hitting them, but the three should be a complimentary piece to his game, not the only thing he does. I thought we were getting Lamont Middleton or Anthony Glover but so far this year he has more closely resembled Sergio Luyk. One other disturbing Clark trait is his unbelievable ability to miss layups. At this point he makes Lamont Hamilton who had his own layup issues seem like Wilt Chamberlain around the basket.[/quote]

Its still not really impressive but I do think clark is rebounding better this year. Figgy, Heron, and Simon are all way above average rebounders for their size so they take a bunch from him. I will say him shooting 3s should have little impact on his overall rebounding numbers. Good offensive rebounders might get 2 a game. If his one focus was to keep their biggest guy off the boards that would be ideal.[/quote]

Agree with the offensive board part but it seems to be his mindset that he is Klay Thompson right now. Needs to rebound better and if he is having problems finishing now what is going to happen when we step up in comp?
He throws up too many spinning layups. Only goes up strong when he thinks he can get a dunk off.
He should be blue collar guy that can hit the three.
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=304938][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=304937]
Its still not really impressive but I do think clark is rebounding better this year. Figgy, Heron, and Simon are all way above average rebounders for their size so they take a bunch from him. I will say him shooting 3s should have little impact on his overall rebounding numbers. Good offensive rebounders might get 2 a game. If his one focus was to keep their biggest guy off the boards that would be ideal.[/quote]


Clark has taken 2nd most 3's on team and third most shots.
Clark is shooting 29% from three and incredibly 29% overall.
Ponds, Heron, LJ, Simon and Dixon meanwhile are all shooting between 48% to 57%.
Basically there are at least 3 better options so it is actually inexcusable for Clark to keep firing away when he is not hitting.
 
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