Harvard, Sat., Nov. 30, 5p, Peacock

RedStormNC said:
I get what you are saying but he has little else to offer on offense. He doesn't take ball up, doesn't dribble, doesn't take it up under glass. Just an occasional cut & layup besides the 3's that he's streaky on game to game.

He limits our offense if he can't keep defense honest.
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He doesn’t remotely limit the offense, first, he moves without the ball and properly and quickly keeps the ball moving and second, please tell me the game where a team didn’t cover him, leaving him wide open because they were playing 5 in 4, never happened.
Again it is a team game and players can seriously contribute in ways that do not show in a box score.
 
I think once you ease the expectations of Brady as a knockdown shooter, you can appreciate a lot more of his game. Other teams respect him and he does provide spacing. Maybe that won't happen in the BE season but time will tell.

Pitino's also playing him appropriate minutes in our big games: 7 against New Mexico, 12 against Baylor, 13 against Georgia. He hasn't hurt us, but it would be nice if he shot better than 2-9 in those games.
 
paultzman said:
Rick after Lawman Fan delivered a bottle of vodka to him 😇

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Well it was probably Kadary and after that Luis (although he failed to close out on three consecutive 3 pointers in the second half and then did something else stupid after that but overall he was an excellent contributor).

But Brady as he often is was the sparkplug who made hustle plays and timely contributions that lead to winning basketball. I just wish he hit more shots, he is in a slump lately and he needs to see the ball go in for his confidence.

He is one of the players who looked uncharacteristically unhappy yesterday. Ejafor and Wilcher also very atypically reacted poorly to Pitino pulling them out of the game at different points.

Hopefully a week of practice and team building creates some positive vibes going into the next game
 
lawmanfan said:
Well it was probably Kadary and after that Luis (although he failed to close out on three consecutive 3 pointers in the second half and then did something else stupid after that but overall he was an excellent contributor).

But Brady as he often is was the sparkplug who made hustle plays and timely contributions that lead to winning basketball. I just wish he hit more shots, he is in a slump lately and he needs to see the ball go in for his confidence.

He is one of the players who looked uncharacteristically unhappy yesterday. Ejafor and Wilcher also very atypically reacted poorly to Pitino pulling them out of the game at different points.

Hopefully a week of practice and team building creates some positive vibes going into the next game
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Sim's looked frustrated all year when taken out. But its unclear if hes frustrated at himself or the coach
 
dk423 said:
Sim's looked frustrated all year when taken out. But its unclear if hes frustrated at himself or the coach
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It was clearly at the coach this time. He got pulled after he fouled down low in a spot he got stuck on a bigger player and I thought made a good foul to make the guy earn it at the line. He was there because of somebody else's blown assignment and Pitino pulled him for fouling which was nonsensical to me and also to Sim.

Same thing happened with Ejafor who got pulled for a foul or mistake that he shouldn't have been and he looked at the ceiling and rolled his eyes while Pitino was talking to him.

The disconnect between staff and players was very evident all night. Pitino says the players decided to bench Smith but my eyes (and admittedly I have always started from the base assumption of "don't believe anything Pitino says") say it was his decision and that the players were not happy about it.

Maybe more there as well but not a good look. The only ones who really played through it without any obvious impact were Kadary and Luis.
 
lawmanfan said:
It was clearly at the coach this time. He got pulled after he fouled down low in a spot he got stuck on a bigger player and I thought made a good foul to make the guy earn it at the line. He was there because of somebody else's blown assignment and Pitino pulled him for fouling which was nonsensical to me and also to Sim.

Same thing happened with Ejafor who got pulled for a foul or mistake that he shouldn't have been and he looked at the ceiling and rolled his eyes while Pitino was talking to him.

The disconnect between staff and players was very evident all night. Pitino says the players decided to bench Smith but my eyes (and admittedly I have always started from the base assumption of "don't believe anything Pitino says") say it was his decision and that the players were not happy about it.

Maybe more there as well but not a good look. The only ones who really played through it without any obvious impact were Kadary and Luis.
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Yeah I didn't have a view yesterday so I trust your account.
 
room112 said:
Your last point is what scared me the most coming into this season. When you have to put together a team basically through free agency, and now are paying kids big money, you never know how it will mesh. Clearly some issues, but that's Pitino's job to figure out. As you pointed out, it's possible he won't.
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Agree. It's a brave new world and while Coach has had a HOF career; this is a very different paradigm than he had for almost all of it. There are no guarantees that how he does things will work as well today.
 
A few minutes on Coach Carnesecca and his passing, what he meant to so many, and how he personally always made me feel like he knew me my whole life.

I'm also joined by Jason Dimaio who covers St. John's and Hofstra on DalyDoseofHoops to recap the Harvard win, what concerned us, the elite Kadary Richmond showing up and just how badly Aaron Scott and Deivon Smith are needed for St. John's to have any success this year.



 
lawmanfan said:
Well it was probably Kadary and after that Luis (although he failed to close out on three consecutive 3 pointers in the second half and then did something else stupid after that but overall he was an excellent contributor).

But Brady as he often is was the sparkplug who made hustle plays and timely contributions that lead to winning basketball. I just wish he hit more shots, he is in a slump lately and he needs to see the ball go in for his confidence.

He is one of the players who looked uncharacteristically unhappy yesterday. Ejafor and Wilcher also very atypically reacted poorly to Pitino pulling them out of the game at different points.

Hopefully a week of practice and team building creates some positive vibes going into the next game
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Brady did at the least chip in with 7 rebounds so it's not like he did nothing out there.
 
room112 said:
Brady did at the least chip in with 7 rebounds so it's not like he did nothing out there.
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As I have posted previously several times in this thread in a different way, if he had no rebounds and you posted he did nothing, you would be dead wrong.
 
lawmanfan said:
It was clearly at the coach this time. He got pulled after he fouled down low in a spot he got stuck on a bigger player and I thought made a good foul to make the guy earn it at the line. He was there because of somebody else's blown assignment and Pitino pulled him for fouling which was nonsensical to me and also to Sim.

Same thing happened with Ejafor who got pulled for a foul or mistake that he shouldn't have been and he looked at the ceiling and rolled his eyes while Pitino was talking to him.

The disconnect between staff and players was very evident all night. Pitino says the players decided to bench Smith but my eyes (and admittedly I have always started from the base assumption of "don't believe anything Pitino says") say it was his decision and that the players were not happy about it.

Maybe more there as well but not a good look. The only ones who really played through it without any obvious impact were Kadary and Luis.
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This is not good. It sounds like Pitino needs to relate better to this generation of player. He needs to adapt.
 
Mean Gene said:
This is not good. It sounds like Pitino needs to relate better to this generation of player. He needs to adapt.
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I don’t buy that for a second. This guy went to the mid major level right before us and won right away. Granted he took over a good mid major program because of Cluess but we know he was going to win regardless. His backcourt on that team became all league caliber high major players, because of his acumen and talent development, and his center has become a good high major big.

He also has ample professional experience where the players are by and large more challenging.

He is sending a message that he thinks need to be sent for the best interest of the team long term.

Is he handling it right? I don’t know. But any betting man would put him and his resume ahead of my Birds Eye message board view.
 
lawmanfan said:
Well it was probably Kadary and after that Luis (although he failed to close out on three consecutive 3 pointers in the second half and then did something else stupid after that but overall he was an excellent contributor).

But Brady as he often is was the sparkplug who made hustle plays and timely contributions that lead to winning basketball. I just wish he hit more shots, he is in a slump lately and he needs to see the ball go in for his confidence.

He is one of the players who looked uncharacteristically unhappy yesterday. Ejafor and Wilcher also very atypically reacted poorly to Pitino pulling them out of the game at different points.

Hopefully a week of practice and team building creates some positive vibes going into the next game
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I have no idea if the team learned about Coach Carnesecca's death before the game but if it did, could this at least partially explain your accurate descriptions of negative vibes, "looked uncharacteristically unhappy", "atypically reacted poorly" and other posts describing a lackluster performance? Just wondering.
 
CBA69 said:
I have no idea if the team learned about Coach Carnesecca's death before the game but if it did, could this at least partially explain your accurate descriptions of negative vibes, "looked uncharacteristically unhappy", "atypically reacted poorly" and other posts describing a lackluster performance? Just wondering.
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Don't think because at post game presser CRP talked of two of his close friends passing away...nothing about Louie.
 
If players have a problem with getting benched with 2 fouls or a quick 3rd foul in the second half, don't foul. I suspect deterrence is half the reason why Pitino has that hard and fast rule. They know the drill.
 
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