Guys on Matt’s Radar

[quote="Happy" post=279559][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=279546][quote="Happy" post=279519][quote="Paultzman" post=279517]Sense Femi O for quick visit perhaps this weekend[/quote]

if Matt can pull off 2 grad transfer bigs ( and I believe that is what he is targeting) then that will make us more competitive next year and winning only helps recruiting. That being said I still dislike the recruiting philosophy because it just pushes back the recruiting clock 1 year . Also I think the turnstile will start up again soon Next years team is going to look different then people think IMO.[/quote]

Dude, we hear this same damn crap every single single, except when we're giving our coaches a pass for nothing on the roster. 2 years ago all we heard was how Simon and Clark were killing it in practice.
Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Clark coming in, yeah we're going back to the NCAA, well we all know the Lovett situation, and only 15 wins.
And so now next years team is gonna get people through the turn stiles huh? So I suppose the team will be so good next year too? This is like the boy that cried wolf, you hear the same thing year after year, but it's just the same ole, same ole.

I'm sorry for being so negative, but I'm at the point where I don't want to hear it anymore, then next year if they stink, I'll be disappointed? Nah, I refuse to do that anymore. I'll wait till next year and let them show me.
I get tired of hearing everytime we'll be good next year then year begins but no different results[/quote]

My turnstile analogy was in reference to kids leaving the program. I believe you misinterpreted my post entirely which is ok as everyone is on edge lately it seems :)[/quote]

Happy, to be clear, are you sensing a defection this year that has not yet been speculated?
 
[quote="frank61" post=279558]It is inexcusable for this program not to be making a more obvious effort on the recruiting front.
I don't think CM accepted the coaching job only to come home and be a failure. Yet he has made no moves to redo the coaching staff. he is loyal to a fault toward some on the staff, but it is very apparent that they are not making the contributions needed to help get this team out of the cellar of the Big East. At this point, one would think we would be mentioned all over the recruiting front, but we are not. It is beyond frustrating, it is disappointing and unacceptable and should be the Chris Mullin. [/quote]

This is not the Chris Mullin I expected. I thought he’d leverage his HOF-distinction (and Mitch) to reel guys in.
Early on, he recruited (as in trying to keep) Sampson and Diallo—and failed. He did a great job with Shamorie—but no other top 4* HS player since.
Did that ‘burn him out’ on the recruiting trail?
Because relying on the transfer market as Plans A & B is not a sustainable recruiting strategy and one that as Happy stated, restarts the clock about every year for a full boat of replacements.
 
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Chicago Days wrote:
" ........... He (Mullin) did a great job with Shamorie—but no other top 4* HS player since.........[/quote]

incoming frosh Greg Williams, Jr. is a 4* per both Rivals and ESPN
 
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[quote="otis" post=279584][quote="Chicago Days" post=279577]
Chicago Days wrote:
" ........... He (Mullin) did a great job with Shamorie—but no other top 4* HS player since.........[/quote]

incoming frosh Greg Williams, Jr. is a 4* per both Rivals and ESPN[/quote]

Very happy GW is a Johnnie. I think he’ll have a great career at St. John’s. You’re right, he’s a 4*. Not going to quibble. Again, ecstatic he’s on board—seems like a warrior.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=279589]http://www.greensboro.com/sports/accxtra/former-wesleyan-star-caraher-looking-for-right-fit-chance-to/article_174d5900-3843-11e8-bff8-cf79c262cd9a.html[/quote]

Thanks Paultz, good piece. Wonder why he and Butler ‘parted ways’? Quality bigs would be priority at this point, but DC might be a great piece if he can rev his game up a notch or two. That new transfer rule—linked to GPA averages—is set to be decided this August I think.
I dislike the ‘rule’—but be nice to benefit from it, before we get burned by it.
 
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=279591][quote="Paultzman" post=279589]http://www.greensboro.com/sports/accxtra/former-wesleyan-star-caraher-looking-for-right-fit-chance-to/article_174d5900-3843-11e8-bff8-cf79c262cd9a.html[/quote]

Thanks Paultz, good piece. Wonder why he and Butler ‘parted ways’? Quality bigs would be priority at this point, but DC might be a great piece if he can rev his game up a notch or two. That new transfer rule—linked to GPA averages—is set to be decided this August I think.
I dislike the ‘rule’—but be nice to benefit from it, before we get burned by it.[/quote]
Holtmann left I believe
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=279586][quote="otis" post=279584][quote="Chicago Days" post=279577]
Chicago Days wrote:
" ........... He (Mullin) did a great job with Shamorie—but no other top 4* HS player since.........[/quote]

incoming frosh Greg Williams, Jr. is a 4* per both Rivals and ESPN[/quote]

Very happy GW is a Johnnie. I think he’ll have a great career at St. John’s. You’re right, he’s a 4*. Not going to quibble. Again, ecstatic he’s on board—seems like a warrior.[/quote]

Marcus LoVett was a 4 star but was originally a Lavin recruit. Kassoum Yakwe was a 4 star but was originally a Lavin recruit. Federico Mussini was considered a 4 star equivalent but was originally a Lavin recruit. Shamorie Ponds was a 4 star but was originally contacted by Tony Chiles. Justin Simon was a 4 star but was originally recruited by Arizona.
See a trend?
Greg Williams is the first 4 star originally contacted by Matt to sign with St. John's.
Every other player has been a 3 star and half have left the program who were not recruited by the Power 5 schools or were transfers who were not happy campers.
The bottom line is that it is not easy to recruit players to come to St. John's because the only attempt at improving the program and facilities has been Tafner. Everything else has been a cluster fck of bad decisions and poor management of a basketball program that could have been a gold mine. A corrupt president, an A.D. that was a scoundrel followed by an interim A.D. who, along with a rookie president, ended up spending more $$ on a coaching staff with absolutely zero experience who to date seem only capable of finishing in last place with 3 star talent who end up transferring because the think they are 5 star players.
You can't make this stuff up other than at St. John's.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=279597]
Marcus LoVett was a 4 star but was originally a Lavin recruit. Kassoum Yakwe was a 4 star but was originally a Lavin recruit. Federico Mussini was considered a 4 star equivalent but was originally a Lavin recruit. Shamorie Ponds was a 4 star but was originally contacted by Tony Chiles. Justin Simon was a 4 star but was originally recruited by Arizona.
See a trend? [/quote]

Yep.... a definite trend. Lets take a look at the 5 players 72 references above.

Marcus LoVett was a 4 star but was originally a Lavin recruit.... but was ineligible to play his frosh year.then went on to play just 37 games for StJohns before quitting the team.

Kassoum Yakwe was a 4 star but was originally a Lavin recruit. ... has played 3 years for StJohns and has averaged only 4.5 points per game with only 3.5 rebounds per game.

Federico Mussini was considered a 4 star equivalent but was originally a Lavin recruit..... but chose not commit to "Lav; Mussini played only 2 years for StJohns before returning to Italy after being considered by some to be a bit slow with foot speed and averaged only 19.minutes per game averaging 8.1 points per game during his second season.

Shamorie Ponds was a 4 star but was originally contacted by Tony Chiles.... but again "Lav" was unsuccessful in obtaining a commitment.

Justin Simon was a 4 star but was originally recruited by Arizona... but did not commit to "Lav"

so yes, there is a definite trend which 72 has astutely pointed out regarding "Lav's" recruiting; that being that "Lav" was only successful in gaining commitments for 2 of the 5 four star players 72 mentioned but none of those 2 players referenced by 72 had more than one and a half years of success at StJohns. In addition "Lav's" inability to recruit successful sustainable D1 talent at StJohns is best demonstrated at the end of his 6th season when he left a roster of just 4 players for the incoming coach.
 
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[quote="otis" post=279606][quote="Class of 72" post=279597]
Marcus LoVett was a 4 star but was originally a Lavin recruit. Kassoum Yakwe was a 4 star but was originally a Lavin recruit. Federico Mussini was considered a 4 star equivalent but was originally a Lavin recruit. Shamorie Ponds was a 4 star but was originally contacted by Tony Chiles. Justin Simon was a 4 star but was originally recruited by Arizona.
See a trend? [/quote]

Yep.... a definite trend. Lets take a look at the 5 players 72 references above.

Marcus LoVett was a 4 star but was originally a Lavin recruit.... but was ineligible to play his frosh year.then went on to play just 37 games for StJohns before quitting the team.

Kassoum Yakwe was a 4 star but was originally a Lavin recruit. ... has played 3 years for StJohns and has averaged only 4.5 points per game with only 3.5 rebounds per game.

Federico Mussini was considered a 4 star equivalent but was originally a Lavin recruit..... but chose not commit to "Lav; Mussini played only 2 years for StJohns before returning to Italy after being considered by some to be a bit slow with foot speed and averaged only 19.minutes per game averaging 8.1 points per game during his second season.

Shamorie Ponds was a 4 star but was originally contacted by Tony Chiles.... but again "Lav" was unsuccessful in obtaining a commitment.

Justin Simon was a 4 star but was originally recruited by Arizona... but did not commit to "Lav"

so yes, there is a definite trend which 72 has astutely pointed out regarding "Lav's" recruiting; that being that "Lav" was only successful in gaining commitments for 2 of the 5 four star players 72 mentioned but none of those 2 players referenced by 72 had more than one and a half years of success at StJohns. In addition "Lav's" inability to recruit successful sustainable D1 talent at StJohns is best demonstrated at the end of his 6th season when he left a roster of just 4 players for the incoming coach.[/quote]

I give you a B for trying to out fox Sly Fox but Slick was a junior at Jefferson when Tony attended games. Players rarely commit in their junior year. Marcus LoVett was a St, John's lean bcause of the work of the previous staff, who, in their 5th year went to the NCAA Tournament. He spent 2 and a half years under the Mullin experiment so if you want to attach any blame or negativity it falls squarely on our current knuckleheads.

Are you disputing our spending more $$ on a coaching staff that recruits even less than Lavin's? Are we not still paying recruiting guru Barry Rohressen over $500K? Is the title of this thread "Guys on MATT'S radar"? While you have every right to discredit Lavin all you want, what can you credit Mullin with to date?
 
Man this site is getting so difficult to read. Enough with the bickering between former coaches and present coaches. You really think we aren’t going after players right now? You really think we aren’t gonna get guys to fill spots? Man. If I were a player thinking about coming here and read this site I would say bye bye St. John’s. Your fans suck. Let the staff do it’s job without you know it alls telling them what they should and shouldn’t be doing. Yea I’m sure mullin isn’t involved with trying to get players right now. Sure. (Said in jest). Blast away at me. Go ahead
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=279613][quote="otis" post=279606][quote="Class of 72" post=279597]
Marcus LoVett was a 4 star but was originally a Lavin recruit. Kassoum Yakwe was a 4 star but was originally a Lavin recruit. Federico Mussini was considered a 4 star equivalent but was originally a Lavin recruit. Shamorie Ponds was a 4 star but was originally contacted by Tony Chiles. Justin Simon was a 4 star but was originally recruited by Arizona.
See a trend? [/quote]

Yep.... a definite trend. Lets take a look at the 5 players 72 references above.

Marcus LoVett was a 4 star but was originally a Lavin recruit.... but was ineligible to play his frosh year.then went on to play just 37 games for StJohns before quitting the team.

Kassoum Yakwe was a 4 star but was originally a Lavin recruit. ... has played 3 years for StJohns and has averaged only 4.5 points per game with only 3.5 rebounds per game.

Federico Mussini was considered a 4 star equivalent but was originally a Lavin recruit..... but chose not commit to "Lav; Mussini played only 2 years for StJohns before returning to Italy after being considered by some to be a bit slow with foot speed and averaged only 19.minutes per game averaging 8.1 points per game during his second season.

Shamorie Ponds was a 4 star but was originally contacted by Tony Chiles.... but again "Lav" was unsuccessful in obtaining a commitment.

Justin Simon was a 4 star but was originally recruited by Arizona... but did not commit to "Lav"

so yes, there is a definite trend which 72 has astutely pointed out regarding "Lav's" recruiting; that being that "Lav" was only successful in gaining commitments for 2 of the 5 four star players 72 mentioned but none of those 2 players referenced by 72 had more than one and a half years of success at StJohns. In addition "Lav's" inability to recruit successful sustainable D1 talent at StJohns is best demonstrated at the end of his 6th season when he left a roster of just 4 players for the incoming coach.[/quote]


72 not very hard at all to poke holes in Otis’s agenda driven replies’. facts are quite clear even for the elementary on this site

I give you a B for trying to out fox Sly Fox but Slick was a junior at Jefferson when Tony attended games. Players rarely commit in their junior year. Marcus LoVett was a St, John's lean bcause of the work of the previous staff, who, in their 5th year went to the NCAA Tournament. He spent 2 and a half years under the Mullin experiment so if you want to attach any blame or negativity it falls squarely on our current knuckleheads.

Are you disputing our spending more $$ on a coaching staff that recruits even less than Lavin's? Are we not still paying recruiting guru Barry Rohressen over $500K? Is the title of this thread "Guys on MATT'S radar"? While you have every right to discredit Lavin all you want, what can you credit Mullin with to date?[/quote]
 
[quote="Happy" post=279559][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=279546][quote="Happy" post=279519][quote="Paultzman" post=279517]Sense Femi O for quick visit perhaps this weekend[/quote]

if Matt can pull off 2 grad transfer bigs ( and I believe that is what he is targeting) then that will make us more competitive next year and winning only helps recruiting. That being said I still dislike the recruiting philosophy because it just pushes back the recruiting clock 1 year . Also I think the turnstile will start up again soon Next years team is going to look different then people think IMO.[/quote]

Dude, we hear this same damn crap every single single, except when we're giving our coaches a pass for nothing on the roster. 2 years ago all we heard was how Simon and Clark were killing it in practice.
Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Clark coming in, yeah we're going back to the NCAA, well we all know the Lovett situation, and only 15 wins.
And so now next years team is gonna get people through the turn stiles huh? So I suppose the team will be so good next year too? This is like the boy that cried wolf, you hear the same thing year after year, but it's just the same ole, same ole.

I'm sorry for being so negative, but I'm at the point where I don't want to hear it anymore, then next year if they stink, I'll be disappointed? Nah, I refuse to do that anymore. I'll wait till next year and let them show me.
I get tired of hearing everytime we'll be good next year then year begins but no different results[/quote]

My turnstile analogy was in reference to kids leaving the program. I believe you misinterpreted my post entirely which is ok as everyone is on edge lately it seems :)[/quote]

Yeah my bad, I seen: "Also I think the turnstile will start up again soon Next years team is going to look different then people think IMO." and thought you were talking about the fans coming through the turnstiles. Just read it again and see what you mean.
 
Seeing that Connor Vanover, 7’+ kid leaving Memphis is visiting Cal.
Haven’t seen anything new on James Banks the transfer from TX.
Is Matt looking at either of these guys?
Just curious.
Vanover at 7’+ is rail-thin and loves and seems good from the outside (yeah Arrrgh!).
Haven’t seen much about James Banks since he opted to transfer. Banks, btw was a big-time recruit in the 2016 class...and I believe ranked #49 and #57 by two major recruiting services that year.
 
One name I haven't seen mentioned (apologies if I missed it) is David NickelBerry. He is a 3* 6'7" SF that decomitted from Memphis. Matt is following him on Twitter. Landing a borderline top 200 player would be a pretty addition at this point. He had offers from Florida, Florida State, Miami and Vanderbilt among others.
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=279572][quote="Happy" post=279559][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=279546][quote="Happy" post=279519][quote="Paultzman" post=279517]Sense Femi O for quick visit perhaps this weekend[/quote]

if Matt can pull off 2 grad transfer bigs ( and I believe that is what he is targeting) then that will make us more competitive next year and winning only helps recruiting. That being said I still dislike the recruiting philosophy because it just pushes back the recruiting clock 1 year . Also I think the turnstile will start up again soon Next years team is going to look different then people think IMO.[/quote]

Dude, we hear this same damn crap every single single, except when we're giving our coaches a pass for nothing on the roster. 2 years ago all we heard was how Simon and Clark were killing it in practice.
Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Clark coming in, yeah we're going back to the NCAA, well we all know the Lovett situation, and only 15 wins.
And so now next years team is gonna get people through the turn stiles huh? So I suppose the team will be so good next year too? This is like the boy that cried wolf, you hear the same thing year after year, but it's just the same ole, same ole.

I'm sorry for being so negative, but I'm at the point where I don't want to hear it anymore, then next year if they stink, I'll be disappointed? Nah, I refuse to do that anymore. I'll wait till next year and let them show me.
I get tired of hearing everytime we'll be good next year then year begins but no different results[/quote]

My turnstile analogy was in reference to kids leaving the program. I believe you misinterpreted my post entirely which is ok as everyone is on edge lately it seems :)[/quote]

Happy, to be clear, are you sensing a defection this year that has not yet been speculated?[/quote]

No .. but it's coming for sure and in this landscape of college basketball transfers nothing would surprise me.
 
One grad big and two & possibly three sit out players is latest staff plan for this year. Of course this is fluid. For those still holding out hope on Owens return, doubt it but you never know as he sees grass is not greener.

Multiple sit out transfers to me is disappointing & possibly reflective of a challenging 19 recruiting prognosis net of Kofi perhaps.
 
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Thank you Eric for having the courage to post the truth amidst a climate of fair-weather fans,who either are or act like they are childish millennials. The fans on this site mostly suck and should be ashamed of themselves. They act like they know what is going on with our coaching staff, the ability of players we are recruiting etc. When in fact you all know nothing. Just a ridiculous amount of negative speculation. You should all grow up and wait till decisions have been made. Then just root for your team whether they are good or bad, hoping they out perform. Chris Mullin deserves way better than the disrespect you are showing him. I do not agree with nor understand everything that is going on behind the scenes with this team, but I am sure as hell always going to support them. GROW UP.
 
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