Fire Lavin!

Can somebody please tell me what you would have done differently today?

The only thing I would have done differently is not played Hooper so much. I didn't put much worth in his garbage time performance, but would have given him as much playing time. He shot 1-5 in 18 minutes, and although I do think he is a basketball player who can pass and handle the ball decently, he hasn't shown he can shoot with any pressure on him whatsoever. You can't prove to me that as bad as Branch has been, that Hooper merits 18 minutes to Branch's 8.

Other than that, we played decent defense today, at least if you go by Villanova's shooting %. We did lose the boards 42-31, and I guess when you go three guards, that will happen. I would have started pointer and not Greene. That point hardly mattered since our front line of Sanchez and Sampson immediately got into foul trouble and were not factors from that point out. Once they were in foul trouble, after Obekpa, there aren't any other big men worthy of significant playing time, so we would have gone small anyway.

On offense, we attacked, and attacked, and attacked the hoop. Nova did block 5 shots to our 6, but we were successfully able to penetrate, get relatively easy shots, and draw fouls. As mentioned, we missed so many relatively easy shots, I don't know what Lavin could have done to improve that.

Jordan played reasonably well, and shot 6-14. Surprisingly, as much as he penetrated, he didn't go to the line once. It's amazing how easily he can slash to the basket - he vaguely has the ability of a Monroe to shake free even in heavy traffic and heavily guarded, he gets off the shot he wants.

Harrison: 4-13
Greene: 2-8
Sampson; 4-11
Pointer: 1-8
Hooper: 1-5

Collectively: 12 for 45, 26.6% for players on the floor 123 minutes of the 200 total.

You ask me, two main reasons for the loss are things Lavin or any coach couldn't control: inability to make high percentage shots, and Sampson, Pointer, Sanchez racking up 14 fouls. I thought Sampson and Sanchez were going to have really big games and I think they could have.
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Agree Beast...Regardless of whether one is pro or anti Lavin, don't think there was much, if anything, that he did that contributed to today's loss...

I think he needs to video guy to create a montage of Sampson going for ball fakes over the last 2 years. Let him watch it until he connects the dots...

Think he needs to tell Sanchez that his PT will be predicated on his aggressiveness on the offensive side...he continues to pass up mismatch opportunities
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While he may not have done anything specific to cause us to lose, nor did he do anything down the stretch to put us in a position to win. And make no mistake about it, this was a very winnable game.
 
Lavin is a mediocre coach who has some good assistants. The problem is his players. They all have holes in their game . They are all school yard players who don't know how to play the game. Pointer- Jumps thru the roof but cant shoot .Harrison- did you see those 25 ft. jump shots with 30 seconds left on the clock. Greene-let me shoot my BS jump shot and dribble from side to side and he's a point guard, Uh Uh. Sampson-I can sky and dunk but cant make easy shots and cant make foul shots. Sanchez plays like he's 5'9" and fouls all day. That's why he averaged 10 points in JC. Savior my ass. Not one player on our team will play in the NBA. I hope Lavin learns that his approach is all wrong going after athletes only but guys who know how to play. That is why city kids are the best. These current players all better think about staying another year and getting their degrees.
 
Can somebody please tell me what you would have done differently today?

The only thing I would have done differently is not played Hooper so much. I didn't put much worth in his garbage time performance, but would have given him as much playing time. He shot 1-5 in 18 minutes, and although I do think he is a basketball player who can pass and handle the ball decently, he hasn't shown he can shoot with any pressure on him whatsoever. You can't prove to me that as bad as Branch has been, that Hooper merits 18 minutes to Branch's 8.

Other than that, we played decent defense today, at least if you go by Villanova's shooting %. We did lose the boards 42-31, and I guess when you go three guards, that will happen. I would have started pointer and not Greene. That point hardly mattered since our front line of Sanchez and Sampson immediately got into foul trouble and were not factors from that point out. Once they were in foul trouble, after Obekpa, there aren't any other big men worthy of significant playing time, so we would have gone small anyway.

On offense, we attacked, and attacked, and attacked the hoop. Nova did block 5 shots to our 6, but we were successfully able to penetrate, get relatively easy shots, and draw fouls. As mentioned, we missed so many relatively easy shots, I don't know what Lavin could have done to improve that.

Jordan played reasonably well, and shot 6-14. Surprisingly, as much as he penetrated, he didn't go to the line once. It's amazing how easily he can slash to the basket - he vaguely has the ability of a Monroe to shake free even in heavy traffic and heavily guarded, he gets off the shot he wants.

Harrison: 4-13
Greene: 2-8
Sampson; 4-11
Pointer: 1-8
Hooper: 1-5

Collectively: 12 for 45, 26.6% for players on the floor 123 minutes of the 200 total.

You ask me, two main reasons for the loss are things Lavin or any coach couldn't control: inability to make high percentage shots, and Sampson, Pointer, Sanchez racking up 14 fouls. I thought Sampson and Sanchez were going to have really big games and I think they could have.
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Agree Beast...Regardless of whether one is pro or anti Lavin, don't think there was much, if anything, that he did that contributed to today's loss...

I think he needs to video guy to create a montage of Sampson going for ball fakes over the last 2 years. Let him watch it until he connects the dots...

Think he needs to tell Sanchez that his PT will be predicated on his aggressiveness on the offensive side...he continues to pass up mismatch opportunities
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While he may not have done anything specific to cause us to lose, nor did he do anything down the stretch to put us in a position to win. And make no mistake about it, this was a very winnable game.
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Agree game was winnable and don't think it would be monumental upset...but what do you think he should have done to put us in position to win? I would have liked to see us work to get better shots for Hooper (why he is the guy setting picks is beyond me)
 
Can somebody please tell me what you would have done differently today?

The only thing I would have done differently is not played Hooper so much. I didn't put much worth in his garbage time performance, but would have given him as much playing time. He shot 1-5 in 18 minutes, and although I do think he is a basketball player who can pass and handle the ball decently, he hasn't shown he can shoot with any pressure on him whatsoever. You can't prove to me that as bad as Branch has been, that Hooper merits 18 minutes to Branch's 8.

Other than that, we played decent defense today, at least if you go by Villanova's shooting %. We did lose the boards 42-31, and I guess when you go three guards, that will happen. I would have started pointer and not Greene. That point hardly mattered since our front line of Sanchez and Sampson immediately got into foul trouble and were not factors from that point out. Once they were in foul trouble, after Obekpa, there aren't any other big men worthy of significant playing time, so we would have gone small anyway.

On offense, we attacked, and attacked, and attacked the hoop. Nova did block 5 shots to our 6, but we were successfully able to penetrate, get relatively easy shots, and draw fouls. As mentioned, we missed so many relatively easy shots, I don't know what Lavin could have done to improve that.

Jordan played reasonably well, and shot 6-14. Surprisingly, as much as he penetrated, he didn't go to the line once. It's amazing how easily he can slash to the basket - he vaguely has the ability of a Monroe to shake free even in heavy traffic and heavily guarded, he gets off the shot he wants.

Harrison: 4-13
Greene: 2-8
Sampson; 4-11
Pointer: 1-8
Hooper: 1-5

Collectively: 12 for 45, 26.6% for players on the floor 123 minutes of the 200 total.

You ask me, two main reasons for the loss are things Lavin or any coach couldn't control: inability to make high percentage shots, and Sampson, Pointer, Sanchez racking up 14 fouls. I thought Sampson and Sanchez were going to have really big games and I think they could have.
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Agree Beast...Regardless of whether one is pro or anti Lavin, don't think there was much, if anything, that he did that contributed to today's loss...

I think he needs to video guy to create a montage of Sampson going for ball fakes over the last 2 years. Let him watch it until he connects the dots...

Think he needs to tell Sanchez that his PT will be predicated on his aggressiveness on the offensive side...he continues to pass up mismatch opportunities
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While he may not have done anything specific to cause us to lose, nor did he do anything down the stretch to put us in a position to win. And make no mistake about it, this was a very winnable game.
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Agree game was winnable and don't think it would be monumental upset...but what do you think he should have done to put us in position to win? I would have liked to see us work to get better shots for Hooper (why he is the guy setting picks is beyond me)
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We seem to play our most undisciplined ball when the stakes are highest. Think he needs to use his TOs more effectively down the stretch and call some set plays.
 
So Lavin is an idiot? ok he may be underachieving but c'mon enough with this crap. Its not 1984 anymore we are not an elite program and those who think we are are insane. However we should be a 18-10ish team with this talent and in new Big East. I'm all for sticking with Lavs for another couple of seasons and if we do not improve time to move on. Remember the buzz when he took over, with Mike R helping out the program, recruiting on a national level, new UA contract, leading us into the new Big East. Sure some guys didn't make it to campus but we were and are still are mentioned with recruits that guys like Norm never got close to. We made it through those years. So Whitehead holds us up, trying to get his High School coach a job and its Lavs fault for not catering to him? We are mentioned with Brisco and Diallo, every time we think he's gonna lose out he lands a top player. Jordan going to temple, Jakarr going to Kansas, CO going to Cincy and so on, i know they have not turned out the way we expected but hopefully they'll develop.
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Guys right here on this very board thought Polle was better then any recruit Norm had ever gotten. Thats how thrilled they were with Steve. I think the kid hit a couple of jumpers from 16 in his first couple of games. Guys fell in love with the talent level because they wanted to. Sure, I'll continue to root for these kids and even now hope next years better. Most important I hope Steve really starts to bring in complete players. He did what he could for a coach starting from scratch who had to field a team fast. If it was not going to happen for Beilein at Mich. fast, and for Amaker not at all, why was it going to be easy here? Going into the season it was a fact this team had trouble with the basics. A juco was going to get us 10 and 10! The same kids that were skinny last year were still skinny. There are no perfect teams and I would expect our guys to win a few games. I hope they play hard. On average we were picked to finish around 6th. Maybe we can still get there.
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Polee is playing well on a nationally ranked SD St team.
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Well? Lets just say he's playing. Take away two games against NAIA teams in which he played a lot as SDSU won by 52 and 83 and he's averaging just over 5 in 12 mins with a few DNPs. Another Lavin recruit who was more athelete than player. He's had a couple of good real games, that's about it.
 
So Lavin is an idiot? ok he may be underachieving but c'mon enough with this crap. Its not 1984 anymore we are not an elite program and those who think we are are insane. However we should be a 18-10ish team with this talent and in new Big East. I'm all for sticking with Lavs for another couple of seasons and if we do not improve time to move on. Remember the buzz when he took over, with Mike R helping out the program, recruiting on a national level, new UA contract, leading us into the new Big East. Sure some guys didn't make it to campus but we were and are still are mentioned with recruits that guys like Norm never got close to. We made it through those years. So Whitehead holds us up, trying to get his High School coach a job and its Lavs fault for not catering to him? We are mentioned with Brisco and Diallo, every time we think he's gonna lose out he lands a top player. Jordan going to temple, Jakarr going to Kansas, CO going to Cincy and so on, i know they have not turned out the way we expected but hopefully they'll develop.
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Guys right here on this very board thought Polle was better then any recruit Norm had ever gotten. Thats how thrilled they were with Steve. I think the kid hit a couple of jumpers from 16 in his first couple of games. Guys fell in love with the talent level because they wanted to. Sure, I'll continue to root for these kids and even now hope next years better. Most important I hope Steve really starts to bring in complete players. He did what he could for a coach starting from scratch who had to field a team fast. If it was not going to happen for Beilein at Mich. fast, and for Amaker not at all, why was it going to be easy here? Going into the season it was a fact this team had trouble with the basics. A juco was going to get us 10 and 10! The same kids that were skinny last year were still skinny. There are no perfect teams and I would expect our guys to win a few games. I hope they play hard. On average we were picked to finish around 6th. Maybe we can still get there.
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Polee is playing well on a nationally ranked SD St team.
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Well? Lets just say he's playing. Take away two games against NAIA teams in which he played a lot as SDSU won by 52 and 83 and he's averaging just over 5 in 12 mins with a few DNPs. Another Lavin recruit who was more athelete than player. He's had a couple of good real games, that's about it.
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On the other hand he should have held on to Ron Roberts, who's had a nice few years at the other SJU
 
Lavin is a mediocre coach who has some good assistants. The problem is his players. They all have holes in their game . They are all school yard players who don't know how to play the game. Pointer- Jumps thru the roof but cant shoot .Harrison- did you see those 25 ft. jump shots with 30 seconds left on the clock. Greene-let me shoot my BS jump shot and dribble from side to side and he's a point guard, Uh Uh. Sampson-I can sky and dunk but cant make easy shots and cant make foul shots. Sanchez plays like he's 5'9" and fouls all day. That's why he averaged 10 points in JC. Savior my ass. Not one player on our team will play in the NBA. I hope Lavin learns that his approach is all wrong going after athletes only but guys who know how to play. That is why city kids are the best. These current players all better think about staying another year and getting their degrees.
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I agree that city kids are the best. We need nyc kids on this team
 
Lavin is a mediocre coach who has some good assistants. The problem is his players. They all have holes in their game . They are all school yard players who don't know how to play the game. Pointer- Jumps thru the roof but cant shoot .Harrison- did you see those 25 ft. jump shots with 30 seconds left on the clock. Greene-let me shoot my BS jump shot and dribble from side to side and he's a point guard, Uh Uh. Sampson-I can sky and dunk but cant make easy shots and cant make foul shots. Sanchez plays like he's 5'9" and fouls all day. That's why he averaged 10 points in JC. Savior my ass. Not one player on our team will play in the NBA. I hope Lavin learns that his approach is all wrong going after athletes only but guys who know how to play. That is why city kids are the best. These current players all better think about staying another year and getting their degrees.
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I agree that city kids are the best. We need nyc kids on this team
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If you want more kids who can't shoot
 
What this team needs is a go to guy when you have to score! We do not have that player, he was drafted in the first round. The loss of Harkless to this team was huge!
 
Wherever one falls on the qualifications of Lavin to get SJU where we want them to be, one undeniable fact is he has proven that St John's is a desirable destination for top rated recruits...whether they are the right mix or as good as their ratings can be debated but bottom line is they were highly rated and he got them...

So, hopefully he (and his staff) get things turned around...If not and should he move on, at least he re-established SJU as legit program.

Frankly, if we had just 1 more multi-dimensional player with a decent-to-good outside shot the results would be much better to date (he recruits so that missing piece is his responsibility)...just throwing out a name but a guy like Fuquan Edwin (current season's results aside) would be a good fit and make us dangerous...I'm sure there are better suggestions but his name came to mind (can do a little bit of everything)
 
Wherever one falls on the qualifications of Lavin to get SJU where we want them to be, one undeniable fact is he has proven that St John's is a desirable destination for top rated recruits...whether they are the right mix or as good as their ratings can be debated but bottom line is they were highly rated and he got them...

So, hopefully he (and his staff) get things turned around...If not and should he move on, at least he re-established SJU as legit program.

Frankly, if we had just 1 more multi-dimensional player with a decent-to-good outside shot the results would be much better to date (he recruits so that missing piece is his responsibility)...just throwing out a name but a guy like Fuquan Edwin (current season's results aside) would be a good fit and make us dangerous...I'm sure there are better suggestions but his name came to mind (can do a little bit of everything)
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Norm restored our reputation. Lavin re-established us as a legit program and destination for top recruits. Hopefully in my lifetime we'll find a coach who can have us once again competing as a top 25 team year in and year out. I don't think that asking for to much,.
 
Lavin is a mediocre coach who has some good assistants. The problem is his players. They all have holes in their game . They are all school yard players who don't know how to play the game. Pointer- Jumps thru the roof but cant shoot .Harrison- did you see those 25 ft. jump shots with 30 seconds left on the clock. Greene-let me shoot my BS jump shot and dribble from side to side and he's a point guard, Uh Uh. Sampson-I can sky and dunk but cant make easy shots and cant make foul shots. Sanchez plays like he's 5'9" and fouls all day. That's why he averaged 10 points in JC. Savior my ass. Not one player on our team will play in the NBA. I hope Lavin learns that his approach is all wrong going after athletes only but guys who know how to play. That is why city kids are the best. These current players all better think about staying another year and getting their degrees.
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I agree that city kids are the best. We need nyc kids on this team
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If you want more kids who can't shoot
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More city kids can shoot now that stop and frisk is not allowed.
 
Can somebody please tell me what you would have done differently today?

The only thing I would have done differently is not played Hooper so much. I didn't put much worth in his garbage time performance, but would have given him as much playing time. He shot 1-5 in 18 minutes, and although I do think he is a basketball player who can pass and handle the ball decently, he hasn't shown he can shoot with any pressure on him whatsoever. You can't prove to me that as bad as Branch has been, that Hooper merits 18 minutes to Branch's 8.

Other than that, we played decent defense today, at least if you go by Villanova's shooting %. We did lose the boards 42-31, and I guess when you go three guards, that will happen. I would have started pointer and not Greene. That point hardly mattered since our front line of Sanchez and Sampson immediately got into foul trouble and were not factors from that point out. Once they were in foul trouble, after Obekpa, there aren't any other big men worthy of significant playing time, so we would have gone small anyway.

On offense, we attacked, and attacked, and attacked the hoop. Nova did block 5 shots to our 6, but we were successfully able to penetrate, get relatively easy shots, and draw fouls. As mentioned, we missed so many relatively easy shots, I don't know what Lavin could have done to improve that.

Jordan played reasonably well, and shot 6-14. Surprisingly, as much as he penetrated, he didn't go to the line once. It's amazing how easily he can slash to the basket - he vaguely has the ability of a Monroe to shake free even in heavy traffic and heavily guarded, he gets off the shot he wants.

Harrison: 4-13
Greene: 2-8
Sampson; 4-11
Pointer: 1-8
Hooper: 1-5

Collectively: 12 for 45, 26.6% for players on the floor 123 minutes of the 200 total.

You ask me, two main reasons for the loss are things Lavin or any coach couldn't control: inability to make high percentage shots, and Sampson, Pointer, Sanchez racking up 14 fouls. I thought Sampson and Sanchez were going to have really big games and I think they could have.
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Agree Beast...Regardless of whether one is pro or anti Lavin, don't think there was much, if anything, that he did that contributed to today's loss...

I think he needs to video guy to create a montage of Sampson going for ball fakes over the last 2 years. Let him watch it until he connects the dots...

Think he needs to tell Sanchez that his PT will be predicated on his aggressiveness on the offensive side...he continues to pass up mismatch opportunities
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While he may not have done anything specific to cause us to lose, nor did he do anything down the stretch to put us in a position to win. And make no mistake about it, this was a very winnable game.
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Agree game was winnable and don't think it would be monumental upset...but what do you think he should have done to put us in position to win? I would have liked to see us work to get better shots for Hooper (why he is the guy setting picks is beyond me)
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The reason he is setting the picks is so he rolls off the pick wide open. It has worked a few times.
 
The serial failure of SJU basketball coaches is the direct result of not having (since Jack Kaiser) a strong , competent athletic director, who knows how to run an athletic dept., is given the authority to operate, and is held accountable should he fail. What we don't need is corrupt, megalomaniac school presidents or ex-coaches, no matter how revered, being involved in choosing new coaches. Plenty of other schools get it right.
 
Some guys from New Heights (he wasn't one of them) were at an ND camp this past summer and the proverbial word is that they are very, very interested in signing him.
 
Some guys from New Heights (he wasn't one of them) were at an ND camp this past summer and the proverbial word is that they are very, very interested in signing him.
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Based on his name alone, seems like the perfect fit :)
 
The serial failure of SJU basketball coaches is the direct result of not having (since Jack Kaiser) a strong , competent athletic director, who knows how to run an athletic dept., is given the authority to operate, and is held accountable should he fail. What we don't need is corrupt, megalomaniac school presidents or ex-coaches, no matter how revered, being involved in choosing new coaches. Plenty of other schools get it right.
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I'm curious. Could you list Jack Kaiser's accomplishments. Not trying to be antagonistic, but curious as to what he accomplished as AD while at St. Johns
 
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