Duke Game Thread

[beast of the east]

I

Debilitating loss for SJU.

I think when the book is closed on this season we will look back to this game and see that we had given up 53 innthe first 32 minutes vs Duke and 24 in the last 8 minutes And we will say "that's where we lost the chance to right the ship this season."

I think that it's absurd that our conference record is 2-4 based on the way we played for the majority of this game. We had a top 5 team on the ropes the whole day, so the 2-4 conference record is a reflection on an inept coach. We ca t finish games because our guys get tired. Same thing happened vs Nova. I know, I am rehashing but this goes to Lavin recruiting 6 big east players (and I don't even think we can call Phil Greene a BE player).

For once I cant say the refs did a bad job. They actually gave us the gift three pointer befor half where the shot clock expired. Even Ray Charles can see that.

So now we play out the string. Yes there's still 12 games plus the BET but this team is too inconsistent despite the talent being there to offer any hope of a resurgence this year. We prob go to Creighton and lose Wednesday. They are due for a win and have been close on a few occasions. Is there a team other than us they are happier to see?

I feel for the kids. they play their hearts out especially Harrison and Pointer. Jordan is brilliant then he commits a critical foul when a Duke player is shooting a three and he also completely disappeared second half and comitttedfour turnovers. NBA ready my ass. Obekpa today too ZERO blocks. He better not go pro either. Not ready. Oakafor was way superior today.

So it was a great performance for 32 minutes with the ending we all wish never happened. I would've been happier with my 98-71 prediction I wouldn't be this frustrated at least.

Disagree. With pretty much everything you said.

Today was a chance to get a signature win we desperately needed and we had a double digit lead with eight minutes to go and lost. That's the reality. With losses against nova the zags butler the hall and now Duke it's time to start winning these games if we are gonna make a push. We can't be happy with a close game against Duke. We should've won 100% today and we blew it. moral victories will get us to the NIT or less at this point.

1. When the season began, were we supposed to win this game?
2. When we went off at 11-1, were we supposed to win this game?
3. When Harrison got hurt, could you expect we'd even be in the game?

i'll answer for you - 1. No 2. No 3. No

Today would have been a phenomenal win for this year's edition, but if Harrison's injury is affecting his play, no one in their right mind could expect a win today.

Any questions?

Agreed beast but now that we have dug a 2-4 hole in the league this would've been a great win for our resume and it was ours for the taking. I think it would've set us on a run alla 2011.

Relax, Avon. Play like this vs. Creighton, and we are almost out of the hole. This team has some guts, and a few guys who can play with anyone. I do believe we will be heard from.

 

[beast of the east]

Sadly their will be a plaque at the Garden commemorating this great feat by Coack K showing St. John's as the loser. Garden is happy that this happened here in the Worlds Greatest Arena. Maybe they'll hang a banner next to Looie's 526

Before it's all said and done, Billy Joel's banner will be a higher number than Carnesecca's

 

[Class of 72]

I

Debilitating loss for SJU.

I think when the book is closed on this season we will look back to this game and see that we had given up 53 innthe first 32 minutes vs Duke and 24 in the last 8 minutes And we will say "that's where we lost the chance to right the ship this season."

I think that it's absurd that our conference record is 2-4 based on the way we played for the majority of this game. We had a top 5 team on the ropes the whole day, so the 2-4 conference record is a reflection on an inept coach. We ca t finish games because our guys get tired. Same thing happened vs Nova. I know, I am rehashing but this goes to Lavin recruiting 6 big east players (and I don't even think we can call Phil Greene a BE player).

For once I cant say the refs did a bad job. They actually gave us the gift three pointer befor half where the shot clock expired. Even Ray Charles can see that.

So now we play out the string. Yes there's still 12 games plus the BET but this team is too inconsistent despite the talent being there to offer any hope of a resurgence this year. We prob go to Creighton and lose Wednesday. They are due for a win and have been close on a few occasions. Is there a team other than us they are happier to see?

I feel for the kids. they play their hearts out especially Harrison and Pointer. Jordan is brilliant then he commits a critical foul when a Duke player is shooting a three and he also completely disappeared second half and comitttedfour turnovers. NBA ready my ass. Obekpa today too ZERO blocks. He better not go pro either. Not ready. Oakafor was way superior today.

So it was a great performance for 32 minutes with the ending we all wish never happened. I would've been happier with my 98-71 prediction I wouldn't be this frustrated at least.

Disagree. With pretty much everything you said.

Today was a chance to get a signature win we desperately needed and we had a double digit lead with eight minutes to go and lost. That's the reality. With losses against nova the zags butler the hall and now Duke it's time to start winning these games if we are gonna make a push. We can't be happy with a close game against Duke. We should've won 100% today and we blew it. moral victories will get us to the NIT or less at this point.

1. When the season began, were we supposed to win this game?
2. When we went off at 11-1, were we supposed to win this game?
3. When Harrison got hurt, could you expect we'd even be in the game?

i'll answer for you - 1. No 2. No 3. No

Today would have been a phenomenal win for this year's edition, but if Harrison's injury is affecting his play, no one in their right mind could expect a win today.

Any questions?

Beast, folks on message boards are the only ones saying Harrison's poor shooting is being caused by a minor calf injury. He is not saying it and neither are the coaches. I think he is just having bad games. As for Duke, I am not impressed. This team is very vulnerable and the Miami beatdown at Cameron proves my point. Even our much maligned redmen should have won this game with a little smarter shot selection and perimeter defense. Okafor did not beat us today the Duke guards did!!

 

[SJUalum98]

This one hurts. WE had this one and we ran out of steam. The "inadvertent" whistle killed us too, along with a couple of favorable foul calls around the same time.

I had to shut it off, I can't watch them celebrate.

Yeah Guinness, yeah the same shit with Villanova. Up 2 with 10min lose by 18.
Up 61-51, then we stop scoring, we had this damn game, if they could just play for 40minutes.
It really just eats my up.

Oh well, back to B.E. business, they NEED to win these next two games in the worst way.

Duke had eight players play 10 or more minutes. Anyone who thinks the lack of depth doesn't hurt us is lost.

Lack of depth didn't decide the game.

 

[simplyred]

Sadly their will be a plaque at the Garden commemorating this great feat by Coack K showing St. John's as the loser. Garden is happy that this happened here in the Worlds Greatest Arena. Maybe they'll hang a banner next to Looie's 526

They should give us a break on rent for letting it happen there.

 

[redfan259999888]

I

Debilitating loss for SJU.

I think when the book is closed on this season we will look back to this game and see that we had given up 53 innthe first 32 minutes vs Duke and 24 in the last 8 minutes And we will say "that's where we lost the chance to right the ship this season."

I think that it's absurd that our conference record is 2-4 based on the way we played for the majority of this game. We had a top 5 team on the ropes the whole day, so the 2-4 conference record is a reflection on an inept coach. We ca t finish games because our guys get tired. Same thing happened vs Nova. I know, I am rehashing but this goes to Lavin recruiting 6 big east players (and I don't even think we can call Phil Greene a BE player).

For once I cant say the refs did a bad job. They actually gave us the gift three pointer befor half where the shot clock expired. Even Ray Charles can see that.

So now we play out the string. Yes there's still 12 games plus the BET but this team is too inconsistent despite the talent being there to offer any hope of a resurgence this year. We prob go to Creighton and lose Wednesday. They are due for a win and have been close on a few occasions. Is there a team other than us they are happier to see?

I feel for the kids. they play their hearts out especially Harrison and Pointer. Jordan is brilliant then he commits a critical foul when a Duke player is shooting a three and he also completely disappeared second half and comitttedfour turnovers. NBA ready my ass. Obekpa today too ZERO blocks. He better not go pro either. Not ready. Oakafor was way superior today.

So it was a great performance for 32 minutes with the ending we all wish never happened. I would've been happier with my 98-71 prediction I wouldn't be this frustrated at least.

Disagree. With pretty much everything you said.

Today was a chance to get a signature win we desperately needed and we had a double digit lead with eight minutes to go and lost. That's the reality. With losses against nova the zags butler the hall and now Duke it's time to start winning these games if we are gonna make a push. We can't be happy with a close game against Duke. We should've won 100% today and we blew it. moral victories will get us to the NIT or less at this point.

1. When the season began, were we supposed to win this game?
2. When we went off at 11-1, were we supposed to win this game?
3. When Harrison got hurt, could you expect we'd even be in the game?

i'll answer for you - 1. No 2. No 3. No

Today would have been a phenomenal win for this year's edition, but if Harrison's injury is affecting his play, no one in their right mind could expect a win today.

Any questions?

No Beast, but with 10minutes to go, and a 10pnt lead. We almost f'ing had it.
Oh what could have been, that's what get me so crazy.

I know. Me too.

But if we are honest with ourselves, we were all watching the clock tick interminably slowly and hoping we'd hold on to win, rather than believing we'd blast them out onto 7th Avenue.

Not quite the Holiday Festival 75 game vs. Indiana, but our guys didn't back down one bit, and for 80% of the game outplayed Duke and gave them everything they could handle. I'm proud of our guys.

Asking your opinion. We battled and outplayed those bastards for 30minites.
Do you think that we got tight at the end, because they knew they were so close, and maybe that's why we didn't get any baskets.
Or.
We played like we did the whole game, but the ball just wouldn't go in?

 

[monte]

This one hurts. WE had this one and we ran out of steam. The "inadvertent" whistle killed us too, along with a couple of favorable foul calls around the same time.

I had to shut it off, I can't watch them celebrate.

Yeah Guinness, yeah the same shit with Villanova. Up 2 with 10min lose by 18.
Up 61-51, then we stop scoring, we had this damn game, if they could just play for 40minutes.
It really just eats my up.

Oh well, back to B.E. business, they NEED to win these next two games in the worst way.

Duke had eight players play 10 or more minutes. Anyone who thinks the lack of depth doesn't hurt us is lost.

We have depth. We just didn't use it

Beast there's not one guy on our bench who can be used as anything more than a stopgap measure for a minute or two, especially against upper echelon teams like Duke or Nova. Against a much lesser team we can occasionally get some contributions from AA and maybe Stewart, but we've still really got no one that we can count on except Branch. And even Branch has been relegated to being somewhat of a stopgap type of player.

 

[Avon Barksdale]

I

Debilitating loss for SJU.

I think when the book is closed on this season we will look back to this game and see that we had given up 53 innthe first 32 minutes vs Duke and 24 in the last 8 minutes And we will say "that's where we lost the chance to right the ship this season."

I think that it's absurd that our conference record is 2-4 based on the way we played for the majority of this game. We had a top 5 team on the ropes the whole day, so the 2-4 conference record is a reflection on an inept coach. We ca t finish games because our guys get tired. Same thing happened vs Nova. I know, I am rehashing but this goes to Lavin recruiting 6 big east players (and I don't even think we can call Phil Greene a BE player).

For once I cant say the refs did a bad job. They actually gave us the gift three pointer befor half where the shot clock expired. Even Ray Charles can see that.

So now we play out the string. Yes there's still 12 games plus the BET but this team is too inconsistent despite the talent being there to offer any hope of a resurgence this year. We prob go to Creighton and lose Wednesday. They are due for a win and have been close on a few occasions. Is there a team other than us they are happier to see?

I feel for the kids. they play their hearts out especially Harrison and Pointer. Jordan is brilliant then he commits a critical foul when a Duke player is shooting a three and he also completely disappeared second half and comitttedfour turnovers. NBA ready my ass. Obekpa today too ZERO blocks. He better not go pro either. Not ready. Oakafor was way superior today.

So it was a great performance for 32 minutes with the ending we all wish never happened. I would've been happier with my 98-71 prediction I wouldn't be this frustrated at least.

Disagree. With pretty much everything you said.

Today was a chance to get a signature win we desperately needed and we had a double digit lead with eight minutes to go and lost. That's the reality. With losses against nova the zags butler the hall and now Duke it's time to start winning these games if we are gonna make a push. We can't be happy with a close game against Duke. We should've won 100% today and we blew it. moral victories will get us to the NIT or less at this point.

1. When the season began, were we supposed to win this game?
2. When we went off at 11-1, were we supposed to win this game?
3. When Harrison got hurt, could you expect we'd even be in the game?

i'll answer for you - 1. No 2. No 3. No

Today would have been a phenomenal win for this year's edition, but if Harrison's injury is affecting his play, no one in their right mind could expect a win today.

Any questions?

Beast, folks on message boards are the only ones saying Harrison's poor shooting is being caused by a minor calf injury. He is not saying it and neither are the coaches. I think he is just having bad games. As for Duke, I am not impressed. This team is very vulnerable and the Miami beatdown at Cameron proves my point. Even our much maligned redmen should have won this game with a little smarter shot selection and perimeter defense. Okafor did not beat us today the Duke guards did!!

@KieranDarcy: Steve Lavin says D'Angelo Harrison has shoulder injury, in addition to calf. But Harrison made no excuses, said he's 100 percent. #sjubb

 

[beast of the east]

I

Debilitating loss for SJU.

I think when the book is closed on this season we will look back to this game and see that we had given up 53 innthe first 32 minutes vs Duke and 24 in the last 8 minutes And we will say "that's where we lost the chance to right the ship this season."

I think that it's absurd that our conference record is 2-4 based on the way we played for the majority of this game. We had a top 5 team on the ropes the whole day, so the 2-4 conference record is a reflection on an inept coach. We ca t finish games because our guys get tired. Same thing happened vs Nova. I know, I am rehashing but this goes to Lavin recruiting 6 big east players (and I don't even think we can call Phil Greene a BE player).

For once I cant say the refs did a bad job. They actually gave us the gift three pointer befor half where the shot clock expired. Even Ray Charles can see that.

So now we play out the string. Yes there's still 12 games plus the BET but this team is too inconsistent despite the talent being there to offer any hope of a resurgence this year. We prob go to Creighton and lose Wednesday. They are due for a win and have been close on a few occasions. Is there a team other than us they are happier to see?

I feel for the kids. they play their hearts out especially Harrison and Pointer. Jordan is brilliant then he commits a critical foul when a Duke player is shooting a three and he also completely disappeared second half and comitttedfour turnovers. NBA ready my ass. Obekpa today too ZERO blocks. He better not go pro either. Not ready. Oakafor was way superior today.

So it was a great performance for 32 minutes with the ending we all wish never happened. I would've been happier with my 98-71 prediction I wouldn't be this frustrated at least.

Disagree. With pretty much everything you said.

Today was a chance to get a signature win we desperately needed and we had a double digit lead with eight minutes to go and lost. That's the reality. With losses against nova the zags butler the hall and now Duke it's time to start winning these games if we are gonna make a push. We can't be happy with a close game against Duke. We should've won 100% today and we blew it. moral victories will get us to the NIT or less at this point.

1. When the season began, were we supposed to win this game?
2. When we went off at 11-1, were we supposed to win this game?
3. When Harrison got hurt, could you expect we'd even be in the game?

i'll answer for you - 1. No 2. No 3. No

Today would have been a phenomenal win for this year's edition, but if Harrison's injury is affecting his play, no one in their right mind could expect a win today.

Any questions?

No Beast, but with 10minutes to go, and a 10pnt lead. We almost f'ing had it.
Oh what could have been, that's what get me so crazy.

I know. Me too.

But if we are honest with ourselves, we were all watching the clock tick interminably slowly and hoping we'd hold on to win, rather than believing we'd blast them out onto 7th Avenue.

Not quite the Holiday Festival 75 game vs. Indiana, but our guys didn't back down one bit, and for 80% of the game outplayed Duke and gave them everything they could handle. I'm proud of our guys.

Asking your opinion. We battled and outplayed those bastards for 30minites.
Do you think that we got tight at the end, because they knew they were so close, and maybe that's why we didn't get any baskets.
Or.
We played like we did the whole game, but the ball just wouldn't go in?

This season our only reliable money player had been Harrison. Whether injury or just cold, he's not money right now, not even small change. The rest of our guys are streaky. They aren't capable of getting that "stop the bleeding basket", and all went cold at the same time. You can chalk it up to Duke's experience, but even during the 15-1 run I didn't believe we were getting overrun, and that it was more our inability to make a basket rather than Duke going on a tear. I could be wrong, but losing was our doing more than Duke tightening the screws in crunch time.

 

[monte]

I

Debilitating loss for SJU.

I think when the book is closed on this season we will look back to this game and see that we had given up 53 innthe first 32 minutes vs Duke and 24 in the last 8 minutes And we will say "that's where we lost the chance to right the ship this season."

I think that it's absurd that our conference record is 2-4 based on the way we played for the majority of this game. We had a top 5 team on the ropes the whole day, so the 2-4 conference record is a reflection on an inept coach. We ca t finish games because our guys get tired. Same thing happened vs Nova. I know, I am rehashing but this goes to Lavin recruiting 6 big east players (and I don't even think we can call Phil Greene a BE player).

For once I cant say the refs did a bad job. They actually gave us the gift three pointer befor half where the shot clock expired. Even Ray Charles can see that.

So now we play out the string. Yes there's still 12 games plus the BET but this team is too inconsistent despite the talent being there to offer any hope of a resurgence this year. We prob go to Creighton and lose Wednesday. They are due for a win and have been close on a few occasions. Is there a team other than us they are happier to see?

I feel for the kids. they play their hearts out especially Harrison and Pointer. Jordan is brilliant then he commits a critical foul when a Duke player is shooting a three and he also completely disappeared second half and comitttedfour turnovers. NBA ready my ass. Obekpa today too ZERO blocks. He better not go pro either. Not ready. Oakafor was way superior today.

So it was a great performance for 32 minutes with the ending we all wish never happened. I would've been happier with my 98-71 prediction I wouldn't be this frustrated at least.

Disagree. With pretty much everything you said.

Today was a chance to get a signature win we desperately needed and we had a double digit lead with eight minutes to go and lost. That's the reality. With losses against nova the zags butler the hall and now Duke it's time to start winning these games if we are gonna make a push. We can't be happy with a close game against Duke. We should've won 100% today and we blew it. moral victories will get us to the NIT or less at this point.

1. When the season began, were we supposed to win this game?
2. When we went off at 11-1, were we supposed to win this game?
3. When Harrison got hurt, could you expect we'd even be in the game?

i'll answer for you - 1. No 2. No 3. No

Today would have been a phenomenal win for this year's edition, but if Harrison's injury is affecting his play, no one in their right mind could expect a win today.

Any questions?

Beast, folks on message boards are the only ones saying Harrison's poor shooting is being caused by a minor calf injury. He is not saying it and neither are the coaches. I think he is just having bad games. As for Duke, I am not impressed. This team is very vulnerable and the Miami beatdown at Cameron proves my point. Even our much maligned redmen should have won this game with a little smarter shot selection and perimeter defense. Okafor did not beat us today the Duke guards did!!

Just having bad games? Have you watched him? He can't elevate on his shot. He just barely hits the front of the rim on many shots. He can't take his first quick step from the top of the key. The step which usually results in him either getting to the rim, getting fouled or both. He's not racing up and down the court like he usually does. There's other telltale signs. That's not a slump, thats an injury. I don't care what anyone says or doesn't say.

 

[beast of the east]

This one hurts. WE had this one and we ran out of steam. The "inadvertent" whistle killed us too, along with a couple of favorable foul calls around the same time.

I had to shut it off, I can't watch them celebrate.

Yeah Guinness, yeah the same shit with Villanova. Up 2 with 10min lose by 18.
Up 61-51, then we stop scoring, we had this damn game, if they could just play for 40minutes.
It really just eats my up.

Oh well, back to B.E. business, they NEED to win these next two games in the worst way.

Duke had eight players play 10 or more minutes. Anyone who thinks the lack of depth doesn't hurt us is lost.

We have depth. We just didn't use it

Beast there's not one guy on our bench who can be used as anything more than a stopgap measure for a minute or two, especially against upper echelon teams like Duke or Nova. Against a much lesser team we can occasionally get some contributions from AA and maybe Stewart, but we've still really got no one that we can count on except Branch. And even Branch has been relegated to being somewhat of a stopgap type of player.

Mostly agree, but Branch has had his moments, and I do believe Amar is more than just a minutes burner. I felt that he was the perfect guy to negate Plumlee and maybe could have even drained a shot or two given the chance.

 

[MJDinkins]

This season our only reliable money player had been Harrison. Whether injury or just cold, he's not money right now, not even small change. The rest of our guys are streaky. They aren't capable of getting that "stop the bleeding basket", and all went cold at the same time. You can chalk it up to Duke's experience, but even during the 15-1 run I didn't believe we were getting overrun, and that it was more our inability to make a basket rather than Duke going on a tear. I could be wrong, but losing was our doing more than Duke tightening the screws in crunch time.

Your entire post is my line of thinking, as well.

 

[TRabinowitz]

I

Debilitating loss for SJU.

I think when the book is closed on this season we will look back to this game and see that we had given up 53 innthe first 32 minutes vs Duke and 24 in the last 8 minutes And we will say "that's where we lost the chance to right the ship this season."

I think that it's absurd that our conference record is 2-4 based on the way we played for the majority of this game. We had a top 5 team on the ropes the whole day, so the 2-4 conference record is a reflection on an inept coach. We ca t finish games because our guys get tired. Same thing happened vs Nova. I know, I am rehashing but this goes to Lavin recruiting 6 big east players (and I don't even think we can call Phil Greene a BE player).

For once I cant say the refs did a bad job. They actually gave us the gift three pointer befor half where the shot clock expired. Even Ray Charles can see that.

So now we play out the string. Yes there's still 12 games plus the BET but this team is too inconsistent despite the talent being there to offer any hope of a resurgence this year. We prob go to Creighton and lose Wednesday. They are due for a win and have been close on a few occasions. Is there a team other than us they are happier to see?

I feel for the kids. they play their hearts out especially Harrison and Pointer. Jordan is brilliant then he commits a critical foul when a Duke player is shooting a three and he also completely disappeared second half and comitttedfour turnovers. NBA ready my ass. Obekpa today too ZERO blocks. He better not go pro either. Not ready. Oakafor was way superior today.

So it was a great performance for 32 minutes with the ending we all wish never happened. I would've been happier with my 98-71 prediction I wouldn't be this frustrated at least.

Thought you'd emerge and knew you'd be happy.
Lavin probably saved his job today so you and your boys can remain angry for many years to come.
Thanks for dropping by.

Make sure u tweet that sweetie. You've done well with that.

Still pissed I was correct Jordan?

Right it's too bad he transferred.

Thank God we had a guy that looked just like him playing today.

He was history and got talked out of it.
You question my Diallo tweet from last month at the PC game?

I didn't see ur Diallo tweet I hope it's good news for the program. But if u think today's game saved Lavin's job you are mistaken. It's already a done deal and SJU cannot afford to continue paying his salary and his staff's salaries. They are in the jay wright/jt3 area and we don't get those results. hes out.

If you are going to come on here and make those statements about Lavin's job, please cite your sources. Or stop with the rumor mongering. It's not very ethical.

He shouldn't have to cite $hit. People come on here all the time and spout rumors about 17 year old recruits and you don't ask em to name their sources.

Yes, he is calling for the head of a BASKETBALL COACH that makes $1.5 million dollars. Part of the reason said coach makes $1.5 million is because of public scrutiny that comes with the position. He also has a very well compensated staff compared to a huge part of the business, so do not feel sorry for Steve Lavin. This is a results business.

 

[newsman13]

DooK thoughts:http://www.bigeastboards.com/

One of your best rants ever.

These asides...It's sad that Harrison will be the equivalent of Ernie "Mr. Cub" Banks, who never saw a playoff game during his wonderful career, and Duke toyed with us the way a cat toys with the mouse that'll next be seen leaving the feline's sphincter a few hours later.

 

[beast of the east]

I

Debilitating loss for SJU.

I think when the book is closed on this season we will look back to this game and see that we had given up 53 innthe first 32 minutes vs Duke and 24 in the last 8 minutes And we will say "that's where we lost the chance to right the ship this season."

I think that it's absurd that our conference record is 2-4 based on the way we played for the majority of this game. We had a top 5 team on the ropes the whole day, so the 2-4 conference record is a reflection on an inept coach. We ca t finish games because our guys get tired. Same thing happened vs Nova. I know, I am rehashing but this goes to Lavin recruiting 6 big east players (and I don't even think we can call Phil Greene a BE player).

For once I cant say the refs did a bad job. They actually gave us the gift three pointer befor half where the shot clock expired. Even Ray Charles can see that.

So now we play out the string. Yes there's still 12 games plus the BET but this team is too inconsistent despite the talent being there to offer any hope of a resurgence this year. We prob go to Creighton and lose Wednesday. They are due for a win and have been close on a few occasions. Is there a team other than us they are happier to see?

I feel for the kids. they play their hearts out especially Harrison and Pointer. Jordan is brilliant then he commits a critical foul when a Duke player is shooting a three and he also completely disappeared second half and comitttedfour turnovers. NBA ready my ass. Obekpa today too ZERO blocks. He better not go pro either. Not ready. Oakafor was way superior today.

So it was a great performance for 32 minutes with the ending we all wish never happened. I would've been happier with my 98-71 prediction I wouldn't be this frustrated at least.

Disagree. With pretty much everything you said.

Today was a chance to get a signature win we desperately needed and we had a double digit lead with eight minutes to go and lost. That's the reality. With losses against nova the zags butler the hall and now Duke it's time to start winning these games if we are gonna make a push. We can't be happy with a close game against Duke. We should've won 100% today and we blew it. moral victories will get us to the NIT or less at this point.

1. When the season began, were we supposed to win this game?
2. When we went off at 11-1, were we supposed to win this game?
3. When Harrison got hurt, could you expect we'd even be in the game?

i'll answer for you - 1. No 2. No 3. No

Today would have been a phenomenal win for this year's edition, but if Harrison's injury is affecting his play, no one in their right mind could expect a win today.

Any questions?

Beast, folks on message boards are the only ones saying Harrison's poor shooting is being caused by a minor calf injury. He is not saying it and neither are the coaches. I think he is just having bad games. As for Duke, I am not impressed. This team is very vulnerable and the Miami beatdown at Cameron proves my point. Even our much maligned redmen should have won this game with a little smarter shot selection and perimeter defense. Okafor did not beat us today the Duke guards did!!

@KieranDarcy: Steve Lavin says D'Angelo Harrison has shoulder injury, in addition to calf. But Harrison made no excuses, said he's 100 percent. #sjubb

I kind of get the feeling that if I rode the subway through the worst neighborhoods in the city with JDR and ADR, I'd be as safe as gold in Fort Knox. But if I rode with Harrison, he'd get beaten half to death before he let one of his friends get hurt. Everything we know about the guy we see right now as a senior is admirable, including no excuses.

 

[redfazed]

For anyone who thinks the lack of depth wasn’t a problem today, here are the bench stats for each team:

Duke bench:
55 minutes
10 points
15 rebounds


SJU bench:
15 minutes
0 points
1 rebound

I rest my case.

 

[monte]

This one hurts. WE had this one and we ran out of steam. The "inadvertent" whistle killed us too, along with a couple of favorable foul calls around the same time.

I had to shut it off, I can't watch them celebrate.

Yeah Guinness, yeah the same shit with Villanova. Up 2 with 10min lose by 18.
Up 61-51, then we stop scoring, we had this damn game, if they could just play for 40minutes.
It really just eats my up.

Oh well, back to B.E. business, they NEED to win these next two games in the worst way.

Duke had eight players play 10 or more minutes. Anyone who thinks the lack of depth doesn't hurt us is lost.

We have depth. We just didn't use it

Beast there's not one guy on our bench who can be used as anything more than a stopgap measure for a minute or two, especially against upper echelon teams like Duke or Nova. Against a much lesser team we can occasionally get some contributions from AA and maybe Stewart, but we've still really got no one that we can count on except Branch. And even Branch has been relegated to being somewhat of a stopgap type of player.

Mostly agree, but Branch has had his moments, and I do believe Amar is more than just a minutes burner. I felt that he was the perfect guy to negate Plumlee and maybe could have even drained a shot or two given the chance.

Agree Branch has had his moments. As for Amar, maybe I'm the one who's missing something, but I just don't see him having the athleticism/quickness to stay with the quicker big men nor the strength to stay with the bigger /stronger ones. He's got a nice stroke but I don't see him being able to get his shot off very easily. Again maybe I'm missing something(hope I am), but I am not nearly as high on him as many others are.

 

[Section3]

J

Dom is becoming one of my favorite Johnnies. Lavin better start using the bench more,or we are going to run out of gas the last 5 minutes and loose games we should win. DLO played too many minutes w his injury. A good game overall, but not a happy ending.

Dom was our player of the game (along with Jordan)...but, if i were Lavin I would tell him to take it to the hoop every time he gets it at the foul line against zone...too much hesitation...he could have scored 30 today...

terrfic game by a rapidly improving player

 

[MJDinkins]

For anyone who thinks the lack of depth wasn’t a problem today, here are the bench stats for each team:

Duke bench:
55 minutes
10 points
15 rebounds


SJU bench:
15 minutes
0 points
1 rebound

I rest my case.

Stats can also be deceiving. The only case you rested was your opinion.

I, and a few others on here saw the game differently. Personally, the bench, or lack of, wasn't the issue. Again.... Our opinion.

An injured or off Harrison was the difference, IMO.

 

[monte]

For anyone who thinks the lack of depth wasn’t a problem today, here are the bench stats for each team:

Duke bench:
55 minutes
10 points
15 rebounds


SJU bench:
15 minutes
0 points
1 rebound

I rest my case.

Stats aren't everything