And here is the obvious issue I think generally people in our area have...When can we look to someone to lead us who is BOTH progressive/wants equal opportunity for everyone and won't tax me up the butt for the work I do day in and day out. System is failing us all because you can't have both.
Donald Trump's Acceptance Speech
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What is really great about statistics is that many times you can interpret them however you wish, and oftentimes flat out misrepresent the raw data completely. Illegal immigration has a corollary relationship to successful economies, and as such peaked before the 2007 economic meltdown. At that point, many illegals simply went home, and many others didn't come at all. With the economy failing to reach 3% growth in any year of this administration, the influx of illegals has been tempered, not by any administrative action. Still the numbers all been in the same range as the peak of 12.2 million in 2007, with 11.3, 11.5, 11.2, and 11.3 million per year. All the political rhetoric from the left is "come here, you are welcome" and mistruths such as "They do jobs no American wants to do". Tell that to an inner city black young man who is one of the 40% unemployed that he wouldn't want to become a carpenter, electrician, stone mason and make $200 per day off the books tax free.
In terms of gun homicides, the number declined precipitously 1990s, from a high of approximately 7 deaths per 100,000 in population to about 3.8/100K in 2001. By 2010 the numbers declined very slightly, to 3.6. In 2016 in almost all large cities, the numbers are up considerably.
Donald Trump turned the tables on all Republican candidates by differentiating himself from other candidates by playing into the electorates worst fears about America. Some of the comments were incredibly offense, some were off base, and some were crazy. But, like a successful candidate, the general election is a pivot towards the moderates. Hillary Clinton has nothing in common with Tim Kaine, but he is there to help deliver the moderate votes of independents. In the primaries she campaigned to the left of Obama, and would have campaigned to the left of Karl Marx if she thought it would win votes. Trump chose Pence to mollify party conservatives and help unify the party. He invited all 15 primary opponents to the RNC, and many chose to stay home. That was very unfortunate because Republicans, like all politicians have forgotten that the party belongs to the people not those in power, and the people had spoken. Anyone who truly believes that cartoon character Trump who dominated the primaries is the same personna that built a multi billion dollar corporation, you are mistaken.
As for Obama, you may have thrown in that oil production is up in the US, as he rightly claimed. What he forgot to mention is that all of the permits were issued by GWB, and he had denied all permits while in office.
But you are right. Both candidates are sorely defective. Hillary has lied at every turn, and listening to Bill Clinton tell the love story of Bill and Hillary was laughable last night. I really had the feeling he was going to slip and say, "She had this big beautiful blonde hair" as he did, bu then slip and say, "Man Ivanka looks hot in those tight dresses"
According to who? And why? So you think the country is in a better place now than when Obama took office? And again, I would ask the same after Bush and his cronies were done pillaging. And you know what, Trump IS trading on the fears people have, but that doesn't change the fact that those fears are legitimate.
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The "Them" you referenced to are not the them I referred to in my post. Believe what you wish but whomever is President will not affect the " targeted" Syrian "families" that are being vetted. None and I repeat NONE of the Islamic single men entering Europe with forged papers or none at all are the true Syrian families being considered for entry into the United States. I think peace loving immigrants of all backgrounds will always be welcomed in America regardless of what bullshit political party is in control. What is going on in Europe is very different. Most of those fleeing illegally to Europe are economic gypsy wanderers. Men looking for jobs, welfare and in many cases criminals using refugees as camouflage. Thousands of Afghan men have made their way to Germany and Sweden whilst passing through Pakistan, Iran, Turkey and yes, Syria, to blend with Syrians. These future welfare recipients did not stop in Pakistan, Iran or Turkey because they would not receive those welfare benefits from those countries. They are economic refugees taking advantage of religious extremism in their countries to illegally cross borders. They are not the political refugees the USA is looking at as possible settlers.
BTW, I did not say I was voting for Hillary.
So Europe is getting "economic refugees" terrorizing their villages and we are getting "political refugees" as "possible settlers." And you know this how; by that stringent vetting process we put in place to separate the good, the bad, and the ugly? Trump, btw, is far from a nut job, he is crazy like a fox. I would think many are going to vote for him like I am, very reluctantly, wishing for a better choice but realizing he offers a chance, albeit maybe a small one, to break up or at least shake up the elite cabal that thinks going to "Harvard" and being elected to Washington gives them the right to tell people what to think, what to say and not say, that laws of the land can be circumvented by executive order, etc. Enough inane political correctness, enough of the Nixon, Bush, Obama, Clinton clutches at "quasi dictatorship." It may be a small chance but it is a chance, a gamble I am willing to take because I know the pile of crap the Washington ruling class is selling; been smelling it for decades; been paying my share for it pretty much as long.
Logen, et al, you should do due diligence before believing any of Mr. Trump's rhetoric. It is truly a sad state our country is in when a con artist can get the Republican nomination. He proposes building a wall along the Mexican border to keep Latinos out of America. He criticizes our trade relationship with China yet contracts with them to fabricate Trump products. He is in bed with the Chinese to the extent he wants to copy their great Wall! Every year Mexican migrants have less reason to enter the United States since American and German companies have created huge economic growth zones in Northern Mexico, and around Monterey in particular. Those that do cross the border are the poorest of the poor and least educated who mow your lawn and deliver your food. Those causing havoc in France and Germany are young Muslims, non of whom claim "political asylum" when they get to Turkey, Italy or Greece. They are illegal invaders!
According to data from the State Department’s Refugee Processing Center, more than 3 million refugees in total have arrived in the U.S. since 1975. That's 3 million refugees in over 40 years. Europe has received over 3 million in TWO years alone.
Of the more than 40,000 refugees who have been admitted to the United States so far in 2016, the largest numbers have come from Burma (Myanmar), the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Somalia.
The U.S. Code defines a refugee as any person outside of the U.S. that is of special humanitarian concern to the U.S. and “has a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.” Refugees are different from asylum seekers, who meet the same definition but are already residing in the U.S. or pursuing admission at a port of entry (like the U.S.-Mexican border), according to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.
More recently, the ongoing conflict in Syria has displaced six-in-ten Syrians, or 12.5 million, from their homes, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of global refugee data. In September 2015, the Obama administration set a goal of resettling 10,000 Syrian refugees in the U.S. over the coming year. To date, just over 2,800 Syrian refugees have settled in the U.S., representing 7% of the refugees entering the country this year.
Fyi: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/17/where-refugees-to-the-u-s-come-from/
As for "economic" refugees please read the following.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...al-immigrants-deported-Greece-Turkey-Schengen
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As erudite as you are you also realize that those distributing the wealth are the top 2% of the wealthiest Americans who own almost ALL the large companies in America who actively send their manufacturing jobs to China, Mexico, India and our old allies Vietnam, Cambodia and soon Cuba. Our representatives in the Congress and Senate eagerly accept Chinese perks when approving trade deals. The back of my Trump tie says "Made in China". As for Obama, I am sure after his presidency he will make millions working with Cuban entrepreneurs and delivering speeches at BLM events.
IMO, Bernie Sanders was the only candidate who promised a real revolution but the old man was shooting blanks and our poor rebellious youth bought the bait, hook, line and sinker.
I think we can all agree we are totally screwed. Beast you are right, the statistics can be put in any sort of prism to sound favorable to any argument. Logen, I can't say for sure that Obama has left us in better shape. He's made some fatal mistakes IMO. But I also think he gets a bad rap for things out of his control.
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I would say that the common ground on all political discourse is that nearly all of us believe in and love America, want a brighter future for our kids, a safer world, and are disappointed with our leaders.
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When the President has to spin some yarn about the Russians hacking the DNC server in an attempt to deflect attention from the real matter - how the DNC conspired to make sure Hillary beat Sanders, it reminds you that Obama came out of that Illinois cesspool where Gov. Rod Blagojevich was attempting to sell the Senate seat that eventually went to Obama - for all of 153 days before he declared for the Presidency. Obama for his part was making dirty deals with guys like Tony Rezko in exchange for influence peddling. If only Blago was able to get away with that little caper, Obama would still be a community organizer, presumably organizing protests.
The "Them" you referenced to are not the them I referred to in my post. Believe what you wish but whomever is President will not affect the " targeted" Syrian "families" that are being vetted. None and I repeat NONE of the Islamic single men entering Europe with forged papers or none at all are the true Syrian families being considered for entry into the United States. I think peace loving immigrants of all backgrounds will always be welcomed in America regardless of what bullshit political party is in control. What is going on in Europe is very different. Most of those fleeing illegally to Europe are economic gypsy wanderers. Men looking for jobs, welfare and in many cases criminals using refugees as camouflage. Thousands of Afghan men have made their way to Germany and Sweden whilst passing through Pakistan, Iran, Turkey and yes, Syria, to blend with Syrians. These future welfare recipients did not stop in Pakistan, Iran or Turkey because they would not receive those welfare benefits from those countries. They are economic refugees taking advantage of religious extremism in their countries to illegally cross borders. They are not the political refugees the USA is looking at as possible settlers.
BTW, I did not say I was voting for Hillary.
So Europe is getting "economic refugees" terrorizing their villages and we are getting "political refugees" as "possible settlers." And you know this how; by that stringent vetting process we put in place to separate the good, the bad, and the ugly? Trump, btw, is far from a nut job, he is crazy like a fox. I would think many are going to vote for him like I am, very reluctantly, wishing for a better choice but realizing he offers a chance, albeit maybe a small one, to break up or at least shake up the elite cabal that thinks going to "Harvard" and being elected to Washington gives them the right to tell people what to think, what to say and not say, that laws of the land can be circumvented by executive order, etc. Enough inane political correctness, enough of the Nixon, Bush, Obama, Clinton clutches at "quasi dictatorship." It may be a small chance but it is a chance, a gamble I am willing to take because I know the pile of crap the Washington ruling class is selling; been smelling it for decades; been paying my share for it pretty much as long.
Logen, et al, you should do due diligence before believing any of Mr. Trump's rhetoric. It is truly a sad state our country is in when a con artist can get the Republican nomination. He proposes building a wall along the Mexican border to keep Latinos out of America. He criticizes our trade relationship with China yet contracts with them to fabricate Trump products. He is in bed with the Chinese to the extent he wants to copy their great Wall! Every year Mexican migrants have less reason to enter the United States since American and German companies have created huge economic growth zones in Northern Mexico, and around Monterey in particular. Those that do cross the border are the poorest of the poor and least educated who mow your lawn and deliver your food. Those causing havoc in France and Germany are young Muslims, non of whom claim "political asylum" when they get to Turkey, Italy or Greece. They are illegal invaders!
According to data from the State Department’s Refugee Processing Center, more than 3 million refugees in total have arrived in the U.S. since 1975. That's 3 million refugees in over 40 years. Europe has received over 3 million in TWO years alone.
Of the more than 40,000 refugees who have been admitted to the United States so far in 2016, the largest numbers have come from Burma (Myanmar), the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Somalia.
The U.S. Code defines a refugee as any person outside of the U.S. that is of special humanitarian concern to the U.S. and “has a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.” Refugees are different from asylum seekers, who meet the same definition but are already residing in the U.S. or pursuing admission at a port of entry (like the U.S.-Mexican border), according to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.
More recently, the ongoing conflict in Syria has displaced six-in-ten Syrians, or 12.5 million, from their homes, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of global refugee data. In September 2015, the Obama administration set a goal of resettling 10,000 Syrian refugees in the U.S. over the coming year. To date, just over 2,800 Syrian refugees have settled in the U.S., representing 7% of the refugees entering the country this year.
Fyi: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/17/where-refugees-to-the-u-s-come-from/
As for "economic" refugees please read the following.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...al-immigrants-deported-Greece-Turkey-Schengen
Well, here's my opinion of your "due diligence"; when you are commenting on my posts, read them please; it makes for a much more intelligent exchange. I don't care about your statistics and Pew Research Center, etc. that IMO are just part of the grand con that Washington politics are. You take them at face value with no insight into how they were generated But more importantly how they were manipulated. If you bothered to read my post and attempted to digest it objectively, I am far from "believing any of Mr. Trump's rhetoric." I think he is a horrible choice but he is the only option to an elite ruling class that has succeeded in brainwashing otherwise intelligent people like you into believing they would EVER be part of a solution to this countries problems. They are two sides of the same coin and both have the same agenda, how can I con enough people to vote for me so I can keep on keeping on.
I will vote for Trump for one reason and one reason only; he is not a politician, soul sold before he even gets to Washington. That doesn't mean he will be a good or even mediocre President but at the worst my hope is his election may inspire other non-politicians to run, win and help create a climate conducive to real and meaningful change; I don't think it is a great chance by any means but as mjmaher said, I'll take a small chance over no chance any day.
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The "Them" you referenced to are not the them I referred to in my post. Believe what you wish but whomever is President will not affect the " targeted" Syrian "families" that are being vetted. None and I repeat NONE of the Islamic single men entering Europe with forged papers or none at all are the true Syrian families being considered for entry into the United States. I think peace loving immigrants of all backgrounds will always be welcomed in America regardless of what bullshit political party is in control. What is going on in Europe is very different. Most of those fleeing illegally to Europe are economic gypsy wanderers. Men looking for jobs, welfare and in many cases criminals using refugees as camouflage. Thousands of Afghan men have made their way to Germany and Sweden whilst passing through Pakistan, Iran, Turkey and yes, Syria, to blend with Syrians. These future welfare recipients did not stop in Pakistan, Iran or Turkey because they would not receive those welfare benefits from those countries. They are economic refugees taking advantage of religious extremism in their countries to illegally cross borders. They are not the political refugees the USA is looking at as possible settlers.
BTW, I did not say I was voting for Hillary.
So Europe is getting "economic refugees" terrorizing their villages and we are getting "political refugees" as "possible settlers." And you know this how; by that stringent vetting process we put in place to separate the good, the bad, and the ugly? Trump, btw, is far from a nut job, he is crazy like a fox. I would think many are going to vote for him like I am, very reluctantly, wishing for a better choice but realizing he offers a chance, albeit maybe a small one, to break up or at least shake up the elite cabal that thinks going to "Harvard" and being elected to Washington gives them the right to tell people what to think, what to say and not say, that laws of the land can be circumvented by executive order, etc. Enough inane political correctness, enough of the Nixon, Bush, Obama, Clinton clutches at "quasi dictatorship." It may be a small chance but it is a chance, a gamble I am willing to take because I know the pile of crap the Washington ruling class is selling; been smelling it for decades; been paying my share for it pretty much as long.
Logen, et al, you should do due diligence before believing any of Mr. Trump's rhetoric. It is truly a sad state our country is in when a con artist can get the Republican nomination. He proposes building a wall along the Mexican border to keep Latinos out of America. He criticizes our trade relationship with China yet contracts with them to fabricate Trump products. He is in bed with the Chinese to the extent he wants to copy their great Wall! Every year Mexican migrants have less reason to enter the United States since American and German companies have created huge economic growth zones in Northern Mexico, and around Monterey in particular. Those that do cross the border are the poorest of the poor and least educated who mow your lawn and deliver your food. Those causing havoc in France and Germany are young Muslims, non of whom claim "political asylum" when they get to Turkey, Italy or Greece. They are illegal invaders!
According to data from the State Department’s Refugee Processing Center, more than 3 million refugees in total have arrived in the U.S. since 1975. That's 3 million refugees in over 40 years. Europe has received over 3 million in TWO years alone.
Of the more than 40,000 refugees who have been admitted to the United States so far in 2016, the largest numbers have come from Burma (Myanmar), the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Somalia.
The U.S. Code defines a refugee as any person outside of the U.S. that is of special humanitarian concern to the U.S. and “has a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.” Refugees are different from asylum seekers, who meet the same definition but are already residing in the U.S. or pursuing admission at a port of entry (like the U.S.-Mexican border), according to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.
More recently, the ongoing conflict in Syria has displaced six-in-ten Syrians, or 12.5 million, from their homes, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of global refugee data. In September 2015, the Obama administration set a goal of resettling 10,000 Syrian refugees in the U.S. over the coming year. To date, just over 2,800 Syrian refugees have settled in the U.S., representing 7% of the refugees entering the country this year.
Fyi:
As for "economic" refugees please read the following.
Well, here's my opinion of your "due diligence"; when you are commenting on my posts, read them please; it makes for a much more intelligent exchange. I don't care about your statistics and Pew Research Center, etc. that IMO are just part of the grand con that Washington politics are. You take them at face value with no insight into how they were generated But more importantly how they were manipulated. If you bothered to read my post and attempted to digest it objectively, I am far from "believing any of Mr. Trump's rhetoric." I think he is a horrible choice but he is the only option to an elite ruling class that has succeeded in brainwashing otherwise intelligent people like you into believing they would EVER be part of a solution to this countries problems. They are two sides of the same coin and both have the same agenda, how can I con enough people to vote for me so I can keep on keeping on.
I will vote for Trump for one reason and one reason only; he is not a politician, soul sold before he even gets to Washington. That doesn't mean he will be a good or even mediocre President but at the worst my hope is his election may inspire other non-politicians to run, win and help create a climate conducive to real and meaningful change; I don't think it is a great chance by any means but as mjmaher said, I'll take a small chance over no chance any day.
I am scratching my head so hard at your retort that I now have a bald spot! :silly: :blush: :S
What can I say when you say "If you bothered to read my post and attempted to digest it objectively, I am far from "believing any of Mr. Trump's rhetoric." I think he is a horrible choice".
You also proclaim "I will vote for Trump for one reason and one reason only; he is not a politician, soul sold before he even gets to Washington".
Well my fellow redmen fan I tried to digest your post and got agita!
If you are voting for Trump because he is not a politician but rather an arrogant, obnoxious, egotistical, megalomaniac, deceiving scumbag, then logic has escaped you. AND, surprise surprise, he is now a card carrying suck up to the "party" politician of the worst kind. Not only is he a self described "Ivy League" elitist, he is part of the super wealthy class that has sold America to China for more profits at the expense of the 98% of this country that have to work for a living which likely includes you and 99.9 % of St. John's graduates.
If you think voting for a crook who stiffs people for a living is going to improve conditions in the greatest country on the face of the earth then you should talk to most Trump University graduates, hundreds of vendors and contractors that have not been paid, and you may come to the realization that Trump is just another immoral, repugnant bully of a billionaire just as Silvio Berlusconi is in Italy. Both are long winded but most of what they say just shit-fart stinks.
Finally, for your entertainment, I give you the pro-Trump act ‘USA Freedom Kids’ who would love to sell you their CD, DVD or, in your case, a 8 track recording, but they got royally Drumpted by Trump who in your mind is the "final solution".
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Trump wants to make America Great Again but first he asks his good friend Putin and Russia for a favor:
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Vote Trump!
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You Final Jeopardy answer...
He was the only person in America upset at the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Maybe he should rebrand himself as Miguel Chavez. I hear there's more of the same just north of the global Mason-Dixon