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So much misinformation on this site. Sad to see all the bickering but that is what happens when another Johnnie season seems to be going up in smoke. Surprised Paultzman didn't see any Big East wins this year when last years team won 7.
 
Any fair assessment of Mullin’s coaching has to throw out Season 1 as that was really a function of Lavin’s non existent recruiting . The 2 Transfers ,Simon and Clark are not program changers . Many here built them up as the Players who would take us to the next level . They haven’t yet and they played as poorly today as the rest of the team . They are average players who would have struggled for any PT at their former schools , Arizona and Mich State . Owens suddenly believes he is the best outside shooting option , while forgetting he should be blocking shots and make a effort at rebounding . Ahmed is What he is and we are getting that . Nothing more .
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"The 2 Transfers ,Simon and Clark are not program changers . Many here built them up as the Players who would take us to the next level . They haven’t yet and they played as poorly today as the rest of the team . They are average players who would have struggled for any PT at their former schools , Arizona and Mich State."

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like last year, so many were hyping these 2 up: "oh oh just wait till next year, simon is the real deal, and marvin is gonna help alot." Most of the time when people hype recruits or transfers, they just turn out to be avg players, which is why not when I hear someone being hyped on here, I just laugh.
There's a reason why certain players transfer out of top schools, they can't cut it there.
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I think Simon and Clark have been very good. I’m not sure what made you think they would be “program changers” by themselves. I never heard anybody suggest that.

Neither will be Big East first, second,or third team this year but both are welcome additions and above average players. They are not the problem.
 
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like last year, so many were hyping these 2 up: "oh oh just wait till next year, simon is the real deal, and marvin is gonna help alot." Most of the time when people hype recruits or transfers, they just turn out to be avg players, which is why not when I hear someone being hyped on here, I just laugh.
There's a reason why certain players transfer out of top schools, they can't cut it there.
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Do you think Simon (11 pts 8 reb 5 ast as a sophomore, which is comparable to what Dom Pointer averaged in his spectacular senior year) isn't the real deal? Is sniffing a triple double a game average? If so, we need many more average players who can't cut it elsewhere. Is Clarke (11 pts 4 rebs) not helping a lot? They're not the problem. Shamorie Ponds ("I AM LETTING MY TEAM DOWN!!! I HAVE TO STEP IT UP!!! I SUCK RIGHT NOW!!!") is the problem. Lovett being out is a problem. The bench is a problem. Simon and Clarke have been as good as advertised.
 
Ah, I'm a Dr. Pangloss at heart. I'm flip-flopping on the Season! Don't see why we cannot win both G*Town games,the home games versus Creighton, Xavier, Marquette, Seton Hall and Butler, and the away games against both DePaul and Providence...to go 9 - 9 during the BE regular season. Here's hoping!
 
I don't think too many posters considered Simon and Clark program changes. As pointed out they would still be at Az and MSU if they were. I thought they would be a major improvement in our two major defecensies, rebounding and defense over the players whose minutes they will be taking this year, Mussini,Ellison and Yawke.
 
Simon and Clark not what people thought? Simon has been excellent from the start, which is surprising considering he hadn't played much since he was a senior in high school. He is essentially a freshman in terms of game experience who can be a first or second team all Big East player with another year of playing time. Clark's numbers are fine. He came here with a rep as a good 3 point shooter, and he has filled that role nicely.

The problem is that in a sport where size, strength and toughness matters, we don't have much of any of them. Mullin has a philosophy that includes shoot a lot of 3s and don't get into a player's head for missing a few shots. I don't know what his defensive philosophy is, but It appears to be to pressure the ball and create turnovers and running opportunities.
Depth is clearly the other problem. No chance of getting a spark off the bench. Next year will really tell us more, as we will have a team with far less gaping holes, sufficient depth and size, more experience, and hopefully a big chip on their shoulders.
 
Simon and Clark not what people thought? Simon has been excellent from the start, which is surprising considering he hadn't played much since he was a senior in high school. He is essentially a freshman in terms of game experience who can be a first or second team all Big East player with another year of playing time. Clark's numbers are fine. He came here with a rep as a good 3 point shooter, and he has filled that role nicely.

The problem is that in a sport where size, strength and toughness matters, we don't have much of any of them. Mullin has a philosophy that includes shoot a lot of 3s and don't get into a player's head for missing a few shots. I don't know what his defensive philosophy is, but It appears to be to pressure the ball and create turnovers and running opportunities.
Depth is clearly the other problem. No chance of getting a spark off the bench. Next year will really tell us more, as we will have a team with far less gaping holes, sufficient depth and size, more experience, and hopefully a big chip on their shoulders.
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As I said yesterday, to me next year is the most important since the Astest years. This year the excuse is depth, ok fine.
But, next year we'll have depth and size, so no excuse. Yeah, we'll have 6 new guys, but even so, still no more excuses.

Finally, if mullin thinks Amar is a shooter (Amar before yesterdays game 3-20 3pnt fg, 8-29 overall, no I didn't see yesterdays boxscore and don't care to.), then maybe Mullin already needs to go. That statement makes him look like he has no clue to what he's talking about. If he was being sarcastic then nm
 
Simon and Clark have both been terrific, much more so than I was expecting. Neither played well on Saturday. Thought Clark looked a bit gassed in the 2nd half. Maybe if Yakwe played more than 2 minutes in the Creighton game that wouldn't have been an issue (cue responses that these are 21 year old kids who should never be tired under any circumstances).
 
So much misinformation on this site. Sad to see all the bickering but that is what happens when another Johnnie season seems to be going up in smoke. Surprised Paultzman didn't see any Big East wins this year when last years team won 7.
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Huh? If you are referencing Ken Pom thread, I felt only winning 5 BE games now is possible if we continue to have key guys out. Digging out of 0-4 hole with thin roster is hard obviously. Before season I thought we could win 18 games or so & flirt with NCAA T if we avoided injury bug. To date we haven't. No margin for error!
 
Simon and Clark not what people thought? Simon has been excellent from the start, which is surprising considering he hadn't played much since he was a senior in high school. He is essentially a freshman in terms of game experience who can be a first or second team all Big East player with another year of playing time. Clark's numbers are fine. He came here with a rep as a good 3 point shooter, and he has filled that role nicely.

The problem is that in a sport where size, strength and toughness matters, we don't have much of any of them. Mullin has a philosophy that includes shoot a lot of 3s and don't get into a player's head for missing a few shots. I don't know what his defensive philosophy is, but It appears to be to pressure the ball and create turnovers and running opportunities.
Depth is clearly the other problem. No chance of getting a spark off the bench. Next year will really tell us more, as we will have a team with far less gaping holes, sufficient depth and size, more experience, and hopefully a big chip on their shoulders.
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As I said yesterday, to me next year is the most important since the Astest years. /quote] If we dont win next year these will be known as the asstest years
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To those who are now bemoaning the fact that Simon and Clark are not “program changers”: Our best performance of the season to date—against Seton Hall—happened with Ponds and Lovett on the bench. In our second-best showing — the Creighton game—Ponds brought nothing to the table in the second half. Yesterday, Ponds was an out-and-out liability.

I shudder to think what we’d look like right now without Simon and Clark.
 
So much misinformation on this site. Sad to see all the bickering but that is what happens when another Johnnie season seems to be going up in smoke. Surprised Paultzman didn't see any Big East wins this year when last years team won 7.
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Huh? If you are referencing Ken Pom thread, I felt only winning 5 BE games now is possible if we continue to have key guys out. Digging out of 0-4 hole with thin roster is hard obviously. Before season I thought we could win 18 games or so & flirt with NCAA T if we avoided injury bug. To date we haven't. No margin for error!
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Until that first Big East win happens, all bets are off. If they don't get that win soon, the pressure will mount, the players will play tight and tentative, and the whatever press the program is still getting will be ruthless. i feel bad for the guys, because this is already ugly. Lovett doesn't seem like he will be back anytime soon, and what he can contribute after missing a lot of games and not even practicing much is questionable. I hope the students and fans stick with these guys. They could use the lift.
 
We just don’t make defenses work hard enough. Not nearly enough off the ball movement and screens.
Getting Ponds going should be objective #1 every game.
And, stating the obvious, need to do something, anything re: 3 point defense. Teams are routinely exploiting our penchant for converging on ball. DePaul bigs routinely threw over the top to weak side wing knowing it would result in a wide open 3.
 
Agree....Owens is least of our issues....

Since the SH game where Owens started taking 3's - he's 41.6% (5 of 12) with a total of 23 rebounds

SH 2 of 4
Creighton 2 of 6
DePaul 1 of 2
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the % is good but the thing is if he is drifting the perimeter whether he takes the shot or someone else does it will be much harder for our other guys to even attempt a rebound since we have no-one with size down low and it's been easier for the other team to box our guys out. I've seen way too many shots from our guys where we have maybe 1 guy remotely close to the basket and the other team it seems has like 3 guys

I'd say in fairness to Owens part of the problem is Mullin gives a green light to everyone including Ron Linfonte to hoist shots from anywhere so as fans we can get even more frustrated
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In fairness, Linfonte is not in game shape. Needs to drop a few lbs.
 
We just don’t make defenses work hard enough. Not nearly enough off the ball movement and screens.
Getting Ponds going should be objective #1 every game.
And, stating the obvious, need to do something, anything re: 3 point defense. Teams are routinely exploiting our penchant for converging on ball. DePaul routinely bigs threw over the top to weak side wing knowing it would result in a wide open 3.
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someone posted I think on this thread the 3 point shooting % against us against the big east teams and the % was nauseating
 
Any fair assessment of Mullin’s coaching has to throw out Season 1 as that was really a function of Lavin’s non existent recruiting . The 2 Transfers ,Simon and Clark are not program changers . Many here built them up as the Players who would take us to the next level . They haven’t yet and they played as poorly today as the rest of the team . They are average players who would have struggled for any PT at their former schools , Arizona and Mich State . Owens suddenly believes he is the best outside shooting option , while forgetting he should be blocking shots and make a effort at rebounding . Ahmed is What he is and we are getting that . Nothing more .
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"The 2 Transfers ,Simon and Clark are not program changers . Many here built them up as the Players who would take us to the next level . They haven’t yet and they played as poorly today as the rest of the team . They are average players who would have struggled for any PT at their former schools , Arizona and Mich State."

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like last year, so many were hyping these 2 up: "oh oh just wait till next year, simon is the real deal, and marvin is gonna help alot." Most of the time when people hype recruits or transfers, they just turn out to be avg players, which is why not when I hear someone being hyped on here, I just laugh.
There's a reason why certain players transfer out of top schools, they can't cut it there.
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Don’t think we should start getting down on Simon and Clark. Yes, Simon needs to be careful that he doesn’t get out of control, but for the most part he has been very good. Only issue with Clark is really about our expectations/hope that he would bang and rebound. I am glad to have both.

 
I like Simon. I think he is going to be really good. Clark is impossible for me not to like just because of the kids background and character. I just wish he rebounded more
 
Simon and Clark not what people thought? Simon has been excellent from the start, which is surprising considering he hadn't played much since he was a senior in high school. He is essentially a freshman in terms of game experience who can be a first or second team all Big East player with another year of playing time. Clark's numbers are fine. He came here with a rep as a good 3 point shooter, and he has filled that role nicely.

The problem is that in a sport where size, strength and toughness matters, we don't have much of any of them. Mullin has a philosophy that includes shoot a lot of 3s and don't get into a player's head for missing a few shots. I don't know what his defensive philosophy is, but It appears to be to pressure the ball and create turnovers and running opportunities.
Depth is clearly the other problem. No chance of getting a spark off the bench. Next year will really tell us more, as we will have a team with far less gaping holes, sufficient depth and size, more experience, and hopefully a big chip on their shoulders.
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Good assessment Ray
 
I just read in Newsday that the big east teams are shooting 3 pt shots at 48 per cent against us. Even with lousy defense teams over a four game period shouldn't be able to accomplish that. Hopefully that figure goes down starting Tues.
 
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