DePaul Game

Blaming the wizard for this loss is ridiculous.  First, give credit to DePaul for hitting crucial 3 pointers and for hitting the boards like men vs. boys.
Credit will not be given to these horrendous Big East refs who missed at least 3 calls and one where Harrison was mugged and all but butt fkd.
As for our redmen, Pointer and Obekpa were boxed out smartly by the Blue Demons rendering both useless in the rebounding department.  The rebounding margin was mostly due to their deficiency. Amar grabbed 5 rebs in limited action and his speed and aggressive play was huge when Obekpa collected his usual knucklehead fouls.
Harrison was banged up liked a waterfront whore. He had his worst game of the season.  One criticism I have for Lavin was not designing some isolation plays for Rysheed against Billy Garrett who played with 4 fouls most of the 2nd half. This loss may hurt come selection Sunday but DePaul is not as bad a club as some think. The refs put Garrett on the line 13 times and the kid shot 100 %.  We do not have a forward with Henry's shooting or aggressive rebounding and with Pointer reverting to being unproductive, our  only advantage in the game was Rysheed and Green. That will never be enough to win in this conference regardless who was coaching St. John's today.  The game was lost in O/T and Lavin is starting to use Amar because Christian Jones is a liability.  As it was last season, the NCAA will come do to the Big East tourney where anything is possible. 
On to Marquette and anyone who sells their Duke tickets is a pussy, plain and simple.
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The refs? The refs weren't jumping at every head fake, opening up the court for those 3 pointers. The refs don't recruit for us, leaving us with such a short roster that Harrison had to play 44 minutes when he probably shouldn't have been playing at all; the same roster that has 1 legitimate consistent offensive creator. Jordan can create but he is not remotely consistent. We got our fair share of calls and shot plenty of foul shots. As someone posted earlier, a glimpse at this team without Harrison; just virtually nothing to go to.
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Even the most rose-colored fans know the impact that losing Thomas and ADR has had on the front line but we have been a 6 man team all season and only the Nova game was out of reach. Sure we softened on defending the 3 but DePaul did a great job of protecting Garrett with substitutions. His 13 straight free throws was the major difference and, no, we did not get our share of calls. The refs even had to be asked to go to the monitor when they were giving the ball to DePaul under 2 minutes. On replays there were 2 clear fouls called against us that could be factors in the loss. One was so clear the announcers agreed. I agree about Jordan and that is why players like Obekpa and Jordan need to stay another year. I am glad you see the impact of a bad 2014 recruiting effort but that is not what cost us the game. Two players with bad hands and bad games by Pointer and Obekpa were major factors. You may as well blame Ron Linfonte for a bad tapping job on D'Lo and Branch. 13 straight free throws by Billy! I bet it will not happen again all season. We beat them at our place.
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Have to agree, Garrett hitting 13-13 is a joke and horrible luck on our part. In fact they shot well over their season % on free throws. We really should have won this game.
 
Freakin Depaul, we can't beat freakin Depaul? Lavin has to go.
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Lavin coaching Harrison to a 2-10 shooting day is unforgiveable, as was the strategy to get pounded on the boards. I guarantee if Dunlap was coach Harrison goes at least 11-10 and Obekpa/Pointer grab 40 rebounds. Man, this guy just can't coach, period.
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Harrison just couldn't elevate on his shot. Every miss seemed to hit the front of the rim. Some looking abnormally short. After a certain point, it was like he just removed himself from the offense and probably should have just sat. He was definitely hurtin'. We simply cannot beat anyone without a big contribution from him.
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not only did he not sit but played more than 40 min w injury. IMO Lavin should have rested him more, other than his FTs , he just couldn't hit today.
 
Both teams shot poorly in this game. DePaul just took and made more three pointers.
 
@NYPost_Brazille: Found this quote from Steve Lavin interesting "We have a lot of games left and all those coaching cliches we use after losses." #sjubb
 
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Eh, they shot 33% from 3pt, that's respectable. We shot 16%
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I give you credit Desco for pointing out our last shooting performance, especially from three, was fools gold. We are just not a good shooting team. We depend on steals & TOs for easy buckets to generate offense.

The issues that are most disconcerting, however, are terrible results defending the three & abysmal rebounding. You can often win when shooting poorly by grinding it out. Seldom do you win when you have a high negative three point differential and get killed on the boards. Allowing so many second shots makes it doubly difficult for an offensively challenged team to win consistently.
 
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Eh, they shot 33% from 3pt, that's respectable. We shot 16%
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I give you credit Desco for pointing out our last shooting performance, especially from three, was fools gold. We are just not a good shooting team. We depend on steals & TOs for easy buckets to generate offense.

The issues that are most disconcerting, however, are terrible results defending the three & abysmal rebounding. You can often win when shooting poorly by grinding it out. Seldom do you win when you have a high negative three point differential and get killed on the boards. Allowing so many second shots makes it doubly difficult for an offensively challenged team to win consistently.
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DePaul took almost three times as many threes as we did. I certainly don't want to get into a three point shooting contest with most teams but if we are going to chuck up shots, maybe more of them should be three pointers?
 
I'm as frustrated as anyone, but let's let the season play out. No excuses, but clearly hampered by Harrison being less than 100 percent .

Jordan played ok. Turns the ball over way too much for my liking and has no jump shot.
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Ah, yes.........our slogan for the past two years.
 
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Eh, they shot 33% from 3pt, that's respectable. We shot 16%
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I give you credit Desco for pointing out our last shooting performance, especially from three, was fools gold. We are just not a good shooting team. We depend on steals & TOs for easy buckets to generate offense.

The issues that are most disconcerting, however, are terrible results defending the three & abysmal rebounding. You can often win when shooting poorly by grinding it out. Seldom do you win when you have a high negative three point differential and get killed on the boards. Allowing so many second shots makes it doubly difficult for an offensively challenged team to win consistently.
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DePaul took almost three times as many threes as we did. I certainly don't want to get into a three point shooting contest with most teams but if we are going to chuck up shots, maybe more of them should be three pointers?
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Other than D'lo, who was playing hurt, and PGIV who else do we have that can even semi-consistently hit 3s? And please don't tell me AA.
 
I don't blame Lavin for strategy, playcalling, or timeout usage during this game. My only issue with him goes back to what I said at the very beginning of the season. The lack of depth (and particularly height) is disgraceful on this team. Our guys play hard every game and leave it all out on the court. But the fact is the team has 6 legitimate Big East players on the roster (Alibegovic is still a question mark IMO).

Watched D'Angelo play 44 minutes on basically 1 leg today. And you know what? Lavin couldn't even substitute for him because realistically he doesn't have anybody to put on the floor. Who can step out on the floor and even play marginally well for you? Balamou? Stewart? The Johnnies struggles come down to 2 things. They have nobody to help Obekpa out down low. And they only have 1 reserve on their roster who deserves to get PT. And that is all on Steve.
 
I'm as frustrated as anyone, but let's let the season play out. No excuses, but clearly hampered by Harrison being less than 100 percent .

Jordan played ok. Turns the ball over way too much for my liking and has no jump shot.
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Ah, yes.........our slogan for the past two years.
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I'm curious as to what you want us to do. Fire Lavin mid season?
 
Lack of rebounding really killed us today as well. No reason DePaul should crush us on the boards.
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I am surprised this hurt us. After all, Steve told us that rebounding is an overrated statistic.

He wouldn't say something that's not true.........right?
 
I don't blame Lavin for strategy, playcalling, or timeout usage during this game. My only issue with him goes back to what I said at the very beginning of the season. The lack of depth (and particularly height) is disgraceful on this team. Our guys play hard every game and leave it all out on the court. But the fact is the team has 6 legitimate Big East players on the roster (Alibegovic is still a question mark IMO).

Watched D'Angelo play 44 minutes on basically 1 leg today. And you know what? Lavin couldn't even substitute for him because realistically he doesn't have anybody to put on the floor. Who can step out on the floor and even play marginally well for you? Balamou? Stewart? The Johnnies struggles come down to 2 things. They have nobody to help Obekpa out down low. And they only have 1 reserve on their roster who deserves to get PT. And that is all on Steve.
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Just zero margin for error, but we knew that going in to the season. Think team still has a decent shot of making the tournament but we need to stay healthy, Jordan needs to keep his head screwed on right and CO needs to learn how to stay out of foul trouble.
 
Freakin Depaul, we can't beat freakin Depaul? Lavin has to go.
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Lavin coaching Harrison to a 2-10 shooting day is unforgiveable, as was the strategy to get pounded on the boards. I guarantee if Dunlap was coach Harrison goes at least 11-10 and Obekpa/Pointer grab 40 rebounds. Man, this guy just can't coach, period.
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Would be nice to have 1 or 2 guys on the bench that could fill in for D'Angelo, who had to play 44 minutes on a strained calf today.

Also would be nice to have multiple guys with actual height that could maybe grab a rebound. I guess we'll just have to be satisfied with 2 academic question marks (KT and ADR) and a kid who average 1 ppg at FIU (JDR).
 
I'm as frustrated as anyone, but let's let the season play out. No excuses, but clearly hampered by Harrison being less than 100 percent .

Jordan played ok. Turns the ball over way too much for my liking and has no jump shot.
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Ah, yes.........our slogan for the past two years.
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I'm curious as to what you want us to do. Fire Lavin mid season?
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No, I know that won't help. I am just super frustrated because I have been watching this disaster unfold in slow motion for the past two years. We didn't dump him last spring and now he has us over a barrel. We are actually talking about resigning him, not because of performance, but to protect his possibly strong recruiting class.

So, I excuse me if I have had my fill of the "let's just let this play out" comment. It has been playing out before our eyes.
 
Freakin Depaul, we can't beat freakin Depaul? Lavin has to go.
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Lavin coaching Harrison to a 2-10 shooting day is unforgiveable, as was the strategy to get pounded on the boards. I guarantee if Dunlap was coach Harrison goes at least 11-10 and Obekpa/Pointer grab 40 rebounds. Man, this guy just can't coach, period.
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Would be nice to have 1 or 2 guys on the bench that could fill in for D'Angelo, who had to play 44 minutes on a strained calf today.

Also would be nice to have multiple guys with actual height that could maybe grab a rebound. I guess we'll just have to be satisfied with 2 academic question marks (KT and ADR) and a kid who average 1 ppg at FIU (JDR).
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No doubt we need to find those 1-2 guys who can fit in the rotation. AA is looking like he belongs. We got crushed on the boards today, but because of essentially playing 4 guards (if you count Dom that way). We had a +8 (21-13) on turnovers and +7 on steals (13-4). That offsets the minus 17 (41-24) loss on the boards. You really can't have it both ways.

To me at least, if you are playing 5 guards in your top 6, you simply must shoot better than 37% to win. We didn't, and didn't
 
I'm as frustrated as anyone, but let's let the season play out. No excuses, but clearly hampered by Harrison being less than 100 percent .

Jordan played ok. Turns the ball over way too much for my liking and has no jump shot.
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Ah, yes.........our slogan for the past two years.
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I'm curious as to what you want us to do. Fire Lavin mid season?
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No, I know that won't help. I am just super frustrated because I have been watching this disaster unfold in slow motion for the past two years. We didn't dump him last spring and now he has us over a barrel. We are actually talking about resigning him, not because of performance, but to protect his possibly strong recruiting class.

So, I excuse me if I have had my fill of the "let's just let this play out" comment. It has been playing out before our eyes.
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Not dumping on you at all, but with the way you feel, why haven't you considered just doing something else with your time until 2016-2017 season begins. If we make a change at the end of this season, some recruits and some roster players won't be here, and next season will be a disaster, which gives you no hope at all until then, at the earliest.
 
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