D1 Coaching Changes

[quote="41ndone" post=277544]Hurley senior was not about money. I thought he had extremely high morals which he passed on to his sons. But if Danny takes the job at one of , if not the most ,corrupt universities in all of college basketball, I was very wrong.[/quote]

seems a bit of a stretch.
 
[quote="41ndone" post=277544]Hurley senior was not about money. I thought he had extremely high morals which he passed on to his sons. But if Danny takes the job at one of , if not the most ,corrupt universities in all of college basketball, I was very wrong.[/quote]

I actually tend to think they finally be clean with Hurley there. He's actually going to have to deal with others negatively recruiting against him for the first few years.
 
There are fairly big negatives to the job:

1 - Pending NCAA investigation of the Program
2 - They can't continue bending and breaking rules
3 - Conference is a negative - unless they move the school to Texas
4 - He will coach in the shadow of Calhoun
5 - Geno
6 - Storrs
7 - Hartford

Is Danny Hurley nuts?
 
[quote="OLV72" post=277550]
Is Danny Hurley nuts?[/quote]

Another way to look at it could be to ask how confident he is and how big his onions are.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=277530]Yes, a resurgent UCONN would be bad for St. John’s IF our people sleep on the job of recruiting and also are unsuccessful next year in the BEC.
Otherwise, it’s 50/50.
Frankly, UCONN’s campus ain’t nothing to write home about and it’s in the middle of nowhere.
My view is IF St. John’s has a winning program—we’ll get our share of good / very good recruits.
Danny Hurley at UCONN or not.[/quote]

The thing people are overlooking about UConn is they have amazing facilities, tremendous fan support, and unlimited resources. The team is treated like a pro team in the state of Connectict. They are he main attraction. They are also a public school who is well funded, and they have a very recent history of success. The campus might be in the middle of nowhere, but the players are treated like rock stars on campus.
 
Hurley will succeed at UConn like he did wherever he coached, St Benedict’s, Wagner & RI, and make a ton of money in the process.
 
[quote="Room112" post=277570]
The thing people are overlooking about UConn is they have amazing facilities, tremendous fan support, and unlimited resources. The team is treated like a pro team in the state of Connectict. They are he main attraction. They are also a public school who is well funded, and they have a very recent history of success. The campus might be in the middle of nowhere, but the players are treated like rock stars on campus.[/quote]

Todays Yukon is not Jim Calhoun's Yukon:
*The State of Connecticut has cut funding to the University.
* The UConn Professor's Union has assumed representation of Kevin Ollie in his arbitration proceeding for the contested $10K alleged to be owed under his contract giving greater credibility to his claim. A news article indicated that the some UConn Senior Administrators are beginning to believe that UConn may be required too make a huge unbuditgeted payment to Mr. Ollie.
*The UConn football team has become a major financial drain on UConn
* Yukon mens basketball lacks a geographic, or any rival in the AAC. Fans, players and recruits do not get excited about games against ECU, USF, UCF, Tulsa, et al.
* The AAC lacks any consistent broadcast platform for all of its games.
* Yukon lacks any large sum pay out through the AAC network media contract.

So yeah, if I were Danny Hurly I would accept the UConn job for $3.5M but if he does well I believe UConn will be a temporary stop.
 
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Nothing wrong with temporary, successful stops. Program and the coach benefit. At CM’s age, he obviously came to get program back on track, not break Lou’s longevity record. I am not concerned that SJU is a stepping stone job after being dreadful for too many years.

Win, get program on a reasonably successful track and perhaps be ok when solid coaches leave every five to seven years or so. Butler is surviving nicely despite coaching turnover. SJU is no longer a “destination” and it seems prudent to adjust our thinking. Of course we can become a solid, competitive program, but the “sleeping giant” description often tossed around is in a coma. :)
 
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There's a nice segement on MArch MAdness app with Bobby Hurley Senior, about how much he loves that Danny is local enough and how he travels to many games with his wife. Storrs is about an hour closer, and I think aside from it being a program that has won championships, and is flush with cash, the geography of UCONN would play well for his family.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=277586]Nothing wrong with temporary, successful stops. Program and the coach benefit. At CM’s age, he obviously came to get program back on track, not break Lou’s longevity record. I am not concerned that SJU is a stepping stone job after being dreadful for too many years.

Win, get program on a reasonably successful track and perhaps be ok when solid coaches leave every five to seven years or so. Butler is surviving nicely despite coaching turnover. SJU is no longer a “destination” and it seems prudent to adjust our thinking. Of course we can become a solid, competitive program, but the “sleeping giant” description often tossed around is in a coma. :)[/quote]

St. John's hasn't been a stepping stone, it's been a slippery stone, a career killer for all.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=277589][quote="Paultzman" post=277586]Nothing wrong with temporary, successful stops. Program and the coach benefit. At CM’s age, he obviously came to get program back on track, not break Lou’s longevity record. I am not concerned that SJU is a stepping stone job after being dreadful for too many years.

Win, get program on a reasonably successful track and perhaps be ok when solid coaches leave every five to seven years or so. Butler is surviving nicely despite coaching turnover. SJU is no longer a “destination” and it seems prudent to adjust our thinking. Of course we can become a solid, competitive program, but the “sleeping giant” description often tossed around is in a coma. :)[/quote]

St. John's hasn't been a stepping stone, it's been a slippery stone, a career killer for all.[/quote]

So true. I was just addressing concerns that I often hear that a rising coach like Dan Hurley would leave here after some success. My view is so what.
 
[quote="otis" post=277574][quote="Room112" post=277570]
The thing people are overlooking about UConn is they have amazing facilities, tremendous fan support, and unlimited resources. The team is treated like a pro team in the state of Connectict. They are he main attraction. They are also a public school who is well funded, and they have a very recent history of success. The campus might be in the middle of nowhere, but the players are treated like rock stars on campus.[/quote]

Todays Yukon is not Jim Calhoun's Yukon:
*The State of Connecticut has cut funding to the University.
* The UConn Professor's Union has assumed representation of Kevin Ollie in his arbitration proceeding for the contested $10K alleged to be owed under his contract giving greater credibility to his claim. A news article indicated that the some UConn Senior Administrators are beginning to believe that UConn may be required too make a huge unbuditgeted payment to Mr. Ollie.
*The UConn football team has become a major financial drain on UConn
* Yukon mens basketball lacks a geographic, or any rival in the AAC. Fans, players and recruits do not get excited about games against ECU, USF, UCF, Tulsa, et al.
* The AAC lacks any consistent broadcast platform for all of its games.
* Yukon lacks any large sum pay out through the AAC network media contract.

So yeah, if I were Danny Hurly I would accept the UConn job for $3.5M but if he does well I believe UConn will be a temporary stop.[/quote]

I get what you're saying, but that doesn't refute most of the points I made. The AAC is a temporary stop for UConn as we all know. Also, they have all of their games shown on SNY.

They still have top class facilities, a great campus experience, a rabid fan base, and all of the financial commitment you could hope for from a public school.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=277593][quote="Beast of the East" post=277589][quote="Paultzman" post=277586]Nothing wrong with temporary, successful stops. Program and the coach benefit. At CM’s age, he obviously came to get program back on track, not break Lou’s longevity record. I am not concerned that SJU is a stepping stone job after being dreadful for too many years.

Win, get program on a reasonably successful track and perhaps be ok when solid coaches leave every five to seven years or so. Butler is surviving nicely despite coaching turnover. SJU is no longer a “destination” and it seems prudent to adjust our thinking. Of course we can become a solid, competitive program, but the “sleeping giant” description often tossed around is in a coma. :)[/quote]

St. John's hasn't been a stepping stone, it's been a slippery stone, a career killer for all.[/quote]

So true. I was just addressing concerns that I often hear that a rising coach like Dan Hurley would leave here after some success. My view is so what.[/quote]

It's only a muse. Mullin isn't going anywhere right now, and by any measure by the time he does leave Hurley will likely be on another trajectory and have little interest beyond a very large pile of cash that SJU has always fallen short of.

Given our history of failures I'd have to say that someone getting us dance tickets would take precedence over fear they are leaving. As unpalatable as someone coming here and going (as Fraschilla would have done) it's preferable to having to show someone the door after a lack of success
 
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I'm just sick of watching other programs make the right hires and our choices never work out. We passed up Danny Hurley for Mullin. Same with Piekell who will end up being better. Now we will have to watch as Hurley brings them back thinking what could have been. It reminds me of the Jets' QB situation. They make tons of QB choices and they never pan out, yet we have to watch the other teams draft QB's we could've had and of course they go on to torture us with what could have been. We need to put the program before any 1 person even Mullin. Just because he was the best player ever here doesn't mean we need to watch the house burn another few years. If something is not working, you make a change. If we have another dud year next year, consider the experiment over. Some tend to think that if Mullin doesn't work it never will. I disagree. If we make a smart hire for once we will have success here. We may be irrelevant now, but no one else can replicate NYC, MSG, and the tradition here plus the TV exposure and conference.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=277607]I'm just sick of watching other programs make the right hires and our choices never work out. We passed up Danny Hurley for Mullin. Same with Piekell who will end up being better. Now we will have to watch as Hurley brings them back thinking what could have been. It reminds me of the Jets' QB situation. They make tons of QB choices and they never pan out, yet we have to watch the other teams draft QB's we could've had and of course they go on to torture us with what could have been. We need to put the program before any 1 person even Mullin. Just because he was the best player ever here doesn't mean we need to watch the house burn another few years. If something is not working, you make a change. If we have another dud year next year, consider the experiment over. Some tend to think that if Mullin doesn't work it never will. I disagree. If we make a smart hire for once we will have success here. We may be irrelevant now, but no one else can replicate NYC, MSG, and the tradition here plus the TV exposure and conference.[/quote]
Unfortunately, the tradition here in recent years has been underachieving and/or losing.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=277607]I'm just sick of watching other programs make the right hires and our choices never work out. We passed up Danny Hurley for Mullin. Same with Piekell who will end up being better. Now we will have to watch as Hurley brings them back thinking what could have been. It reminds me of the Jets' QB situation. They make tons of QB choices and they never pan out, yet we have to watch the other teams draft QB's we could've had and of course they go on to torture us with what could have been. We need to put the program before any 1 person even Mullin. Just because he was the best player ever here doesn't mean we need to watch the house burn another few years. If something is not working, you make a change. If we have another dud year next year, consider the experiment over. Some tend to think that if Mullin doesn't work it never will. I disagree. If we make a smart hire for once we will have success here. We may be irrelevant now, but no one else can replicate NYC, MSG, and the tradition here plus the TV exposure and conference.[/quote]

If you know the future so well why even watch the games? Seems boring.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=277607]I'm just sick of watching other programs make the right hires and our choices never work out. We passed up Danny Hurley for Mullin. Same with Piekell who will end up being better. Now we will have to watch as Hurley brings them back thinking what could have been. It reminds me of the Jets' QB situation. They make tons of QB choices and they never pan out, yet we have to watch the other teams draft QB's we could've had and of course they go on to torture us with what could have been. We need to put the program before any 1 person even Mullin. Just because he was the best player ever here doesn't mean we need to watch the house burn another few years. If something is not working, you make a change. If we have another dud year next year, consider the experiment over. Some tend to think that if Mullin doesn't work it never will. I disagree. If we make a smart hire for once we will have success here. We may be irrelevant now, but no one else can replicate NYC, MSG, and the tradition here plus the TV exposure and conference.[/quote]
Who did URI beat? If we had URI's schedule we might still be dancing. Enough with the overrated coaches already.
 
[quote="newsman13" post=277616][quote="Mike Zaun" post=277607]I'm just sick of watching other programs make the right hires and our choices never work out. We passed up Danny Hurley for Mullin. Same with Piekell who will end up being better. Now we will have to watch as Hurley brings them back thinking what could have been. It reminds me of the Jets' QB situation. They make tons of QB choices and they never pan out, yet we have to watch the other teams draft QB's we could've had and of course they go on to torture us with what could have been. We need to put the program before any 1 person even Mullin. Just because he was the best player ever here doesn't mean we need to watch the house burn another few years. If something is not working, you make a change. If we have another dud year next year, consider the experiment over. Some tend to think that if Mullin doesn't work it never will. I disagree. If we make a smart hire for once we will have success here. We may be irrelevant now, but no one else can replicate NYC, MSG, and the tradition here plus the TV exposure and conference.[/quote]
Who did URI beat? If we had URI's schedule we might still be dancing. Enough with the overrated coaches already.[/quote]

Why do I still watch? I guess I'm a glutton for punishment. I'm numb after the Mets, Jets, Isles, Knicks...what's another team like that added to the mix? There's always that bit of hope however fleeting it may be.

Newsman13, not sure what you mean...are you saying that Hurley and Brown are overrated or coaches in general are? Either way, I'd disagree on both counts. I'd be willing to bet significant money on Hurley bringing UConn back to a regular tourney team likely in the Top 25 most years. Do I want that? No. But wherever he goes he succeeds and now he has way more resources in a college basketball town. Will Brown has been so consistently good at Albany. Look at their seasons the past 5 years or so. Not only does Albany do very well in the regular season, they also do very well in the conference tourney. Like I've said...I used to be in the camp where people say coaching doesn't matter, it's all players. But the more I watch college hoops, the more I realize coaching is very important unless you get top 10 guys every year. Guys like Cooley...you just see the team improve, blend, and win consistently. Not seeing that with our program with all the player turnover and very poor record in Mullin's tenure overall. Of course we all gave him a pass early on, but it's not early anymore. Year 3 is complete and year 4 will tell us if it will ever work whether or not he is fired or leaves. No need to avoid the elephant in the room. It's either working or not working and right now it's clearly not.
 
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