D1 Coaching Changes

[quote="TheSummit" post=278308]Per Zags, Pittsburgh radio sports guy Paul Ziese reports Tim Cluess is interviewing for the Pitt head coaching job.[/quote]

I always thought it would be interesting to see Cluess get a job like this. The guy can coach offense as good as anyone. If he put together the right staff, he could be dangerous.

He also deserve the pay day.
 
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[quote="Logen" post=278294][quote="Class of 72" post=278257][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=278245]If Lavin had to Coach the Players Mullin did in his first season , we might hhave gone 0 for the Season . Lavin had lost whatever motivated him to come here , long before his last Season . He got DLO, Pointer, Greene, Branch , Jordan , Obepka , through their Last Year here and had nothing left in the Cupboard and he knew it . As for those naysayers again, Mullin and Staff got Ponds to come here . Convinced Lovett to come and sit out as partial qualifier and then play . Kept Mussini as a freshman and had him play the point and be the Team’s best player . Brought Simon and Clarke here . Found space for Owens as a transfer from Tenn. Recruited Ahmed from Jr College . Recruited Yakwe and Sima , coveted HS players that unfortunately did not pan out . Convinced Pervis Ellison and son , Malik to come to St John’s for 2 Years . Brought in Williams and got a serviceable year from him , before he self destructed at Nevada . Next year we have Dixon , Diakite, Williams , Roberts and who knows what 5 th year Player we may wind up with . So , while not all these Players were all successes , they were in most quarters highly sought after Players . Simon and Clarke were top 100 players in HS . Getting them to come here , no small accomplishment . Brooks ? Disappointing but , how do you explain a decommit from a School involved in Recruting violations , commit to us and then , go back to USC? Can’t find blame there .[/quote]

I'm not sure if this was a pro or anti Mullin post.:whistle:
To quote loving father Mr. Owens: Men lie, women lie, but numbers don't lie.
Our venerable basketball legend has just completed his 3rd straight losing season and so far other than Ponds, I don't see any impact recruits knocking down the door to play for him. In fact, I don't see him knocking on any doors either. Hopefully he learns recruiting 101 while completing his introductory course in coaching 101. It never fails to amaze me that so many here need to justify the, to-date, failed Mullin experiment by knocking a former coach who took the program to 4 post season tourney appearances. Yes, after his cancer he lost his mojo recruiting but I recall some posters here in his first couple of years bragging "who Lavin wants, Lavin gets". As for the numbers, the man who only coached 11 years combined at two schools won 20 or more games in 9 of those 11 years and went to FIVE Sweet 16's.
Blaming Lavin for Mullin’s failures is foolish. We are the ones who hired an entire coaching staff with ZERO experience.
Soon some fans will blame the entire Big East for our poor recruiting and winning record. Actually, one sociopathic fan is already doing that. As I said many posts ago, don't bring up Lavin to embellish the current state of the program.

Finally, when Mr. Slyfox said " if Lavin had to coach the players Mullin did in his first season , we might have gone 0 for the season", he should remember that we went 1-17 in conference games that year. That's pretty close to zero imo.[/quote]

As always, my position disregards Mullin's first year. So Mullin, who can't coach, can't recruit or do anything seemingly but piss off all the experts on this board has a two year record comparable to recent coaching legends in his first two years. Explain that to me, please. Not with your usual generalized blather but with substance. I am not a stat guy but they say something over the course of a season.
Let's look at defense first, playing a helter-skelter uptempo offense (more later), we finished 3rd in the conference in points allowed per game, 1st in field goal defense, 1st in steals and blocks; admittedly steals and blocks are not always positive stats, but combined with the points allowed they have some credibility. We were 1st in the conference in turnover margin. Negative defensive stat, we were 8th in 3 point defense %. But did we accomplish that with pure luck? No coaching, lousy players? No, but we did accomplish it with a limited roster, not to mention our best offensive player treating defense as a potential way to catch a communicable disease a good deal of the time.
Okay, offense, from my perspective, the most positive thing I can say is the staff has stuck to their guns and maybe with more time and experienced players the pro-system will eventually work. At times it did, but they were too few and far between for my taste. I do not like the offensive approach on the college level; too much one on one, too much jacking, too much standing around.
Intangibles if you will. No one can deny Mullin and staff did not lose this team, even after Lovett quit and we lost 11 games in a row. In my mind, that means a lot but even to the most ardent Mullin hater it has to count for something.
So am I sold on Mullin? No. Do I think he has done the horrible job you and others are trying to sell? No, not even close.[/quote] Defense was definitely improved but as you said I'd like to see better 3 point defense.

The #1 Improvement I want to see next year is rebounding because our rebounding was horrible

#2 is assists because we were either dead last there or close to it and Marillac put up a stat on jungle a week or 2 ago that we were ranked in the 200's in both categories in the NCAA's

That's unacceptable for any team if you want to see long term success
 
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@rickbozich
,@DickieV says Louisville job is Chris Mack's "if he wants it," but U of L asks for permission to talk to UK assistant Kenny Payne, a former Card who has support from group of former Card’s players
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=278331]@rickbozich
,@DickieV says Louisville job is Chris Mack's "if he wants it," but U of L asks for permission to talk to UK assistant Kenny Payne, a former Card who has support from group of former Card’s players[/quote]

Chris Mack can coach but Kenny Payne can out-recruit Mack any day. In the ACC you are not going to be in the upper level with just coaching.
 
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The SlyFox wrote:
"So , the time is approaching when no finger can be pointed at Lavin for the Program’s descent . It’s not yet here though ."
That remark makes you a .:whistle:
That time will never approach for Lavin and Mullin .
DESCENT? ????
The guy you are blaming for Mullin’s folly is the guy who put the program back on the map!!!
He did that after having been out of coaching for almost 7 years.
After his first season Lav had to recruit almost an entire team (9 players). Does that sound familiar? It was Norm Roberts who not only couldn't recruit but stopped recruiting to put St. John's in a position to have to replace NINE players.
THAT was the DESCENT!!!!
Your can regurgitate the usual excuses all you want it won't change the record after 3 seasons with no post season appearances.
That time is here my redmen.com brother. Year four is an entire graduating class of your own players. Even Norm Roberts had all juniors who spent their entire careers as St. John's players. Lavin had most of his players stay with him.
That will not be the case with Mullin's recruits! Let's see if any reach their senior year and stay 4 years!
STAY TUNED!;)
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=278340]The SlyFox wrote:
"So , the time is approaching when no finger can be pointed at Lavin for the Program’s descent . It’s not yet here though ."
That remark makes you a.:whistle:
That time will never approach for Lavin and Mullin.
DESCENT? ????
The guy you are blaming for Mullin’s folly is the guy who put the program back on the map!!!
He did that after having been out of coaching for almost 7 years.
After his first season Lav had to recruit almost an entire team (9 players). Does that sound familiar? It was Norm Roberts who not only couldn't recruit but stopped recruiting to put St. John's in a position to have to replace NINE players.
THAT was the DESCENT!!!!
Your can regurgitate the usual excuses all you want it won't change the record after 3 seasons with no post season appearances.
That time is here my redmen.com brother. Year four is an entire graduating class of your own players. Even Norm Roberts had all juniors who spent their entire careers as St. John's players. Lavin had most of his players stay with him.
That will not be the case with Mullin's recruits! Let's see if any reach their senior year and stay 4 years!
STAY TUNED!;)[/quote] I like Mullin and want him to succeed but your absolutely right 72.
 
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[quote="JohnnyFan" post=278311][quote="TheSummit" post=278308]Per Zags, Pittsburgh radio sports guy Paul Ziese reports Tim Cluess is interviewing for the Pitt head coaching job.[/quote]

I always thought it would be interesting to see Cluess get a job like this. The guy can coach offense as good as anyone. If he put together the right staff, he could be dangerous.

He also deserve the pay day.[/quote]

I wonder if Grasso joins him, or if Iona offers him the head coaching gig.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=278333][quote="Paultzman" post=278331]@rickbozich
,@DickieV says Louisville job is Chris Mack's "if he wants it," but U of L asks for permission to talk to UK assistant Kenny Payne, a former Card who has support from group of former Card’s players[/quote]

Chris Mack can coach but Kenny Payne can out-recruit Mack any day. In the ACC you are not going to be in the upper level with just coaching.[/quote]

There is not a team in the country that would take Kenny Payne as a coach over Chris Mack.
 
[quote="RedStormRising2" post=278368][quote="Class of 72" post=278333][quote="Paultzman" post=278331]@rickbozich
,@DickieV says Louisville job is Chris Mack's "if he wants it," but U of L asks for permission to talk to UK assistant Kenny Payne, a former Card who has support from group of former Card’s players[/quote]

Chris Mack can coach but Kenny Payne can out-recruit Mack any day. In the ACC you are not going to be in the upper level with just coaching.[/quote]

There is not a team in the country that would take Kenny Payne as a coach over Chris Mack.[/quote]

Unless that team is his alma mater and some boosters prefer a favorite son.
Sound familiar??????
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=278373][quote="RedStormRising2" post=278368][quote="Class of 72" post=278333][quote="Paultzman" post=278331]@rickbozich
,@DickieV says Louisville job is Chris Mack's "if he wants it," but U of L asks for permission to talk to UK assistant Kenny Payne, a former Card who has support from group of former Card’s players[/quote]

Chris Mack can coach but Kenny Payne can out-recruit Mack any day. In the ACC you are not going to be in the upper level with just coaching.[/quote]

There is not a team in the country that would take Kenny Payne as a coach over Chris Mack.[/quote]

Unless that team is his alma mater and some boosters prefer a favorite son.
Sound familiar??????[/quote]

We were short of options... Louisville will have exhausted Chris Mack, Mick Cronin etc. before they settle on Kenny Payne.
 
[quote="RedStormRising2" post=278376][quote="Class of 72" post=278373][quote="RedStormRising2" post=278368][quote="Class of 72" post=278333][quote="Paultzman" post=278331]@rickbozich
,@DickieV says Louisville job is Chris Mack's "if he wants it," but U of L asks for permission to talk to UK assistant Kenny Payne, a former Card who has support from group of former Card’s players[/quote]

Chris Mack can coach but Kenny Payne can out-recruit Mack any day. In the ACC you are not going to be in the upper level with just coaching.[/quote]

There is not a team in the country that would take Kenny Payne as a coach over Chris Mack.[/quote]

Unless that team is his alma mater and some boosters prefer a favorite son.
Sound familiar??????[/quote]

We were short of options... Louisville will have exhausted Chris Mack, Mick Cronin etc. before they settle on Kenny Payne.[/quote]

Short of options?
It's not like they formed a search committee and came up with only Mullin.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=278340]The SlyFox wrote:
"So , the time is approaching when no finger can be pointed at Lavin for the Program’s descent . It’s not yet here though ."
That remark makes you a .:whistle:
That time will never approach for Lavin and Mullin.
DESCENT? ????
The guy you are blaming for Mullin’s folly is the guy who put the program back on the map!!!
He did that after having been out of coaching for almost 7 years.
After his first season Lav had to recruit almost an entire team (9 players). Does that sound familiar? It was Norm Roberts who not only couldn't recruit but stopped recruiting to put St. John's in a position to have to replace NINE players.
THAT was the DESCENT!!!!
Your can regurgitate the usual excuses all you want it won't change the record after 3 seasons with no post season appearances.
That time is here my redmen.com brother. Year four is an entire graduating class of your own players. Even Norm Roberts had all juniors who spent their entire careers as St. John's players. Lavin had most of his players stay with him.
That will not be the case with Mullin's recruits! Let's see if any reach their senior year and stay 4 years!
STAY TUNED!;)[/quote] money post
 
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[quote="Tom in Salem" post=278379][quote="RedStormRising2" post=278376][quote="Class of 72" post=278373][quote="RedStormRising2" post=278368][quote="Class of 72" post=278333][quote="Paultzman" post=278331]@rickbozich
,@DickieV says Louisville job is Chris Mack's "if he wants it," but U of L asks for permission to talk to UK assistant Kenny Payne, a former Card who has support from group of former Card’s players[/quote]

Chris Mack can coach but Kenny Payne can out-recruit Mack any day. In the ACC you are not going to be in the upper level with just coaching.[/quote]

There is not a team in the country that would take Kenny Payne as a coach over Chris Mack.[/quote]

Unless that team is his alma mater and some boosters prefer a favorite son.
Sound familiar??????[/quote]

We were short of options... Louisville will have exhausted Chris Mack, Mick Cronin etc. before they settle on Kenny Payne.[/quote]
Ii
Short of options?
It's not like they formed a search committee and came up with only Mullin.[/quote]

I was gonna say, that was one of the most ridiculous things I have read here recently.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=278390][quote="Class of 72" post=278340]The SlyFox wrote:
"So , the time is approaching when no finger can be pointed at Lavin for the Program’s descent . It’s not yet here though ."
That remark makes you a .:whistle:
That time will never approach for Lavin and Mullin.
DESCENT? ????
The guy you are blaming for Mullin’s folly is the guy who put the program back on the map!!!
He did that after having been out of coaching for almost 7 years.
After his first season Lav had to recruit almost an entire team (9 players). Does that sound familiar? It was Norm Roberts who not only couldn't recruit but stopped recruiting to put St. John's in a position to have to replace NINE players.
THAT was the DESCENT!!!!
Your can regurgitate the usual excuses all you want it won't change the record after 3 seasons with no post season appearances.
That time is here my redmen.com brother. Year four is an entire graduating class of your own players. Even Norm Roberts had all juniors who spent their entire careers as St. John's players. Lavin had most of his players stay with him.
That will not be the case with Mullin's recruits! Let's see if any reach their senior year and stay 4 years!
STAY TUNED!;)[/quote] money post[/quote]

It was a money post until someone tampered and edited it to fit their image.
 
[quote="Tom in Salem" post=278379][quote="RedStormRising2" post=278376][quote="Class of 72" post=278373][quote="RedStormRising2" post=278368][quote="Class of 72" post=278333][quote="Paultzman" post=278331]@rickbozich
,@DickieV says Louisville job is Chris Mack's "if he wants it," but U of L asks for permission to talk to UK assistant Kenny Payne, a former Card who has support from group of former Card’s players[/quote]

Chris Mack can coach but Kenny Payne can out-recruit Mack any day. In the ACC you are not going to be in the upper level with just coaching.[/quote]

There is not a team in the country that would take Kenny Payne as a coach over Chris Mack.[/quote]

Unless that team is his alma mater and some boosters prefer a favorite son.
Sound familiar??????[/quote]

We were short of options... Louisville will have exhausted Chris Mack, Mick Cronin etc. before they settle on Kenny Payne.[/quote]

Short of options?
It's not like they formed a search committee and came up with only Mullin.[/quote]

Boosters didn’t have a chance to weigh in as it was a done deal.

Could have formed a search committee and they could have come up with more names but guys like Mack, Cronin, Holtman weren’t coming. Maybe Danny Hurley or Archie Miller
 
[quote="SJU85" post=278411][quote="Tom in Salem" post=278379][quote="RedStormRising2" post=278376][quote="Class of 72" post=278373][quote="RedStormRising2" post=278368][quote="Class of 72" post=278333][quote="Paultzman" post=278331]@rickbozich
,@DickieV says Louisville job is Chris Mack's "if he wants it," but U of L asks for permission to talk to UK assistant Kenny Payne, a former Card who has support from group of former Card’s players[/quote]

Chris Mack can coach but Kenny Payne can out-recruit Mack any day. In the ACC you are not going to be in the upper level with just coaching.[/quote]

There is not a team in the country that would take Kenny Payne as a coach over Chris Mack.[/quote]

Unless that team is his alma mater and some boosters prefer a favorite son.
Sound familiar??????[/quote]

We were short of options... Louisville will have exhausted Chris Mack, Mick Cronin etc. before they settle on Kenny Payne.[/quote]

Short of options?
It's not like they formed a search committee and came up with only Mullin.[/quote]

Boosters didn’t have a chance to weigh in as it was a done deal.

Could have formed a search committee and they could have come up with more names but guys like Mack, Cronin, Holtman weren’t coming. Maybe Danny Hurley or Archie Miller[/quote]
The problem with any search committee formed by St. John's is it probably would be headed up by Sister Bertrille.
 
Only 8 months too season starts and Mullin is on the hot seat with people. Except the people who matter. Enjoy the off season.
 
[quote="Danny Noonan" post=278416]Only 8 months too season starts and Mullin is on the hot seat with people. Except the people who matter. Enjoy the off season.[/quote]

This going to be an historic off season imo. A lot of pressure that some assistant coach may choose to avoid. Two classes in one have to be solidified by the November signing period. This will not be your typical off season at St. John's. That is why Mullin and staff are on the hot seat.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=278419][quote="Danny Noonan" post=278416]Only 8 months too season starts and Mullin is on the hot seat with people. Except the people who matter. Enjoy the off season.[/quote]

This going to be an historic off season imo. A lot of pressure that some assistant coach may choose to avoid. Two classes in one have to be solidified by the November signing period. This will not be your typical off season at St. John's. That is why Mullin and staff are on the hot seat.[/quote]

We haven’t had typical since the 90’s.
 
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