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[quote="capmaker" post=277998]Chris Mack's wife is from Louisville.[/quote]
Xavier doesn't skip ita beat in hiring good coaches. Unlike St. John's they have real committees with real candidates.
Xavier doesn't skip ita beat in hiring good coaches. Unlike St. John's they have real committees with real candidates.
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=278008][quote="Sju grad 13" post=278006]Boy, Hurley better work out for Uconn. Unless I’m mistaken if you add Ollie contract, that’s 6 million dollars a year in coaching salaries.[/quote] they are trying not to pay Ollie I believe[/quote]
Key word, “Trying”. No chance Kevin Ollie is getting fleeced for ten million dollars.
Key word, “Trying”. No chance Kevin Ollie is getting fleeced for ten million dollars.
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=277745]Just to prove my point, I literally went to a random MAAC team: Fairfield. I looked up their roster at their bigs. Sure enough, Jonathan Kasibabu at 6'8 240 lbs was one of their bigs. He would instantly be our best big. Also had good stats. This was a 2 star recruit and I don't see anyone else who offered except Fairfield. This is exactly my point guys. I just found who would instantly be our best big in the MAAC and he was a 2*.[/quote]
I've watched him because my kids go to Fairfield, he's a good big in the MAAC, not sure he would be our best big.
I've watched him because my kids go to Fairfield, he's a good big in the MAAC, not sure he would be our best big.
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=277745]Just to prove my point, I literally went to a random MAAC team: Fairfield. I looked up their roster at their bigs. Sure enough, Jonathan Kasibabu at 6'8 240 lbs was one of their bigs. He would instantly be our best big. Also had good stats. This was a 2 star recruit and I don't see anyone else who offered except Fairfield. [/quote]
And no doubt had the staff recruited an academically ineligible one star big man who chose SJU over Drexel and Fordham you'd have immediately signed on and congratulated them for their recruiting prowess.
“I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn’t have to give up that much.”
And no doubt had the staff recruited an academically ineligible one star big man who chose SJU over Drexel and Fordham you'd have immediately signed on and congratulated them for their recruiting prowess.
“I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn’t have to give up that much.”
Good for Hurley. As Moose noted a few times, he is good at leveraging deals. Know everyone hates UConn, but he will do very good there. A hard ass, yes, but he has a tremendous work ethic and clearly can recruit. His new conference is not BE, but improving. All in all a great hire from both ends.
We tend to rip UConn, Willard, SH, Chris Mack etc., but perhaps better to focus on our own program. Next year appears time to demonstrate we can be a program, not a chronic rebuild. I do believe with Ponds, a couple of bigs, a solid 19 class & improved coaching we can get there. Faltering in those areas would keep SJU in mediocrity imo. To a successful next season!
We tend to rip UConn, Willard, SH, Chris Mack etc., but perhaps better to focus on our own program. Next year appears time to demonstrate we can be a program, not a chronic rebuild. I do believe with Ponds, a couple of bigs, a solid 19 class & improved coaching we can get there. Faltering in those areas would keep SJU in mediocrity imo. To a successful next season!
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[quote="Sju grad 13" post=278014][quote="mjmaherjr" post=278008][quote="Sju grad 13" post=278006]Boy, Hurley better work out for Uconn. Unless I’m mistaken if you add Ollie contract, that’s 6 million dollars a year in coaching salaries.[/quote] they are trying not to pay Ollie I believe[/quote]
Key word, “Trying”. No chance Kevin Ollie is getting fleeced for ten million dollars.[/quote]
Interesting how quickly UCONN has turned on its own family member Kevin Ollie. A not so nice legal battle brewing between them. Bad pub for that school - no sympathy here.
From the Hartford Courant:
Kevin Ollie is set to have a hearing with UConn athletic director David Benedict within the next two weeks, as the fight over the $10 million remaining on his contract gets underway.
“At this point, we just consider Kevin suspended with pay, pending his right to a hearing,” said Michael Bailey, executive director of UConn’s chapter of the American Association of University Professors, of which Ollie is a member. “At that time, he is going to be able to respond to any factual evidence that the director is using, that he thinks to be evidence that has led him to initiate disciplinary proceedings for termination.”
Bailey filed his formal request for a hearing on Ollie’s behalf on Saturday, so by the terms of the collective bargaining agreement, it must happen by March 25.
UConn announced Saturday morning it had “initiated disciplinary procedures to terminate” Ollie’s employment for “just cause.” The men’s basketball program is the subject of an NCAA investigation, the findings of which have not been released. The infractions the school will cite are believed to center on impermissible summer workouts.
Key word, “Trying”. No chance Kevin Ollie is getting fleeced for ten million dollars.[/quote]
Interesting how quickly UCONN has turned on its own family member Kevin Ollie. A not so nice legal battle brewing between them. Bad pub for that school - no sympathy here.
From the Hartford Courant:
Kevin Ollie is set to have a hearing with UConn athletic director David Benedict within the next two weeks, as the fight over the $10 million remaining on his contract gets underway.
“At this point, we just consider Kevin suspended with pay, pending his right to a hearing,” said Michael Bailey, executive director of UConn’s chapter of the American Association of University Professors, of which Ollie is a member. “At that time, he is going to be able to respond to any factual evidence that the director is using, that he thinks to be evidence that has led him to initiate disciplinary proceedings for termination.”
Bailey filed his formal request for a hearing on Ollie’s behalf on Saturday, so by the terms of the collective bargaining agreement, it must happen by March 25.
UConn announced Saturday morning it had “initiated disciplinary procedures to terminate” Ollie’s employment for “just cause.” The men’s basketball program is the subject of an NCAA investigation, the findings of which have not been released. The infractions the school will cite are believed to center on impermissible summer workouts.
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[quote="Sju grad 13" post=278014][quote="mjmaherjr" post=278008][quote="Sju grad 13" post=278006]Boy, Hurley better work out for Uconn. Unless I’m mistaken if you add Ollie contract, that’s 6 million dollars a year in coaching salaries.[/quote] they are trying not to pay Ollie I believe[/quote]
Key word, “Trying”. No chance Kevin Ollie is getting fleeced for ten million dollars.[/quote]
Termination with cause
Key word, “Trying”. No chance Kevin Ollie is getting fleeced for ten million dollars.[/quote]
Termination with cause
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[quote="Paultzman" post=278030]Good for Hurley. As Moose noted a few times, he is good at leveraging deals. Know everyone hates UConn, but he will do very good there. A hard ass, yes, but he has a tremendous work ethic and clearly can recruit. His new conference is not BE, but improving. All in all a great hire from both ends.
We tend to rip UConn, Willard, SH, Chris Mack etc., but perhaps better to focus on our own program. Next year appears time to demonstrate we can be a program, not a chronic rebuild. I do believe with Ponds, a couple of bigs, a solid 19 class & improved coaching we can get there. Faltering in those areas would keep SJU in mediocrity imo. To a successful next season![/quote]
Next year “appears” time to demonstrate we can be a program in year 4? Not nearly strong enough IMO but bless your patience. If Mullin fails again you beg him to resign. If he refuses you fire him. This is not an emotional business, it’s a results oriented business. There’s a reason success is correlated with being more of a straight shooter instead of agreeable people or yes men. We’d all love to see tourney next yr and it’s possible, but our fans have suffered far too long to continue with failure and befriend it. Credit UConn for not accepting failure. If Ollie was our coach, winning a NC would guarantee coaching here until he dies even if he never won another game after it. Respect your patience but at a certain point you must force change.
We tend to rip UConn, Willard, SH, Chris Mack etc., but perhaps better to focus on our own program. Next year appears time to demonstrate we can be a program, not a chronic rebuild. I do believe with Ponds, a couple of bigs, a solid 19 class & improved coaching we can get there. Faltering in those areas would keep SJU in mediocrity imo. To a successful next season![/quote]
Next year “appears” time to demonstrate we can be a program in year 4? Not nearly strong enough IMO but bless your patience. If Mullin fails again you beg him to resign. If he refuses you fire him. This is not an emotional business, it’s a results oriented business. There’s a reason success is correlated with being more of a straight shooter instead of agreeable people or yes men. We’d all love to see tourney next yr and it’s possible, but our fans have suffered far too long to continue with failure and befriend it. Credit UConn for not accepting failure. If Ollie was our coach, winning a NC would guarantee coaching here until he dies even if he never won another game after it. Respect your patience but at a certain point you must force change.
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[quote="austour" post=277772][quote="Knight" post=277751]Are schools permitted to bring in specialists to help with player development? Like someone to work with bigs.[/quote]
Zendon worked with STJ bigs for a couple of years, unpaid I believe. Special Assistants like Keady and Mitch in his old role were allowed to work with players one on one on skill development, just not run team practices. I don't think Mitch is running any team practices nor does he seem to be recruiting very much so maybe he should go back to that role and spend 12 hours a day trying to improve Justin's outside shot. That would go a long way if Justin could shoot like Mitch.
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Zendon is a great guy, and a long island guy, but also a perfect example of why you don't need a big to work with a big. He was a very athletic guy for his size, could shoot fairly well from mid range and had these funky left handed moves that were difficult to stop. He also drove SJU fans crazy by putting the ball on the floor when he didn't have to, and holding the ball very low on drives to the hoop where much shorter guys could strip him. Kind of do as I say, not as I did coaching I'd guess
Zendon worked with STJ bigs for a couple of years, unpaid I believe. Special Assistants like Keady and Mitch in his old role were allowed to work with players one on one on skill development, just not run team practices. I don't think Mitch is running any team practices nor does he seem to be recruiting very much so maybe he should go back to that role and spend 12 hours a day trying to improve Justin's outside shot. That would go a long way if Justin could shoot like Mitch.
[/quote]Zendon is a great guy, and a long island guy, but also a perfect example of why you don't need a big to work with a big. He was a very athletic guy for his size, could shoot fairly well from mid range and had these funky left handed moves that were difficult to stop. He also drove SJU fans crazy by putting the ball on the floor when he didn't have to, and holding the ball very low on drives to the hoop where much shorter guys could strip him. Kind of do as I say, not as I did coaching I'd guess
[quote="Paultzman" post=278030]
We tend to rip UConn, Willard, SH, Chris Mack etc., but perhaps better to focus on our own program. Next year appears time to demonstrate we can be a program, not a chronic rebuild. I do believe with Ponds, a couple of bigs, a solid 19 class & improved coaching we can get there. Faltering in those areas would keep SJU in mediocrity imo. To a successful next season![/quote]
WE ARE...DE - PAUL! WE ARE...DE - PAUL!
We tend to rip UConn, Willard, SH, Chris Mack etc., but perhaps better to focus on our own program. Next year appears time to demonstrate we can be a program, not a chronic rebuild. I do believe with Ponds, a couple of bigs, a solid 19 class & improved coaching we can get there. Faltering in those areas would keep SJU in mediocrity imo. To a successful next season![/quote]
WE ARE...DE - PAUL! WE ARE...DE - PAUL!
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"Next year appears time to demonstrate we can be a program, not a chronic rebuild. I do believe with Ponds, a couple of bigs, a solid 19 class & improved coaching we can get there. Faltering in those areas would keep SJU in mediocrity imo. To a successful next season!"
That's a lot of things that need to go right and fall into place. Hope you're right.
That's a lot of things that need to go right and fall into place. Hope you're right.
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=278037][quote="Paultzman" post=278030]Good for Hurley. As Moose noted a few times, he is good at leveraging deals. Know everyone hates UConn, but he will do very good there. A hard ass, yes, but he has a tremendous work ethic and clearly can recruit. His new conference is not BE, but improving. All in all a great hire from both ends.
We tend to rip UConn, Willard, SH, Chris Mack etc., but perhaps better to focus on our own program. Next year appears time to demonstrate we can be a program, not a chronic rebuild. I do believe with Ponds, a couple of bigs, a solid 19 class & improved coaching we can get there. Faltering in those areas would keep SJU in mediocrity imo. To a successful next season![/quote]
Next year “appears” time to demonstrate we can be a program in year 4? Not nearly strong enough IMO but bless your patience. If Mullin fails again you beg him to resign. If he refuses you fire him. This is not an emotional business, it’s a results oriented business. There’s a reason success is correlated with being more of a straight shooter instead of agreeable people or yes men. We’d all love to see tourney next yr and it’s possible, but our fans have suffered far too long to continue with failure and befriend it. Credit UConn for not accepting failure. If Ollie was our coach, winning a NC would guarantee coaching here until he dies even if he never won another game after it. Respect your patience but at a certain point you must force change.[/quote]
I agree with both Paultz and Z. IF we get some BE-quality bigs to go with Ponds, Simon, Clark, Dixon, Keita and the freshmen recruits (3*/4*) we can revive the program in 2018-19. Follow that with a very good 2019 recruiting class, and we could be a successful ‘program’ again, and be able to get our fair share of 4* recruits in future years.
In fact, we must.
No more excuses.
Let’s go Johnnies.
We tend to rip UConn, Willard, SH, Chris Mack etc., but perhaps better to focus on our own program. Next year appears time to demonstrate we can be a program, not a chronic rebuild. I do believe with Ponds, a couple of bigs, a solid 19 class & improved coaching we can get there. Faltering in those areas would keep SJU in mediocrity imo. To a successful next season![/quote]
Next year “appears” time to demonstrate we can be a program in year 4? Not nearly strong enough IMO but bless your patience. If Mullin fails again you beg him to resign. If he refuses you fire him. This is not an emotional business, it’s a results oriented business. There’s a reason success is correlated with being more of a straight shooter instead of agreeable people or yes men. We’d all love to see tourney next yr and it’s possible, but our fans have suffered far too long to continue with failure and befriend it. Credit UConn for not accepting failure. If Ollie was our coach, winning a NC would guarantee coaching here until he dies even if he never won another game after it. Respect your patience but at a certain point you must force change.[/quote]
I agree with both Paultz and Z. IF we get some BE-quality bigs to go with Ponds, Simon, Clark, Dixon, Keita and the freshmen recruits (3*/4*) we can revive the program in 2018-19. Follow that with a very good 2019 recruiting class, and we could be a successful ‘program’ again, and be able to get our fair share of 4* recruits in future years.
In fact, we must.
No more excuses.
Let’s go Johnnies.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=278038][quote="austour" post=277772][quote="Knight" post=277751]Are schools permitted to bring in specialists to help with player development? Like someone to work with bigs.[/quote]
Zendon worked with STJ bigs for a couple of years, unpaid I believe. Special Assistants like Keady and Mitch in his old role were allowed to work with players one on one on skill development, just not run team practices. I don't think Mitch is running any team practices nor does he seem to be recruiting very much so maybe he should go back to that role and spend 12 hours a day trying to improve Justin's outside shot. That would go a long way if Justin could shoot like Mitch.[/quote]
Zendon is a great guy, and a long island guy, but also a perfect example of why you don't need a big to work with a big. He was a very athletic guy for his size, could shoot fairly well from mid range and had these funky left handed moves that were difficult to stop. He also drove SJU fans crazy by putting the ball on the floor when he didn't have to, and holding the ball very low on drives to the hoop where much shorter guys could strip him. Kind of do as I say, not as I did coaching I'd guess[/quote]
Very true, but he did get up close and personal looks at great big men in the NBA over the course of 6 years, maybe he could teach based on them. But I was just pointing out that it was allowed to have non AC's do specialized training.
Zendon worked with STJ bigs for a couple of years, unpaid I believe. Special Assistants like Keady and Mitch in his old role were allowed to work with players one on one on skill development, just not run team practices. I don't think Mitch is running any team practices nor does he seem to be recruiting very much so maybe he should go back to that role and spend 12 hours a day trying to improve Justin's outside shot. That would go a long way if Justin could shoot like Mitch.
[/quote]Zendon is a great guy, and a long island guy, but also a perfect example of why you don't need a big to work with a big. He was a very athletic guy for his size, could shoot fairly well from mid range and had these funky left handed moves that were difficult to stop. He also drove SJU fans crazy by putting the ball on the floor when he didn't have to, and holding the ball very low on drives to the hoop where much shorter guys could strip him. Kind of do as I say, not as I did coaching I'd guess[/quote]
Very true, but he did get up close and personal looks at great big men in the NBA over the course of 6 years, maybe he could teach based on them. But I was just pointing out that it was allowed to have non AC's do specialized training.