Cuse Leaving in 2013
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Syracuse needs St. Johns more than St. John's needs Syracuse. A ranked Syracuse vs. a ranked North Carolina at MSG is a yawn for most NY'ers. A very good SJU team vs. a very good Syracuse team captivates the city. Lose a NY presence and Syracuse is in Northeast obscurity. If SJU lets them have their cake and eat it, we deserve to lose lost recruit to that frozen wasteland of a city.
Monasch should be more focused on rebuilding our fan base than relying on 15,000 SU fans to fill the Garden when we play them.
Monasch should be more focused on rebuilding our fan base than relying on 15,000 SU fans to fill the Garden when we play them.
DieHard Johnny
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Screw them too!
DieHard Johnny
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Moanasch doesn't focus good due to over exposure to UVA & UVB rays
I doubt that the University of $yracuse will forfeit the revenue from 25,000+ ticket and concession sales at the Carrier Dome to move a Duke or UNC game to Madison Square Garden.
Each time my $yracuse University acquaintances brag about their pending great games with Puke and UNC I remind them that the ACC also brings less glamorous games against Wake Forest, Clemson, Fla State, Goeorga Teck and others.
To their credit the University of $yracuse fan base has been supportive of their team and travels well within the 5 hour drive radius Providence, St. John's, RUTgers, Yukon, Seaton Hall, and Villanova. I believe that the $U fan base will be cut off in its travels to many of the ACC locations. Boston Colege will be the only school within the 5 hour radius for the Syracuse yahoos to drive to as all of the other destinations will be longer than casual day trips.
From all I have seen both Pitt$ and $U were less than candid with the Big East during 2011 negotiations with networks so for that reason I wish neither good luck and hope that Clemson and Florida State eventually exit.
Each time my $yracuse University acquaintances brag about their pending great games with Puke and UNC I remind them that the ACC also brings less glamorous games against Wake Forest, Clemson, Fla State, Goeorga Teck and others.
To their credit the University of $yracuse fan base has been supportive of their team and travels well within the 5 hour drive radius Providence, St. John's, RUTgers, Yukon, Seaton Hall, and Villanova. I believe that the $U fan base will be cut off in its travels to many of the ACC locations. Boston Colege will be the only school within the 5 hour radius for the Syracuse yahoos to drive to as all of the other destinations will be longer than casual day trips.
From all I have seen both Pitt$ and $U were less than candid with the Big East during 2011 negotiations with networks so for that reason I wish neither good luck and hope that Clemson and Florida State eventually exit.
It's not about the $ when it comes to MSG. It's about the prestige, showing your face to their NYC area alums/fans, recruiting and maintaining their "NY's team" status. It's also about rubbing it into the face of the Big East. You can't put a monetary value on those intangibles they'll never get from playing up in the great white north.
Agreed, and additonally:
Syracuse isn't going to schedule a big-time ACC opponent away from their dome. They will schedule a 'neutral' against a couple of non-conference opponents, or perhaps a middling ACC opponent at MSG or Barclays. They'll be fine. They will take care of their fan base that lives in the NYC area. There is nothing we can do about that, but we shouldn't help them out by scheduling them.
We will be fine. I don't think we should schedule Syracuse for all the reasons already mentioned above... or rather, my personal take is that we shouldn't schedule them until a few years has passed by and hopefully we are consistently a top 25 team that draws a larger contingent of our own fans. Then scheduling Syracuse would be ok - we just don't want to be embarrassed on our court like we have in the last bunch of years. If we rekindle the rivalry (not much of a rivalry right now unfortunately) in a few years, the hatred will still be there and they be fun games.
Syracuse isn't going to schedule a big-time ACC opponent away from their dome. They will schedule a 'neutral' against a couple of non-conference opponents, or perhaps a middling ACC opponent at MSG or Barclays. They'll be fine. They will take care of their fan base that lives in the NYC area. There is nothing we can do about that, but we shouldn't help them out by scheduling them.
We will be fine. I don't think we should schedule Syracuse for all the reasons already mentioned above... or rather, my personal take is that we shouldn't schedule them until a few years has passed by and hopefully we are consistently a top 25 team that draws a larger contingent of our own fans. Then scheduling Syracuse would be ok - we just don't want to be embarrassed on our court like we have in the last bunch of years. If we rekindle the rivalry (not much of a rivalry right now unfortunately) in a few years, the hatred will still be there and they be fun games.
There will be more orange fans than dookies, and even if there aren't they'll be louder than their polite cousins from down south. Ever see an orange crowd if they're in the semis or finals of the be tourny? They own the garden.
Besides, what's not to say that they play two years in a row at msg so nobody loses their "homecourt advantage"
The local media coverage will be outstanding, think that the local TV stations are going to be at the dome?
Class of 72
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Look, let's get this "New York's Team" bull straight. There are two New Yorks in my reality......there is New York City and the NY metro area and then there is the rest of the state of New York. Unless one is a Syracuse alum, no one in the NY area gives a crap about Syracuse, the city or Syracuse, the University!
Fans and the media heads know that when St. John's is ranked all of NYC loves them, not just their alums, because they are the real NYC team.
Syracuse fans driving 5 hours and 250 miles to the City is like St. John's fans driving to Washington DC or Boston and claiming those markets because we have alums there. It is like UCLA claiming Fresno. The reality of geography interrupts the Cuse coitus with NYC. To extend my analysis even further I postulate that if it were not for NY area Jewish kids with decent HS grades who could not get into NYU or Columbia, and settled on Syracuse, the academic student profile at Syracuse could well resemble SUNY Albany. If Jewish "B" students stopped attending Syracuse, they would slip from #62 to #122 in one graduating class!
DieHard Johnny
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where is the boheim statue scuse is the biggest joke in the big east no one wants to go there no more ! :evil:
First I guess you missed the fact that I put NY's team in quotes, Second if you think outside of alums nobody here is cuse fans then I guess you miss all the kids walking around in cuse gear and all the cuse gear for sale in the local sporting goods and chain stores. I guess you also miss the local media coverage they get and their sign at Yankee Stadium. Third, your claim that our fans travel like theirs is absurd, we don't have as many fans going to DC in ten years as they have in one MSG game, And why would our fans travel to Boston? And finally, nice job of religious profiling of Syracuse students. :huh:
I don't think our fans travel particularly well at all but lets hope that will change once we improve.
However, I am not sure 72 was saying that our fans do in fact travel well.
However, I am not sure 72 was saying that our fans do in fact travel well.
Surprised to hear you come right out and blame the Jews. Usually these sentiments are expressed a little more obliquely, you know, like about how the Jews control the Newhouse School of Public Communication.
FYI 51 percent of SU students come from outside of NY state, and 17 percent of the student population is Jewish. Being that around 10 percent of the population of NYS is Jewish, that makes perfect sense. And in fact that 17 percent is in line with these numbers: SUNY Buffalo 13 percent; SUNY Stony Brook 17 percent; Hofstra 21 percent. The Jews seem to have infiltrated SUNY Albany - a robust 34 percent - but who cares about the America East anyway.
Class of 72
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Not "blaming" the "Jews" Mr. Fun! I was giving them credit for raising Syracuse's academic profile!! My Jewish next door neighbors are Cuse alums and their son currently attends. We have had many friendly tongue and cheek discussions and one involves the Cuse "Jewish" identity. BTW, Out of 500 colleges in North America, Syracuse is in the top 10 in Jewish students. I am more concerned at Fab Melo's inability to read and write English that held the Jewish students in his classes back! LOL!
You are pretty much on target with Newhouse and the graduate programs at Newhouse are likely a third Jewish. But Hillel has been tracking Jewish students in universities for years and they indicate 1 in 4 students at Cuse identify themselves as Jewish. I am not a math wiz but that is around 25%. Last I checked central New York had a Jewish population in the single digits.
Thanks for the stats on Jewish students at other schools. They obviously know a good value when they see one! You left out the best of the SUNY schools Binghamton, the true Yeshiva of the bunch.
BTW, In North America NYU is #1 in Jewish students. But they are the "A" students and not the NYU rejects that enroll at Syracuse and yet without that 25% Jewish population, Syracuse is a rather average academic school. That little dirty secret has been known for years.
That the Orange "market" themselves better is a non-brainer! we have had that discussion here on redmen for many a moon.
But thanks to some here for coming to the defense of the "Jews" as Fun describes them! It is about time someone stood up for smart ethnic groups! Now if we can only defend our borders against the invading Mexicans we may be able to make America smarter!!
Class of 72
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Thanks for missing by points! Funny, I live in NYC and I don't see all that Cuse wear on kids except around MSG when the Cuse plays there. I see a lot more NYU gear but hey, they are the Violets and why would anyone want to wear "orange"?
Local media coverage? You mean the local media grads from Newhouse?? Syracuse sign at Yankee stadium? I would not know, I am a Mets fan. SJ fans travel well????? We do not travel well to MSG, forget Boston! But you missed the geographic joke....DC and Boston are as close to NYC as is Syracuse!
I will apologize for profiling the only smart students at Syracuse.......I will stick to the illiterate student athletes like Carmelo Anthony who attended no classes and Fab Melo who could not find any classes taught in Portuguese.