Cuse Leaving in 2013

Parting shot from Boeheim (per Zags):

“The Big East is not what it used to be,” Boeheim told the Syracuse Post-Standard after the U.S. club’s 80-69 exhibition victory over Brazil on Monday night in Washington.

“I think the ACC is a tremendous league and it’s a tremendous opportunity for us. To stay in one time zone and play in a great conference — a great all-around conference, but, specifically, a great basketball conference — is a great thing.”
Boeheim on Big East 

This should sit in every remaining BE school's locker room for this upcoming season.
 

Boheim is a complete jerk have fun getting blown out on tabacco road you whiny :nerd: 
 
 Syracuse University's astute former Athletic Director Jake Crothemel convinced the other Big East Conference schools to isolate Boston College, Miami and VaTeck after those 3 schools left the Big East by refusing to schedule them.

The remaining Big East schools should again adopt Mr. Crothemel's recommendation and St.John's, Yukon, Villanova, G'town, TheHall, Providence, Marquette, and DePaul should all agree not schedule Syracuse University in basketball or any other sport.

Don't give "New York's Team" a forum to play  St.John's.

Let Syracuse play a southern or west coast team in Madison Square Garden but not a remaining Big East team.
 



Could not agree more, in the NCAA Tournament and nothing else.
Giving them a game at the garden only hurts us.
 


Yeah lets not play Cuse we may sellout the building. Lets stick to games we get 10K max
  


Some here will never get it! There is no reason, ZERO, nada to give Cuse NYC exposure. NONE...get it?? if suntan man at SJ is open to it, so is the door from his office to some Sun Belt school needing a tanned AD.
 

Correct you are and most here will never get it.
If we are good , which is coming soon, we will always sell out.
 
K
Parting shot from Boeheim (per Zags):

“The Big East is not what it used to be,” Boeheim told the Syracuse Post-Standard after the U.S. club’s 80-69 exhibition victory over Brazil on Monday night in Washington.

“I think the ACC is a tremendous league and it’s a tremendous opportunity for us. To stay in one time zone and play in a great conference — a great all-around conference, but, specifically, a great basketball conference — is a great thing.”
Boeheim on Big East 

This should sit in every remaining BE school's locker room for this upcoming season.
 

To stay in one time zone?? Is this the best excuse Jim can come up with? What's next? That drunk Elvis impersonator at West Virginia telling folks it is great our players will have to travel three time zones and 1,200 miles for every game because learning geography is good for the Mountaineer program.
Yes Jim the Big East is not what it used to be because scumbag college presidents are simply chasing dollars and proving to their Finance majors that greed is good. Oh, and it not what it used to be because Syracuse, Pitt, BC, and West Virginia destroyed their relationship with the founding members. It is not what it used to be because the ACC wants to become the Big East in basketball where the ACC had become the #2 basketball conference on the East coast. Oh, and pushing 70 it is important for Jim to play in one time zone, eat lunch at 11 am, dinner at 4 and not remember your associate head coach was a degenerate predator and his wife was sucking off the bench players because, well Jim, age does funny things to a college coaches judgment.....
 
This  is nothing more than the President of SU telling Jimmy, "Who signs his paychecks", and to make "the New York alumni happy". Don't read anything more into it and don't schedule them.
 
This  is nothing more than the President of SU telling Jimmy, "Who signs his paychecks", and to make "the New York alumni happy". Don't read anything more into it and don't schedule them.
 

I will bash Syracuse to my dying breath but never, ever will I say a negative thing about that fine piece of tail....Mrs. Boeheim! A man has his limits.
 
This isn't about what a game does or doesn't do for Syracuse. The only consideration should be whether or not it helps St. Johns.

And there is no other opponent we can beat, which would be as big a recruiting tool as beating Syracuse at MSG.
Jermaine Lawrence, Whitehead.. all these recruits we're after are considering SU as well. That's not going to change just because they move to the ACC.

But we have to be good enough to be competitive in those games. I'm confident we will be. And the fans will come. Nobody expects it to be all Mets fans when they host the Yankees. Recruits understand there are going to be Syracuse fans at a game at the Garden.
But beating 'Cuse in front of a packed house is the closest thing we can have to Duke hosting a recruit the weekend they play Carolina, or Michigan hosting recruits when they play Ohio State. 

You guys are ignoring what a game against Syracuse does for our program.
 

You are in the "I just do not get it" club! MSG is the redmen's home court. If your idea of having a home court advantage is 15,000 tickets sold on the open market to Syracuse fans, then you failed Marketing 101. Cuse had a NYC metro market wil the Hall, Rutgers and SJ. They traded that market for the closest rival they should now have to NYC......BOSTON! Hopefully, down the road, they do as well as Miami and BC are now doing in both football and basketball!
 

I don't think it's a home court advantage when we play in front of Cuse crowds. But I'm also realistic. There has been near zero demand for SJU tickets in the last decade. We've been awful. We were 32-70 in conference games during Norm. No one's going to come to watch that. So while it angers me, it doesn't surprise me that Syracuse fans have been overwhelming.

But I think our attendance will improve. We've had a similar situation with UCONN, and especially in the late 90's, their fans flooded the Garden. The Artest/Postell teams negated that advantage pretty well, and we had good crowds for home games and Big East tournament games. But that's because we were competitive.

I think our attendance will improve. If it doesn't, then I would agree with you, we shouldn't schedule Syracuse.
But if we are good, then playing Syracuse is a huge recruiting tool for us that we shouldn't throw away.
 

My last response to this and your POV----Once SJ is again relevant and nationally ranked we will not need Syracuse at MSG. SJ can schedule nationally ranked (non-former Big East schools ad nauseum) but NEVER EVER Syracuse. Their NYC metro exposure must be limited ----- that is what will work to SJ's advantage.
Out of desperation, the Orange will deprive their Dome fans and play games at MSG or even Brooklyn as an ACC home game against a Duke, UNC or even Pitt. That should be the price their "home" fans in the city of Syracuse should pay for their betrayal. SJ scheduling them at MSG or even Brooklyn would be moronic unles SJ was given 75% of the tickets and that will not happen.
 

Your on the money class of 72 great points!
Johnnies need to take back the Garden bigtime & the less scuse & pitt play there its to our advantage.
As i said before a Holiday fest with Florida or Kentucky will draw especially if the johnnies are ranked top 25
 
Parting shot from Boeheim (per Zags):

“The Big East is not what it used to be,” Boeheim told the Syracuse Post-Standard after the U.S. club’s 80-69 exhibition victory over Brazil on Monday night in Washington.

“I think the ACC is a tremendous league and it’s a tremendous opportunity for us. To stay in one time zone and play in a great conference — a great all-around conference, but, specifically, a great basketball conference — is a great thing.”
Boeheim on Big East 

This should sit in every remaining BE school's locker room for this upcoming season.
 

Don't like the quote at all and classless for Boeheim to state in public but the part about the BE is the truth.
 
Boeheim is just being a compliant soldier. Truth of the matter is Syracuse is moving to the ACC because of two idiots. Chancelor Nancy Cantor and AD Dr. Daryl Gross. When this move was first announced you could tell by certain things that Boeheim said in the local newspaper showed his displeasure. Cantor and Gross are from the Left Coast and know nothing about the traditions or history of the Big East nor do they care. Speaking to people in the street, I can say clearly, most of the ones I have talked to are against the move, and are not excited about it. 
 
No, I think Boeheim is a fraud - but don't care it will be the worst move (along with Missouri, Nebraska, West Virginia et al) it has worked wonders for Boston College? 
 
I hate Syracuse for leaving the BE, and I love rooting against them (fan of STJ and any team playing against Cuse). That said, I'm looking forward to playing them anytime, anywhere during the Lavin era, as long as Cuse remains a top program. All this talk about STJ needing to protect its turf by avoiding MSG games against Cuse is, IMO, weak. If we are truly a program on the rise, with one of the top recruiting staffs in the country and on the cusp of becoming a perennial top 25 team, we shouldn't shy away from any major program looking to play us at home. And this notion about punishing Cuse for leaving the BE by not playing them at MSG is also, IMO, a loser mentality. I say let's punish them by kicking their asses everytime we play them at MSG. 
 
I hate Syracuse for leaving the BE, and I love rooting against them (fan of STJ and any team playing against Cuse). That said, I'm looking forward to playing them anytime, anywhere during the Lavin era, as long as Cuse remains a top program. All this talk about STJ needing to protect it's turf by avoiding MSG games against Cuse is, IMO, weak. If we are truly a program on the rise, with one of the top recruiting staffs in the country and on the cusp of becoming a perennial top 25 team, we shouldn't shy away from any major program looking to play us at home. And this notion about punishing Cuse for leaving the BE by not playing them at MSG is also, IMO, a loser mentality. I say let's punish them by kicking their asses everytime we play them at MSG.
 

You should have stopped at "I hate Syracuse" :Z
Refresh my memory....how many times has Cuse scheduled schools that left the Big East? It is about integrity and market share. Ever think of the scumbag Cuse fans chants at MSG if SJ gets beaten on national TV??? Great publicity, ya think????
 
I hate Syracuse for leaving the BE, and I love rooting against them (fan of STJ and any team playing against Cuse). That said, I'm looking forward to playing them anytime, anywhere during the Lavin era, as long as Cuse remains a top program. All this talk about STJ needing to protect it's turf by avoiding MSG games against Cuse is, IMO, weak. If we are truly a program on the rise, with one of the top recruiting staffs in the country and on the cusp of becoming a perennial top 25 team, we shouldn't shy away from any major program looking to play us at home. And this notion about punishing Cuse for leaving the BE by not playing them at MSG is also, IMO, a loser mentality. I say let's punish them by kicking their asses everytime we play them at MSG.
 

You should have stopped at "I hate Syracuse" :Z
Refresh my memory....how many times has Cuse scheduled schools that left the Big East? It is about integrity and market share. Ever think of the scumbag Cuse fans chants at MSG if SJ gets beaten on national TV??? Great publicity, ya think????
 

So you're suggesting that we duck every program that can beat us in the Garden to the extent you're worried about their fans' chants being picked up on national television? By that logic, we should never play Duke at the Garden. Sorry, but I don't share your view on this point.
 
I hate Syracuse for leaving the BE, and I love rooting against them (fan of STJ and any team playing against Cuse). That said, I'm looking forward to playing them anytime, anywhere during the Lavin era, as long as Cuse remains a top program. All this talk about STJ needing to protect its turf by avoiding MSG games against Cuse is, IMO, weak. If we are truly a program on the rise, with one of the top recruiting staffs in the country and on the cusp of becoming a perennial top 25 team, we shouldn't shy away from any major program looking to play us at home. And this notion about punishing Cuse for leaving the BE by not playing them at MSG is also, IMO, a loser mentality. I say let's punish them by kicking their asses everytime we play them at MSG. 
 

Blowing Cuse out after they leave the Big East does nothing. It's pointless. All you're doing is giving their fanbase a shorter and easier road trip.

I don't care what the other BE schools do, but I hope SJU cuts them off completely.

If they want to play in NY, they can schedule games at the Barclay Center.

The NCAA selection committee loves storylines and local matchups, so we can meet them at a neutral site in the NCAA tourney.

But they should never step foot in MSG again unless it's a preseason invitational tourney against some other team or the NIT.
 
 DFF6,

It is not about "ducking" anyone. The concept of not scheduling a team that leaves the Big East was initiated by former Syracuse AD Jake Crothemel as a way to deny the team the geographic attraction it previously enjoyed. That is why Syracuse refused to play Boston college, VaTeck and UMiami. Mr. Crothemel's talking point was that BC had left the Big East to join the "southern schools" which is what St.John's and other Big East schools should say about SU.

I am at a loss to understand how you can spin Crothemel's position into SU "ducking" BC, VaTeck and UMiami.
 
 DFF6,

It is not about "ducking" anyone. The concept of not scheduling a team that leaves the Big East was initiated by former Syracuse AD Jake Crothemel as a way to deny the team the geographic attraction it previously enjoyed. That is why Syracuse refused to play Boston college, VaTeck and UMiami. Mr. Crothemel's talking point was that BC had left the Big East to join the "southern schools" which is what St.John's and other Big East schools should say about SU.

I am at a loss to understand how you can spin Crothemel's position into SU "ducking" BC, VaTeck and UMiami.
 

Forget it Otis he and others just do not get it.
No point flogging a dead horse.
As I said earlier I hope we never play them again other than in the NCAA Tournament.
 
But they should never step foot in MSG again unless it's a preseason invitational tourney against some other team or the NIT.
 


Well, that's MSG's decision, not STJ's and the way SU sells tix and MSG's goal to be a college hoops hotbed trust me they'll listen when Syracuse calls.
 
 DFF6,

It is not about "ducking" anyone. The concept of not scheduling a team that leaves the Big East was initiated by former Syracuse AD Jake Crothemel as a way to deny the team the geographic attraction it previously enjoyed. That is why Syracuse refused to play Boston college, VaTeck and UMiami. Mr. Crothemel's talking point was that BC had left the Big East to join the "southern schools" which is what St.John's and other Big East schools should say about SU.

I am at a loss to understand how you can spin Crothemel's position into SU "ducking" BC, VaTeck and UMiami.
 

Wow. I guess no one read, or simply ignored, the part of the post to which I was responding. In said post, it read: "Ever think of the scumbag Cuse fans chants at MSG if SJ gets beaten on national TV??? Great publicity, ya think????" The quote was not from Crothemel's position (at least not that I'm aware), but from Class of 72's post. Accordingly, I am not trying to "spin" anything Crothemel said or did by my last post. In any event, I'm not trying to convince anyone of my views on this. I understand Crothemel's view, as you and other posters effectively related on this board. But, Cuse is not VaTech, Miami or Boston College. They are, for the time being, one of the top college basketball programs in the country, and I put more emphasis on playing top programs on our home court, regardless of whether they defected from the BE or not, rather than on playing the snub card for the reasons that Crothemel decided to play those many years ago against lesser college BB programs.
 
But they should never step foot in MSG again unless it's a preseason invitational tourney against some other team or the NIT.
 


Well, that's MSG's decision, not STJ's and the way SU sells tix and MSG's goal to be a college hoops hotbed trust me they'll listen when Syracuse calls.
 

MSG does not dictate St. John's schedule or where we play our competition. I think we are all referring to regular season scheduling and not a Holiday Festival (fine with me), pre-season NIT or whatever. You defected from the conference----you do not get rewarded by still playing its members in demographic areas that WERE once to your advantage. You made your bed (see BC and MIami) and now you must move on.....period....the end!
 
 DFF6,

It is not about "ducking" anyone. The concept of not scheduling a team that leaves the Big East was initiated by former Syracuse AD Jake Crothemel as a way to deny the team the geographic attraction it previously enjoyed. That is why Syracuse refused to play Boston college, VaTeck and UMiami. Mr. Crothemel's talking point was that BC had left the Big East to join the "southern schools" which is what St.John's and other Big East schools should say about SU.

I am at a loss to understand how you can spin Crothemel's position into SU "ducking" BC, VaTeck and UMiami.
 To bad the new AD and president do not have the loyalty of Crothemel.
 
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