Criticism

[quote="Beast of the East" post=409506][quote="Moose" post=409498][quote="Beast of the East" post=409496][quote="RedStormNC" post=409494]Way too soon, but can't see school eating another salary anyway.[/quote]

Do you realize that if we kept Slice on the payroll, he is getting paid for this season, year 6 of his deal?[/quote]

Wonder what idiotic AD gave an assistant coach a guaranteed contract of that length.[/quote]

Did we have an AD at the time? Monasch was out the door by then. Was it Oliva that approved it.

One of the things that is a reality is not only did we hire a guy with no coaching experience and no college experience, but there was no AD in place. In other words we made a very risky hire (that if you remember I was totally in favor of, to put it mildly), under the worst possible circumstances. He had very little guidance and oversight, which definitely contributed to the problems he had. An experienced AD would never have gone for Slice with a 6 year guaranteed deal.

If you really think about it, given the fact that Monasch was headed out the door, we would have been better off to retain Lavin for the 6th season, hire someone of the caliber of MC or even MC, and let him hire the right coach. Even if the hired coach would have been Mullin, he would have had an experienced person above him, not what he ultimately had.[/quote]

You are correct. Monasch was still there but yes you alluded to someone else who was over Monasch and handling basketball duties and as a Superfan he let the coach get away with anything he wanted. Assistants aren't necessarily year to year so to speak but they aren't usually given long term contracts like that. And then a year in and SJU is left holding the bag.
 
[quote="Moose" post=409513][quote="Beast of the East" post=409506][quote="Moose" post=409498][quote="Beast of the East" post=409496][quote="RedStormNC" post=409494]Way too soon, but can't see school eating another salary anyway.[/quote]

Do you realize that if we kept Slice on the payroll, he is getting paid for this season, year 6 of his deal?[/quote]

Wonder what idiotic AD gave an assistant coach a guaranteed contract of that length.[/quote]

Did we have an AD at the time? Monasch was out the door by then. Was it Oliva that approved it.

One of the things that is a reality is not only did we hire a guy with no coaching experience and no college experience, but there was no AD in place. In other words we made a very risky hire (that if you remember I was totally in favor of, to put it mildly), under the worst possible circumstances. He had very little guidance and oversight, which definitely contributed to the problems he had. An experienced AD would never have gone for Slice with a 6 year guaranteed deal.

If you really think about it, given the fact that Monasch was headed out the door, we would have been better off to retain Lavin for the 6th season, hire someone of the caliber of MC or even MC, and let him hire the right coach. Even if the hired coach would have been Mullin, he would have had an experienced person above him, not what he ultimately had.[/quote]

You are correct. Monasch was still there but yes you alluded to someone else who was over Monasch and handling basketball duties and as a Superfan he let the coach get away with anything he wanted. Assistants aren't necessarily year to year so to speak but they aren't usually given long term contracts like that. And then a year in and SJU is left holding the bag.[/quote]

I will say this, in retrospect both the Mullin hire and Slice contract were mistakes..

But I personally cannot say I wss against either at the time. I bought into Mullin hype and also felt giving Barry a multi year deal to pull him away from Cal and UK would be worth it.

I was dead wrong.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=409516][quote="Moose" post=409513][quote="Beast of the East" post=409506][quote="Moose" post=409498][quote="Beast of the East" post=409496][quote="RedStormNC" post=409494]Way too soon, but can't see school eating another salary anyway.[/quote]

Do you realize that if we kept Slice on the payroll, he is getting paid for this season, year 6 of his deal?[/quote]

Wonder what idiotic AD gave an assistant coach a guaranteed contract of that length.[/quote]

Did we have an AD at the time? Monasch was out the door by then. Was it Oliva that approved it.

One of the things that is a reality is not only did we hire a guy with no coaching experience and no college experience, but there was no AD in place. In other words we made a very risky hire (that if you remember I was totally in favor of, to put it mildly), under the worst possible circumstances. He had very little guidance and oversight, which definitely contributed to the problems he had. An experienced AD would never have gone for Slice with a 6 year guaranteed deal.

If you really think about it, given the fact that Monasch was headed out the door, we would have been better off to retain Lavin for the 6th season, hire someone of the caliber of MC or even MC, and let him hire the right coach. Even if the hired coach would have been Mullin, he would have had an experienced person above him, not what he ultimately had.[/quote]

You are correct. Monasch was still there but yes you alluded to someone else who was over Monasch and handling basketball duties and as a Superfan he let the coach get away with anything he wanted. Assistants aren't necessarily year to year so to speak but they aren't usually given long term contracts like that. And then a year in and SJU is left holding the bag.[/quote]

I will say this, in retrospect both the Mullin hire and Slice contract were mistakes..

But I personally cannot say I wss against either at the time. I bought into Mullin hype and also felt giving Barry a multi year deal to pull him away from Cal and UK would be worth it.

I was dead wrong.[/quote] I was in favor of the Slice thing at the time too. Who would have thought he’s gone after a year if that’s not one of the craziest things we’ve had to deal with as fans I don’t know what is. As a net fan I’m mot sure which contract is worse his or Bobby Bonilla’s
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=409490][quote="Monte" post=409488][quote="Beast of the East" post=409436][quote="Monte" post=409429]CMA isn't going anywhere and the thought shouldn't even be entertained right now. I think 4 years is a fair amount of time to give him to substantially right the ship, and 5 years till the ship is completely righted. Having said that, I completely disagree that if for some reason it didn't work out with CMA, that it's the end of the world. There will be another good coach, maybe some young, hot up-an-comer, willing to come here. Hopefully we don't ever get to that point.[/quote]

Jay Wright's 1st three Villanova seasons:

2001-02 Villanova Big East 32 19 13 .594
2002-03 Villanova Big East 31 15 16 .484
2003-04 Villanova Big East 35 18 17 .514[/quote]

Wright took over for Lappas, who didn't do poorly at Nova. In fact, Lappas's winning % and tourney appearances at Nova were very similar to CMA's at Ark. So Wright came in to a better situation. The difference between Nova and us is that Nova strives for excellence both on the court and in the classroom. We, OTOH, seem to aim for mediocre-good. By year 3 Jay had 8 top 100 kids on his roster. The same for year 4 when he went 24-8/11-5, finished 4th in the Big East and made the tourney. We all know the rest.[/quote]

The situations are definitely not similar and any comparisons begin and end with "it takes some time for a new coach, even a great one, to get a program where he wants it. Not suggesting that Anderson walked into the same situation. Wright started at a better place. All the more reason for us to exercise some restraint and patience with CMA. He is not responsible for all the happened before him, and he has a solid resume of success.[/quote]

I wasn't suggesting that you were suggesting..... I was just adding to your post. Success on the court starts with success on the recruiting trail. Any suggestion that we can continue to recruit as we have and it will translate to success on the court is incorrect IMO. CMA can coach, I think the large majority of us can agree on that. Can he and his staff recruit well enough HERE? That we'll find out over the next few years.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=409516][quote="Moose" post=409513][quote="Beast of the East" post=409506][quote="Moose" post=409498][quote="Beast of the East" post=409496][quote="RedStormNC" post=409494]Way too soon, but can't see school eating another salary anyway.[/quote]

Do you realize that if we kept Slice on the payroll, he is getting paid for this season, year 6 of his deal?[/quote]

Wonder what idiotic AD gave an assistant coach a guaranteed contract of that length.[/quote]

Did we have an AD at the time? Monasch was out the door by then. Was it Oliva that approved it.

One of the things that is a reality is not only did we hire a guy with no coaching experience and no college experience, but there was no AD in place. In other words we made a very risky hire (that if you remember I was totally in favor of, to put it mildly), under the worst possible circumstances. He had very little guidance and oversight, which definitely contributed to the problems he had. An experienced AD would never have gone for Slice with a 6 year guaranteed deal.

If you really think about it, given the fact that Monasch was headed out the door, we would have been better off to retain Lavin for the 6th season, hire someone of the caliber of MC or even MC, and let him hire the right coach. Even if the hired coach would have been Mullin, he would have had an experienced person above him, not what he ultimately had.[/quote]

You are correct. Monasch was still there but yes you alluded to someone else who was over Monasch and handling basketball duties and as a Superfan he let the coach get away with anything he wanted. Assistants aren't necessarily year to year so to speak but they aren't usually given long term contracts like that. And then a year in and SJU is left holding the bag.[/quote]

I will say this, in retrospect both the Mullin hire and Slice contract were mistakes..

But I personally cannot say I wss against either at the time. I bought into Mullin hype and also felt giving Barry a multi year deal to pull him away from Cal and UK would be worth it.

I was dead wrong.[/quote]

What really sums up the Mullin tenure best for me is that he assigned coaching duties to a 20 something year old and had no intention of handling those himself.
 
[quote="Room112" post=409527][quote="fordham96" post=409516][quote="Moose" post=409513][quote="Beast of the East" post=409506][quote="Moose" post=409498][quote="Beast of the East" post=409496][quote="RedStormNC" post=409494]Way too soon, but can't see school eating another salary anyway.[/quote]

Do you realize that if we kept Slice on the payroll, he is getting paid for this season, year 6 of his deal?[/quote]

Wonder what idiotic AD gave an assistant coach a guaranteed contract of that length.[/quote]

Did we have an AD at the time? Monasch was out the door by then. Was it Oliva that approved it.

One of the things that is a reality is not only did we hire a guy with no coaching experience and no college experience, but there was no AD in place. In other words we made a very risky hire (that if you remember I was totally in favor of, to put it mildly), under the worst possible circumstances. He had very little guidance and oversight, which definitely contributed to the problems he had. An experienced AD would never have gone for Slice with a 6 year guaranteed deal.

If you really think about it, given the fact that Monasch was headed out the door, we would have been better off to retain Lavin for the 6th season, hire someone of the caliber of MC or even MC, and let him hire the right coach. Even if the hired coach would have been Mullin, he would have had an experienced person above him, not what he ultimately had.[/quote]

You are correct. Monasch was still there but yes you alluded to someone else who was over Monasch and handling basketball duties and as a Superfan he let the coach get away with anything he wanted. Assistants aren't necessarily year to year so to speak but they aren't usually given long term contracts like that. And then a year in and SJU is left holding the bag.[/quote]

I will say this, in retrospect both the Mullin hire and Slice contract were mistakes..

But I personally cannot say I wss against either at the time. I bought into Mullin hype and also felt giving Barry a multi year deal to pull him away from Cal and UK would be worth it.

I was dead wrong.[/quote]

What really sums up the Mullin tenure best for me is that he assigned coaching duties to a 20 something year old and had no intention of handling those himself.[/quote]

Mine was summed up when he didn't bother to show up for Sidney Wilson's visit.
 
I feel that so many of you on here are so optimistic and confident in CMA because of what Mullin was, and that is an awful coach. I was pumped for the Mullin hire at the time but after a few years realized he was so in over his head. He couldn't run a program properly and was mostly clueless.

Just because you were so tired of Mullin as a coach(which I was as well) does not mean we should be so lenient with CMA who does have a proven track record. My honest opinion is that since he has such a proven track record he should be able to recruit well and turn this program around more quickly than others. The defense and in game decisions have also bothered me as well. Look at how quickly NC state turned around with Keatts. Good coaches who have a name in the NCAA and have no losing seasons should be held to a hire standard if they are as elite as their record states.
 
[quote="TheArtest15" post=409529]I feel that so many of you on here are so optimistic and confident in CMA because of what Mullin was, and that is an awful coach. I was pumped for the Mullin hire at the time but after a few years realized he was so in over his head. He couldn't run a program properly and was mostly clueless.

Just because you were so tired of Mullin as a coach(which I was as well) does not mean we should be so lenient with CMA who does have a proven track record. My honest opinion is that since he has such a proven track record he should be able to recruit well and turn this program around more quickly than others. The defense and in game decisions have also bothered me as well. Look at how quickly NC state turned around with Keatts. Good coaches who have a name in the NCAA and have no losing seasons should be held to a hire standard if they are as elite as their record states.[/quote]

It's not a question of being lenient. I'm pissed as anyone at how the last 3 games have gone. But I also know were n the middle of a global pandemic and SJU is suffering financially in a HUGE way right now. Anderson is in his 2nd 'year' and there is no way he will be let go this year or even next year. Odds on him coaching a 4th year are also very high as well.

So if some posters want to be optimistic instead of wallowing for the next 2, 3 or 4 years I can see their point of view. Sure it might get a lot worse also but the deck is against us right now. He's the coach for the foreseeable future and you just have to hope he can right the ship. Otherwise we continuing the 5 year tradition of finding a new coach in 2024.
 
[quote="Moose" post=409528][quote="Room112" post=409527][quote="fordham96" post=409516][quote="Moose" post=409513][quote="Beast of the East" post=409506][quote="Moose" post=409498][quote="Beast of the East" post=409496][quote="RedStormNC" post=409494]Way too soon, but can't see school eating another salary anyway.[/quote]

Do you realize that if we kept Slice on the payroll, he is getting paid for this season, year 6 of his deal?[/quote]

Wonder what idiotic AD gave an assistant coach a guaranteed contract of that length.[/quote]

Did we have an AD at the time? Monasch was out the door by then. Was it Oliva that approved it.

One of the things that is a reality is not only did we hire a guy with no coaching experience and no college experience, but there was no AD in place. In other words we made a very risky hire (that if you remember I was totally in favor of, to put it mildly), under the worst possible circumstances. He had very little guidance and oversight, which definitely contributed to the problems he had. An experienced AD would never have gone for Slice with a 6 year guaranteed deal.

If you really think about it, given the fact that Monasch was headed out the door, we would have been better off to retain Lavin for the 6th season, hire someone of the caliber of MC or even MC, and let him hire the right coach. Even if the hired coach would have been Mullin, he would have had an experienced person above him, not what he ultimately had.[/quote]

You are correct. Monasch was still there but yes you alluded to someone else who was over Monasch and handling basketball duties and as a Superfan he let the coach get away with anything he wanted. Assistants aren't necessarily year to year so to speak but they aren't usually given long term contracts like that. And then a year in and SJU is left holding the bag.[/quote]

I will say this, in retrospect both the Mullin hire and Slice contract were mistakes..

But I personally cannot say I wss against either at the time. I bought into Mullin hype and also felt giving Barry a multi year deal to pull him away from Cal and UK would be worth it.

I was dead wrong.[/quote]

What really sums up the Mullin tenure best for me is that he assigned coaching duties to a 20 something year old and had no intention of handling those himself.[/quote]

Mine was summed up when he didn't bother to show up for Sidney Wilson's visit.[/quote]

And there were even worse recruiting stories than that.
 
[quote="TheArtest15" post=409529]I feel that so many of you on here are so optimistic and confident in CMA because of what Mullin was, and that is an awful coach. I was pumped for the Mullin hire at the time but after a few years realized he was so in over his head. He couldn't run a program properly and was mostly clueless.

Just because you were so tired of Mullin as a coach(which I was as well) does not mean we should be so lenient with CMA who does have a proven track record. My honest opinion is that since he has such a proven track record he should be able to recruit well and turn this program around more quickly than others. The defense and in game decisions have also bothered me as well. Look at how quickly NC state turned around with Keatts. Good coaches who have a name in the NCAA and have no losing seasons should be held to a hire standard if they are as elite as their record states.[/quote]

Don't think this has anything to do with patience or being tired of Mullin, but more so expectations being in line with reality. The reality of the situation is that we were projected to finish 9th in the Big East this year and not make the NCAA tourney. I'm not sure most even expected us to make the tournament this year. Next year was the year targeted. Yet here we are 9 games into a season where we had such low projections and you want to fire the coach. Like I said, maybe your expectations of what should be happening here are out of line with reality.
 
[quote="Monte" post=409429]CMA isn't going anywhere and the thought shouldn't even be entertained right now. I think 4 years is a fair amount of time to give him to substantially right the ship, and 5 years till the ship is completely righted. Having said that, I completely disagree that if for some reason it didn't work out with CMA, that it's the end of the world. There will be another good coach, maybe some young, hot up-an-comer, willing to come here. Hopefully we don't ever get to that point.[/quote]

SO that's the answer, if cma isn't the answer then no worries, there will always be someone waiting in the wings? Dude we been saying that for the last 20 years. Oh lavin is known and is a great recruiter, finally someone that knows what he's doing.
Mullin, best player in a school history, beloved by sju, he a former scout then gm. He really knows talent.
If anyone can be successful here it's the man Chris mullin.
How did those 2 workout here?

I really.pray cma is the man to do it here. I believe next year will tell alot with the amount of experience he'll have here.
If not him then we'll get someone of course, but aren't you sick of starting all over again?
The do overs to me are getting really hard to deal with.

A few more years of this you'll have to start believing that we're just like nyu, Fordham, and ccny. A once great basketball school that is a has been.
You could disagree if you want but just look at the last 20 years, can anyone tell me we done any more than those?













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[quote="Room112" post=409537][quote="TheArtest15" post=409529]I feel that so many of you on here are so optimistic and confident in CMA because of what Mullin was, and that is an awful coach. I was pumped for the Mullin hire at the time but after a few years realized he was so in over his head. He couldn't run a program properly and was mostly clueless.

Just because you were so tired of Mullin as a coach(which I was as well) does not mean we should be so lenient with CMA who does have a proven track record. My honest opinion is that since he has such a proven track record he should be able to recruit well and turn this program around more quickly than others. The defense and in game decisions have also bothered me as well. Look at how quickly NC state turned around with Keatts. Good coaches who have a name in the NCAA and have no losing seasons should be held to a hire standard if they are as elite as their record states.[/quote]

Don't think this has anything to do with patience or being tired of Mullin, but more so expectations being in line with reality. The reality of the situation is that we were projected to finish 9th in the Big East this year and not make the NCAA tourney. I'm not sure most even expected us to make the tournament this year. Next year was the year targeted. Yet here we are 9 games into a season where we had such low projections and you want to fire the coach. Like I said, maybe your expectations of what should be happening here are out of line with reality.[/quote]

I never once said I think we should fire the coach. I think the opposite. I think he should be given 4-5 years here to prove his worth. I am just saying that I am not happy with what hes done so far being here. Poor recruiting, poor in game decisions and rotations, one of the worst defensive teams ive seen here etc. Everyone keeps saying that they are so confident in CMA that he will right the ship here, but what has he done here to make you feel that way? I expected an improvement each year with CMA and it looks like we have regressed. And don't try to tell me now that everyone this summer didnt say "oh I think we are going to shock everyone" and "we have the deepest St. Johns team that we have ever had!". We haven't even played well in the games we've won, against garbage opponents. How is everyone still so confident? I would say more than 50% of posters on this site thought that we would be waaaaaay better than 9th in the Big East
 
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=409546][quote="Monte" post=409429]CMA isn't going anywhere and the thought shouldn't even be entertained right now. I think 4 years is a fair amount of time to give him to substantially right the ship, and 5 years till the ship is completely righted. Having said that, I completely disagree that if for some reason it didn't work out with CMA, that it's the end of the world. There will be another good coach, maybe some young, hot up-an-comer, willing to come here. Hopefully we don't ever get to that point.[/quote]

SO that's the answer, if cma isn't the answer then no worries, there will always be someone waiting in the wings? Dude we been saying that for the last 20 years. Oh lavin is known and is a great recruiter, finally someone that knows what he's doing.
Mullin, best player in a school history, beloved by sju, he a former scout then gm. He really knows talent.
If anyone can be successful here it's the man Chris mullin.
How did those 2 workout here?

I really.pray cma is the man to do it here. I believe next year will tell alot with the amount of experience he'll have here.
If not him then we'll get someone of course, but aren't you sick of starting all over again?
The do overs to me are getting really hard to deal with.

A few more years of this you'll have to start believing that we're just like nyu, Fordham, and ccny. A once great basketball school that is a has been.
You could disagree if you want but just look at the last 20 years, can anyone tell me we done any more than those?


Dude, I have no idea what your point is. You want CMA fired now? Is that it?











.[/quote]
 
[quote="Monte" post=409559][quote="EliteBaller K" post=409546][quote="Monte" post=409429]CMA isn't going anywhere and the thought shouldn't even be entertained right now. I think 4 years is a fair amount of time to give him to substantially right the ship, and 5 years till the ship is completely righted. Having said that, I completely disagree that if for some reason it didn't work out with CMA, that it's the end of the world. There will be another good coach, maybe some young, hot up-an-comer, willing to come here. Hopefully we don't ever get to that point.[/quote]

SO that's the answer, if cma isn't the answer then no worries, there will always be someone waiting in the wings? Dude we been saying that for the last 20 years. Oh lavin is known and is a great recruiter, finally someone that knows what he's doing.
Mullin, best player in a school history, beloved by sju, he a former scout then gm. He really knows talent.
If anyone can be successful here it's the man Chris mullin.
How did those 2 workout here?

I really.pray cma is the man to do it here. I believe next year will tell alot with the amount of experience he'll have here.
If not him then we'll get someone of course, but aren't you sick of starting all over again?
The do overs to me are getting really hard to deal with.

A few more years of this you'll have to start believing that we're just like nyu, Fordham, and ccny. A once great basketball school that is a has been.
You could disagree if you want but just look at the last 20 years, can anyone tell me we done any more than those?


Dude, I have no idea what your point is. You want CMA fired now? Is that it?











.[/quote][/quote]

You made it seem like if we have to do it all over again with a new coach, then no biggie.

Maybe to you it's not.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=409516][quote="Moose" post=409513][quote="Beast of the East" post=409506][quote="Moose" post=409498][quote="Beast of the East" post=409496][quote="RedStormNC" post=409494]Way too soon, but can't see school eating another salary anyway.[/quote]

Do you realize that if we kept Slice on the payroll, he is getting paid for this season, year 6 of his deal?[/quote]

Wonder what idiotic AD gave an assistant coach a guaranteed contract of that length.[/quote]

Did we have an AD at the time? Monasch was out the door by then. Was it Oliva that approved it.

One of the things that is a reality is not only did we hire a guy with no coaching experience and no college experience, but there was no AD in place. In other words we made a very risky hire (that if you remember I was totally in favor of, to put it mildly), under the worst possible circumstances. He had very little guidance and oversight, which definitely contributed to the problems he had. An experienced AD would never have gone for Slice with a 6 year guaranteed deal.

If you really think about it, given the fact that Monasch was headed out the door, we would have been better off to retain Lavin for the 6th season, hire someone of the caliber of MC or even MC, and let him hire the right coach. Even if the hired coach would have been Mullin, he would have had an experienced person above him, not what he ultimately had.[/quote]

You are correct. Monasch was still there but yes you alluded to someone else who was over Monasch and handling basketball duties and as a Superfan he let the coach get away with anything he wanted. Assistants aren't necessarily year to year so to speak but they aren't usually given long term contracts like that. And then a year in and SJU is left holding the bag.[/quote]

I will say this, in retrospect both the Mullin hire and Slice contract were mistakes..

But I personally cannot say I wss against either at the time. I bought into Mullin hype and also felt giving Barry a multi year deal to pull him away from Cal and UK would be worth it.

I was dead wrong.[/quote]

That is not exactly an exclusive club.
 
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[quote="Moose" post=409513][quote="Beast of the East" post=409506][quote="Moose" post=409498][quote="Beast of the East" post=409496][quote="RedStormNC" post=409494]Way too soon, but can't see school eating another salary anyway.[/quote]

Do you realize that if we kept Slice on the payroll, he is getting paid for this season, year 6 of his deal?[/quote]

Wonder what idiotic AD gave an assistant coach a guaranteed contract of that length.[/quote]

Did we have an AD at the time? Monasch was out the door by then. Was it Oliva that approved it.

One of the things that is a reality is not only did we hire a guy with no coaching experience and no college experience, but there was no AD in place. In other words we made a very risky hire (that if you remember I was totally in favor of, to put it mildly), under the worst possible circumstances. He had very little guidance and oversight, which definitely contributed to the problems he had. An experienced AD would never have gone for Slice with a 6 year guaranteed deal.

If you really think about it, given the fact that Monasch was headed out the door, we would have been better off to retain Lavin for the 6th season, hire someone of the caliber of MC or even MC, and let him hire the right coach. Even if the hired coach would have been Mullin, he would have had an experienced person above him, not what he ultimately had.[/quote]

You are correct. Monasch was still there but yes you alluded to someone else who was over Monasch and handling basketball duties and as a Superfan he let the coach get away with anything he wanted. Assistants aren't necessarily year to year so to speak but they aren't usually given long term contracts like that. And then a year in and SJU is left holding the bag.[/quote]

Five things:
1) if we had a competent AD in place, an assistant never would have gotten a 6 year guaranteed deal.
2) if the university had a competent attorney, he would have minimally not guaranteed all 6 years. Perhaps give the university a buyout with one year severance.
3) if we had a competent AD, he may have intervened early before the Slice wars became irreconcilable.
4) if Slice didn't have a guaranteed contract perhaps he wouldn't have behaved the way he did that got him dismissed.
5) $2.4 million is chump change in the nba, at st.johns it's an entire year of athletic fundraising. Mullin should have known better, but didn't.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=409574][quote="Moose" post=409513][quote="Beast of the East" post=409506][quote="Moose" post=409498][quote="Beast of the East" post=409496][quote="RedStormNC" post=409494]Way too soon, but can't see school eating another salary anyway.[/quote]

Do you realize that if we kept Slice on the payroll, he is getting paid for this season, year 6 of his deal?[/quote]

Wonder what idiotic AD gave an assistant coach a guaranteed contract of that length.[/quote]

Did we have an AD at the time? Monasch was out the door by then. Was it Oliva that approved it.

One of the things that is a reality is not only did we hire a guy with no coaching experience and no college experience, but there was no AD in place. In other words we made a very risky hire (that if you remember I was totally in favor of, to put it mildly), under the worst possible circumstances. He had very little guidance and oversight, which definitely contributed to the problems he had. An experienced AD would never have gone for Slice with a 6 year guaranteed deal.

If you really think about it, given the fact that Monasch was headed out the door, we would have been better off to retain Lavin for the 6th season, hire someone of the caliber of MC or even MC, and let him hire the right coach. Even if the hired coach would have been Mullin, he would have had an experienced person above him, not what he ultimately had.[/quote]

You are correct. Monasch was still there but yes you alluded to someone else who was over Monasch and handling basketball duties and as a Superfan he let the coach get away with anything he wanted. Assistants aren't necessarily year to year so to speak but they aren't usually given long term contracts like that. And then a year in and SJU is left holding the bag.[/quote]

Five things:
1) if we had a competent AD in place, an assistant never would have gotten a 6 year guaranteed deal.
2) if the university had a competent attorney, he would have minimally not guaranteed all 6 years. Perhaps give the university a buyout with one year severance.
3) if we had a competent AD, he may have intervened early before the Slice wars became irreconcilable.
4) if Slice didn't have a guaranteed contract perhaps he wouldn't have behaved the way he did that got him dismissed.
5) $2.4 million is chump change in the nba, at st.johns it's an entire year of athletic fundraising. Mullin should have known better, but didn't.[/quote]

I'll add a 6th: If we had a competent AD Mullin would not have been hired! This would eliminate the need for the first five.
 
[quote="Ron" post=409576][quote="Beast of the East" post=409574][quote="Moose" post=409513][quote="Beast of the East" post=409506][quote="Moose" post=409498][quote="Beast of the East" post=409496][quote="RedStormNC" post=409494]Way too soon, but can't see school eating another salary anyway.[/quote]

Do you realize that if we kept Slice on the payroll, he is getting paid for this season, year 6 of his deal?[/quote]

Wonder what idiotic AD gave an assistant coach a guaranteed contract of that length.[/quote]

Did we have an AD at the time? Monasch was out the door by then. Was it Oliva that approved it.

One of the things that is a reality is not only did we hire a guy with no coaching experience and no college experience, but there was no AD in place. In other words we made a very risky hire (that if you remember I was totally in favor of, to put it mildly), under the worst possible circumstances. He had very little guidance and oversight, which definitely contributed to the problems he had. An experienced AD would never have gone for Slice with a 6 year guaranteed deal.

If you really think about it, given the fact that Monasch was headed out the door, we would have been better off to retain Lavin for the 6th season, hire someone of the caliber of MC or even MC, and let him hire the right coach. Even if the hired coach would have been Mullin, he would have had an experienced person above him, not what he ultimately had.[/quote]

You are correct. Monasch was still there but yes you alluded to someone else who was over Monasch and handling basketball duties and as a Superfan he let the coach get away with anything he wanted. Assistants aren't necessarily year to year so to speak but they aren't usually given long term contracts like that. And then a year in and SJU is left holding the bag.[/quote]

Five things:
1) if we had a competent AD in place, an assistant never would have gotten a 6 year guaranteed deal.
2) if the university had a competent attorney, he would have minimally not guaranteed all 6 years. Perhaps give the university a buyout with one year severance.
3) if we had a competent AD, he may have intervened early before the Slice wars became irreconcilable.
4) if Slice didn't have a guaranteed contract perhaps he wouldn't have behaved the way he did that got him dismissed.
5) $2.4 million is chump change in the nba, at st.johns it's an entire year of athletic fundraising. Mullin should have known better, but didn't.[/quote]

I'll add a 6th: If we had a competent AD Mullin would not have been hired! This would eliminate the need for the first five.[/quote]

Didn’t Mullin reimburse the school for his bad hire?
 
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