100% most overrated team....100% pretender written all over them. They are in complete collapse mode since I called them out. I believe that's now 3-5 in their past 8 easily winnable MVC games. Still think these guys would "wipe the floor" with us and G'Town? Hah. They have nothing but bad losses...the most empty 20 win team ever perhaps.
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100% most overrated team....100% pretender written all over them. They are in complete collapse mode since I called them out. I believe that's now 3-5 in their past 8 easily winnable MVC games. Still think these guys would "wipe the floor" with us and G'Town? Hah. They have nothing but bad losses...the most empty 20 win team ever perhaps.
We are 7-5 in arguably the best conference in America. The MVC is what...9th or 10th best total? Creighton is supposed to be the clear juggernaut of that conference and they are only 9-5 without having to play any hardcore teams like Duke, Indiana, Michican, G'Town, Cuse, L'Ville, etc. Basically every team in the MVC is easily handling Creighton right now and you think a Big East team would have lots of trouble? Obviously they would beat us sometimes but if we could hold McDermott to 15 or less we win no doubt. Creighton in the Big East right now would be chewed up, spit out, and stepped on by probably everyone but USF.
We didn't struggle against Notre dame and they are smart on the court. We haven't struggled all that much except against Cuse. What we struggle with is ourselvses. We also struggle without Branch running the point.
As far as Creighton goes, I'm really starting to doubt them as an addition to the new Big East all together. I'm not sure they have the upward mobility that many other candidates have. They are also further west than I'd like. I think Xavier and Butler are locks. Next are Dayton and St Louis. 5th should be VCU which has nice enrollment, athletic department budget, good coach and a program that can go places. They play a great style as well under Smart.
As far as Creighton goes, I'm really starting to doubt them as an addition to the new Big East all together. I'm not sure they have the upward mobility that many other candidates have. They are also further west than I'd like. I think Xavier and Butler are locks. Next are Dayton and St Louis. 5th should be VCU which has nice enrollment, athletic department budget, good coach and a program that can go places. They play a great style as well under Smart.
At least you're agreeing that their losses are stupid and unexplainable.
They have most definitely fallen apart. I know you don't give credit to wins against non ranked teams but Creighton did go out and beat touney teams Wisc, Az St and Akron as well as Cal early. Now they have mos def fallen on tough times. That said they still have a better chance of dancing than STJ.
At least you're agreeing that their losses are stupid and unexplainable.
They have most definitely fallen apart. I know you don't give credit to wins against non ranked teams but Creighton did go out and beat touney teams Wisc, Az St and Akron as well as Cal early. Now they have mos def fallen on tough times. That said they still have a better chance of dancing than STJ.
Hey, Creighton easily could have shut me up and made me look like a fool doubting them, but they are 3-5 since I called them out. I do give credit for them beating a good unranked team like Wisconsin but IMO that's their only TRUE good win. Arizona State is like us beating South Carolina...a major conference team but never good. Same with Cal. Akron is Akron...not exactly a name brand. With that said, you are right...they do still have a better shot at the tourney than us, but it's not right IMO. You have to reward the teams who drag themselves through the mud playing the best of the best and have a strong but slightly worse record than the teams who sat back and relaxed on the beach their entire schedule coming out with a sexy record but put zero work in to get it. Creighton is a gimmick until they can prove they can consistently beat major ranked teams like Memphis, Gonzaga, Butler (all proven great mid majors), etc. Until then, they don't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath. We have done more to impress than Creighton has this year, but they will still get in the tourney even if they don't win their conference tourney. The pollsters love them and they get the benefit of being ranked no matter what happens. They are still #23 in one poll currently.
Willing to bet Duke gets a ton more 5 star recruits than Creighton so that's apples and oranges. Creighton simply isn't used to having to play against the best athletes...it's them who would be in shock, not us. We are used to the best the nation can throw at us. That's our baseline. Creighton is used to UNI, Missouri State, Bradley, Southern Illinois, etc. Our length would bother them, our speed would bother them, and they would be very confused with balls being batted everywhere by Sampson, Pointer, and Obekpa as well as covering more ground on D than teams in their conference can. McDermott is used to easy open looks all day from bad competition. If he doesn't get those easy looks, he will have fits and so will Creighton because he is the engine that makes Creighton go. No McDermott means no Creighton.
They won't be in any polls come Monday. Interesting that the writers dropped them this week but the coaches didn't.
Re getting to the dance, and this may be sacrilege on this board, but the years the BE got 9, 10 or 11 teams to the dance did anyone honestly believe the last few deserved to dance? I mean if so what is the regular season for? I'd rather see the top 2 from quality mid majors get in than the 7th ranked BCS conference team any day, regardless of resume. Play in your conference to prove you're amongst their best. If you're just mediocre in your own conference you shouldn't be dancing. I know that's not how it is, just how I feel, except in years like this when a mediocre STJ team has a chance to dance.
Re getting to the dance, and this may be sacrilege on this board, but the years the BE got 9, 10 or 11 teams to the dance did anyone honestly believe the last few deserved to dance? I mean if so what is the regular season for? I'd rather see the top 2 from quality mid majors get in than the 7th ranked BCS conference team any day, regardless of resume. Play in your conference to prove you're amongst their best. If you're just mediocre in your own conference you shouldn't be dancing. I know that's not how it is, just how I feel, except in years like this when a mediocre STJ team has a chance to dance.
They will still be there in the #28 spot waiting to be ranked again after their next win against some other cupcake though. It seems every win for them counts for 5 wins and every loss counts for half a loss. That's really them in a nutshell. Praise the wins, ignore the losses. Anyway, you have to understand that even "quality" mid majors have a different reality than the big guys. At first glance it may appear easier to dance in a major conference since being around .500 in conference can get you there with enough signature wins, but .500 in a major conference is not .500 in mid major language. There is a translation just like with money in other countries. A .500 Big East team would dominate a mid major conference other than the A-10 or WCC. A .500 mid major team would be a bottom feeder in the Big East. They are not transferable and that's why there are different standards. Mid majors have to do more, because they have the benefit of easy schedules and some times don't even have to play a ranked team like Creighton. You should only be in the top 25 as a mid major if you either A) have ranked wins or B ) have an undefeated or 1-2 loss conference record (all season). Not beating a ranked team and becoming ranked is like a joke. You are in a group of teams now that you don't belong with.
Dealing in absoluteness? The only thing I would agree on is they would have the best player on the court.
I'm not even sure they would beat us. Could they beat us? Of course! No doubt about it! I wouldn't be shocked to see them beat us. But I'm not gonna emphatically state they would (nor would I say, they would beat the pants off us) beat us.
Rob Lenhart
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Saying Creighton would beat the pants off us is funny. Did Cincy, ND, UConn, etc. beat the pants off us? No we beat them. I'm much more worried of Murray State than Creighton. At least Murray is athletic as hell and have many players that can make you pay. Canaan is the ring leader, but it's not just him. With Creighton, it's a 1 man show. Pass to McDermott, McDermott lays it up, McDermott for 3, McDermott drawing fouls, McDermott rebounding, etc. They are not hard to figure out, thus 3-5 in their past 8 MVC games (none of those losses to great teams). We may not be great offensively, but defensively we would not let them score at will like other mid majors do. Where is the Obekpa equivalent in the MVC? Don't worry I'll wait. Where's the Sampson equivalent in the MVC? Don't worry I'll wait. Obekpa/Pointer/Sampson would dominate them physically on D. At the very least they would alter a ton if shots if not blocking them. We have yet to see Dougie score 30 pts against a tall, long, athletic beast like Obekpa. We only see him dominating small, slow 2 and 3 star recruits. Can they beat us? Yes. In a tight game...we won't be blown out by them.