@Creighton, Sat., Jan. 13, 1p, FOX

SLYFOXX1968 said:
I think Pitino knows how to run his offense . You ever think maybe he realizes what he’s got in Dingle and Ledlum and they might be a little short of what he needs
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I find that logic so annoying. Let’s shut down all fan forums then because no fans know as much as even the worst coach let alone arguably the best coach in college basketball history.

You don’t get to be as good of a coach as Pitino is by not listening to anyone willing to give you their two cents. If you don’t think the staff has debated certain players taking too many shots, you’ve never been in a coaches meeting. Every assistant has their guys that they brought in and that they have bonded with.

Pitino would be the first guy to tell you the mistakes he made this year. He’s not going to tear down limited 5th year seniors 6 weeks before the end of the season. This is going to have to come mostly from the players themselves

Let’s just let Jenkins take every shot then.
 
Marillac2 said:
I find that logic so annoying. Let’s shut down all fan forums then because no fans know as much as even the worst coach let alone arguably the best coach in college basketball history.

You don’t get to be as good of a coach as Pitino is by not listening to anyone willing to give you their two cents. If you don’t think the staff has debated certain players taking too many shots, you’ve never been in a coaches meeting. Every assistant has their guys that they brought in and that they have bonded with.

Pitino would be the first guy to tell you the mistakes he made this year. He’s not going to tear down limited 5th year seniors 6 weeks before the end of the season. This is going to have to come mostly from the players themselves

Let’s just let Jenkins take every shot then.
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Pitino is perhaps the all time greatest coach, however I think I’d like to see him more active, not Hurley-active, with the refs.
 
Rocket said:
You want a disappearing act, re-watch the women's game against Uconn.
Also, on the injury front what is the status of Cruz?
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This may be Auriemma/Dailey’s best coaching job. Decimated by injuries to 4 key players, they start only one player over 6’, start 4 guards and play 4 freshman out of the 7 in rotation. But they play hellacious D and make you play very fast. They have the BE DPOY the last 2 years in Nika Muhl, who played Drake straight up, no switching and was able to take her completely out of the game.
Muhl last year played Caitlin Clark similarly in a UConn win over Iowa, and while she didn’t take her out of the game, she did harass her into 9-24 shooting, of which 2 of her baskets were breakaway layups off of Iowa steals.
Big UConn WBB fan, having been friends with Chris Dailey when she was an assistant at Rutgers. She has been the UConn Associate Head Coach since 1988 and is one of only 2 assistants to be named to the basketball HOF. Auriemma has shared many times that the tipping point in his interview for the Uconn job in 1985 (he was an assistant at U of Va.) was that if he got the job Dailey had agreed to come with him, she was that highly respected in WBB circles.
 
Jack Williams said:
You keep throwing the Soriano type caveat around, my hang up with that is.. you’ve watched all the games. You know the truth. Soriano doesn’t want that many shots. He keeps getting pushed around and receives the ball too far from the hoop.

But yes, in a nutshell, I don’t want jenkins averaging more shots than a Ponds, Hardy or Hatten. No argument from me there that that number needs to come down.

all I’m saying is, for me, it’s hard to kill the guy (Jenkins) for a high volume day when I look at how the rest of the team was playing.

Luis was the only guy I truly felt wanted to be out there in crunch time on offense. he continues to get pulled out of games because of fouls and shin splints, but to me the key to less jenkins is us accepting Luis is best talent and we need to run through him more
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Jack he is a center what is he supposed to do bring the ball up. He is also a good passer, he should at least get touches before guys are jacking up shots. Not sure how you can say Joel doesn’t want shots?

Basketball is not that hard, Your best player should touch the ball as much as possible. That is simply not happening here.

But you know what, we are better than we have been in a long while so as hard as it will be I am going to stop harping on it and just try to enjoy it. But again if we fall short of the tournament it will be because of something so obvious and seemingly correctable.
 
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carmineabbatiello said:
And if I choose the risotto for dinner we won't make the tournament. Omaha bricklayer Jenkins had 5 assts and 1 to in 31 minutes. His understudy had 1 asst and 4 tos, mostly of the breakaway layup variety in 9 minutes. Entire team had 5 assts and 6 tos. Previous game Robin had 8 assists and 2 tos. Rest of team 4 assts and 11 turnovers. See the trend? While unlike you I like and support ALL our less than perfect players , realistically we have 2 players that can consistently create their own shot off the dribble and 1 player that creates for others. You think that less Jenkins shots means more points scored when in fact it means more shot clock violations and turnovers. What you and your compadre do is akin to blaming Ginger and Mary Ann for not enough hot chicks on the island.
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I like Carmine but this post reminded me of Billy Madison’s economics answer in the challenge at end of the movie. And to sort of borrow a line from that movie, reading that post made everybody who read it dumber.
 
Marillac2 said:
I find that logic so annoying. Let’s shut down all fan forums then because no fans know as much as even the worst coach let alone arguably the best coach in college basketball history.

You don’t get to be as good of a coach as Pitino is by not listening to anyone willing to give you their two cents. If you don’t think the staff has debated certain players taking too many shots, you’ve never been in a coaches meeting. Every assistant has their guys that they brought in and that they have bonded with.

Pitino would be the first guy to tell you the mistakes he made this year. He’s not going to tear down limited 5th year seniors 6 weeks before the end of the season. This is going to have to come mostly from the players themselves

Let’s just let Jenkins take every shot then.
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Your first and last paragraphs make little sense to the issue you initially raised , which was your beef about Jenkins taking too many shots .

Your contention is that.Jenkins taking fewer shots that it frees up other players to take more and that should result in more points .

Well , judging by results to date , getting 11 points from 2 star Players allegedly , doesn’t get it done , does it ?

At this point , I’m not saying our 2 Ivies are not contributing but , rather they aren’t contributing enough .
Attributing their performance to Jenkins shooting too much in your opinion, doesn’t hold much evidence .

Which is why and fortunately so , our Bench players have taken up the slack and put points on the Board .

Contrast that with Creighton , who played their Core players significantly more than we did and got much more from them than we got from our Core .
 
GardenCity62 said:
Right now the tournament chances look very good. The big east losses were to top teams on their courts and we should win the four games vs Geo and De Paul.
The second half schedule is a lot easier than the first half.
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I feel exactly the same way I know you have to play the games but from what I've seen DePaul and Gtown are wins and were actually 8&2 right now. Just my opinion but go 500 on the balance of our schedule and we're 13&7!
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
Your first and last paragraphs make little sense to the issue you initially raised , which was your beef about Jenkins taking too many shots .

Your contention is that.Jenkins taking fewer shots that it frees up other players to take more and that should result in more points .

Well , judging by results to date , getting 11 points from 2 star Players allegedly , doesn’t get it done , does it ?

At this point , I’m not saying our 2 Ivies are not contributing but , rather they aren’t contributing enough .
Attributing their performance to Jenkins shooting too much in your opinion, doesn’t hold much evidence .

Which is why and fortunately so , our Bench players have taken up the slack and put points on the Board .

Contrast that with Creighton , who played their Core players significantly more than we did and got much more from them than we got from our Core .
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If you look at the top 15 teams in the country and I stopped after 15, you will find exactly ONE team that their point guard leads the team in shots. UConn. Newton averaging 15 a game on 11 shots. Which is still more efficient than Jenkins. He also goes to the line a lot.
 
I made a mistake about Dingle scoring 7 points against Creighton . He scored 9 . Which is what he has scored in the last 3 BE games .

For the Season here are Dingle Stats :

10.5 Avg Pts
1.2 Assists
1.9 Rebounds
41 percent shooting

Jenkins

13 Avg Pts
6.0 Assists top 20 in Country
4.0 Rebounds
40.3 percent shooting

Jenkins has to be in the game as much as possible since he checks the boxes that others don’t . He also is able to create his own shot

Neither Jenkins nor Dingle shot any free throws in the last 2 games . Even Soriano didn’t get to the line much Vs the Jays. Which was part of the unbalanced officiating .

Kalkenbrenner isn’t that great a defender to limit Soriano in the low box .
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
I made a mistake about Dingle scoring 7 points against Creighton . He scored 9 . Which is what he has scored in the last 3 BE games .

For the Season here are Dingle Stats :

10.5 Avg Pts
1.2 Assists
1.9 Rebounds
41 percent shooting

Jenkins

13 Avg Pts
6.0 Assists top 20 in Country
4.0 Rebounds
40.3 percent shooting

Jenkins has to be in the game as much as possible since he checks the boxes that others don’t . He also is able to create his own shot

Neither Jenkins nor Dingle shot any free throws in the last 2 games . Even Soriano didn’t get to the line much Vs the Jays. Which was part of the unbalanced officiating .

Kalkenbrenner isn’t that great a defender to limit Soriano in the low box .
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He definitely creates misses
I guess one way for Soriano to get the ball
 
Marillac2 said:
That was basically porn for officials. He’s going to have some fans wearing stripes.
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I shared this once before (probably when we hired RP) but will repeat here as it is relevant. . .Played golf a couple of times with an on the rise local ref (good friend of my friend’s son). He’s done a number of our games as well NCAA tourney games. So, he is legit…when we played golf back in May, I asked him about RP. . .said he’s not a whiner or a yeller. . .said he’s all business.
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
Your first and last paragraphs make little sense to the issue you initially raised , which was your beef about Jenkins taking too many shots .

Your contention is that.Jenkins taking fewer shots that it frees up other players to take more and that should result in more points .

Well , judging by results to date , getting 11 points from 2 star Players allegedly , doesn’t get it done , does it ?

At this point , I’m not saying our 2 Ivies are not contributing but , rather they aren’t contributing enough .
Attributing their performance to Jenkins shooting too much in your opinion, doesn’t hold much evidence .

Which is why and fortunately so , our Bench players have taken up the slack and put points on the Board .

Contrast that with Creighton , who played their Core players significantly more than we did and got much more from them than we got from our Core .
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So it’s okay to question Pitino’s recruiting?

My contention is not that Jenkins taking less shots “frees up other players to take more.” My contention, as dozens of posters have also opined, is that nobody on our goddamn team looks confident enough to make a meaningful basketball move — including the f*cking reigning second leading scorer in the nation!!!!! That’s not normal.

We have a player that handles the ball over 90% of the time he’s on the court. That same player took 17 shots! That same player made almost every meaningful pass as well.

At the same time everyone else around him is short-arming passes and shots and visibly uncomfortable and you don’t think there is any possible connection? That’s crazy. That’s f*cking crazy.

We haven’t had a player dominate the offense like this since Marcus Hatten. It was annoying as hell at times with Hatten, but at least everyone watching the game knew without a doubt that he was the best player on our team.

Pitino knows the fix at this point has to come from the players. Either Luis steps up and takes a portion of Jenkins role or we get to look forward to a 29% 3 pt shooter taking step-back threes late in games.

BTW, do you think there is a prayer in hell that Dingle’s father would allow his son to play with Jenkins if they each had a year of eligibility left? 😂. Half the team would not come back solely because of Jenkins.
 
Marillac2 said:
We haven’t had a player dominate the offense like this since Marcus Hatten.
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Good thing we can attempt to verify this claim using % of possessions used. Definition: A measure of personal possessions used while the player is on the court. Simply assigns credit or blame to a player when his actions end a possession, either by making a shot, missing a shot that isn’t rebounded by the offense, or committing a turnover

Through 17 games, Jenkins's percentage of possessions used while on the court is 25.3.
2023 - David Jones - 27.1
2022 - Julian Champagnie - 25.5
2021 - Julian Champagnie - 25.9
2020 - Mustapha Heron - 25.6
2020 - LJ Figueroa - 25.3
2019 - Shamorie Ponds - 27.5
2018 - Shamorie Ponds - 32(!)
2017 - Bashir Ahmed - 26.9

So, in the past 7 seasons we've had 8 players that have dominated the ball as much or more than Jenkins has thus far this season. Quite the ridiculous statement to say he's dominated the offense more than anybody since Marcus Hatten.
 
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MugCostanza said:
Good thing we can attempt to verify this claim using % of possessions used. Definition: A measure of personal possessions used while the player is on the court. Simply assigns credit or blame to a player when his actions end a possession, either by making a shot, missing a shot that isn’t rebounded by the offense, or committing a turnover

Through 17 games, Jenkins's percentage of possessions used while on the court is 25.3.
2023 - David Jones - 27.1
2022 - Julian Champagnie - 25.5
2021 - Julian Champagnie - 25.9
2020 - Mustapha Heron - 25.6
2020 - LJ Figueroa - 25.3
2019 - Shamorie Ponds - 27.5
2018 - Shamorie Ponds - 32(!)
2017 - Bashir Ahmed - 26.9

So, in the past 7 seasons we've had 8 players that have dominated the ball as much or more than Jenkins has thus far this season. Quite the ridiculous statement to say he's dominated the offense more than anybody since Marcus Hatten.
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I’d have gotten a brain injury trying to figure that out :)
 
I still think its that Pitino has everyone else on an extremely short leash and they play scared because of it...and Jenkins has almost no leash and has green light from Pitino. Its like a halo effect over Jenkins.
 
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