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[quote="MJDinkins" post=378607]

Nate Watson (#100). I'd even toss in Diallo (#117) and Maliek White (#127).[/quote]


Re Watson I was using RSCI. Re Diallo and White I'm a stickler for math.

But to your point Providence had the #2 class in the BE in 2017 and 18 per Scout. Not like Cooley has no talent on his bench.
 
[quote="austour" post=378632][quote="MJDinkins" post=378607]

Nate Watson (#100). I'd even toss in Diallo (#117) and Maliek White (#127).[/quote]


Re Watson I was using RSCI. Re Diallo and White I'm a stickler for math.

But to your point Providence had the #2 class in the BE in 2017 and 18 per Scout. Not like Cooley has no talent on his bench.[/quote]

Yeah, I figured you used RSCI (which, I also typically use) with your rankings.

I used 247 compilation rankings, which is quite similar, for Diallo and White since RSCI only ranks the top 100 players.
 
A few years ago i contemplated a business deal with a guy whose family owned a piece of an nba team and who is on the BOT at Fairfield. The talk turned to college basketball and specifically Big East basketball. Knowing Cooley came to Providence from Fairfield, i mentioned Cooley.

The guy began to gush about what an incredible person Ed Cooley is. He grew up in the poorest part of Providence. One of 9 kids with a mom on public assistance, he was actually taken in by a neighbor's family. The local YMCA was his salvation, where he learned to.play basketball. Aftsr failing to.attain the ncaa minimum on the SAT twice he worked hard academically and passed. The third score came under scrutiny and he was forced to take a supervised exam a 4th time. That time he attained a 1390. He played bball at Stonehill, a Jesuit school, where he also graduated from.

Upon taking the Providence job, he took a big chunk of his first significant coaching salary, and made a large donation to the Providence YMCA that helped turn his life around. I'm not even sure if that donation is public knowledge.

I always think of that reference when we play Providence, and surly demeanor or not, think of the odds Cooley beat, and what a high quality, high integrity guy he is.
 
Did not know that thanks for the cool info. I hate that Cooley always seems to be gunning for us in particular, but doubt most can deny he's a good man. He is very funny and down to earth and I think that is what makes him so endearing to their fanbase. Watching him and John Fanta during interviews is very entertaining...he's just like another guy having a beer joking around and breaking balls. So yes as much as I hate him when we play them, he's a very likeable guy. CMA gives me more of a Coach Carter type vibe and I also like that style. No nonsense, raise gentlemen, and have them become men not just basketball players.
 
I can't speak for Cooley. I can't remember anyone getting more out of his players than Anderson. Norm Roberts had much better players than Anderson has today. We saw how that went. Right now, Anderson is bringing in "Norm Quality" recruits...so we'll always be at the bottom of the league. At least they're more fun to watch.
 
[quote="newsman13" post=378666]I can't speak for Cooley. I can't remember anyone getting more out of his players than Anderson. Norm Roberts had much better players than Anderson has today. We saw how that went. Right now, Anderson is bringing in "Norm Quality" recruits...so we'll always be at the bottom of the league. At least they're more fun to watch.[/quote]

This is a Newsman compliment for sure! Anderson gets his team playing as hard and together as I’ve ever seen a. SJU team. We just need to land better players, which I agree with. That said I don’t think the kids we are landing are Norm quality. Not at all. Two juco all Americans and Posh should easily be a top 100 talent are really good recruits for us. It can always get better and I think it will as Anderson builds here.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=378667][quote="newsman13" post=378666]I can't speak for Cooley. I can't remember anyone getting more out of his players than Anderson. Norm Roberts had much better players than Anderson has today. We saw how that went. Right now, Anderson is bringing in "Norm Quality" recruits...so we'll always be at the bottom of the league. At least they're more fun to watch.[/quote]

This is a Newsman compliment for sure! Anderson gets his team playing as hard and together as I’ve ever seen a. SJU team. We just need to land better players, which I agree with. That said I don’t think the kids we are landing are Norm quality. Not at all. Two juco all Americans and Posh should easily be a top 100 talent are really good recruits for us. It can always get better and I think it will as Anderson builds here.[/quote]

We're always in "we'll see" mode with players we've never seen. We're bringing in three star players. That means they'll have big time limitations, no matter what they do against lesser talent. Imagine what Anderson would have done with "Norm's Players"...including Paris Horne, DJ Kennedy, Cedrick Jackson, Lamont Hamilton, Darryl Hill, Anthony Mason, Jr, Josh Burrell, etc, etc. There's no one on today's team as good as any of these.
 
Agree with Newsman. I'm sure at least 1 of Posh, Cole, Wusu will turn out to be solid players if not more, but we need studs if we want to compete in the Big East. None of the other teams are planning on bending over to give us some time in the sun. They keep reeling in 4 star studs year in and year out. The way we are recruiting right now, we are not landing consensus national studs like it or not. Posh is 3 star, Cole is a JUCO and Wusu was recruited by Bryant. That doesn't mean they can't become great of course but the odds are less likely vs. getting 4 star kids and that's who they will be playing every game in the Big East and most of the F5 OOC teams on the schedule. We need 4 stars to make CMA have a realistic chance of turning things around here in 3-4 yrs. We won't have any on the roster next year still. JC was a great hidden gem, but we can't always assume our poor recruiting will yield all hidden gems. Maybe our scouting is phenomenal and they all pan out to be beasts with great chemistry, but hard to see that happening if we're being real. We would need some Lavin type classes with some real solid transfers and several 4 yr players to make CMA work here long term. It's still early so CMA gets a pass for now, but next recruiting cycle he absolutely needs several 4 star guys.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=378672]Agree with Newsman. I'm sure at least 1 of Posh, Cole, Wusu will turn out to be solid players if not more, but we need studs if we want to compete in the Big East. None of the other teams are planning on bending over to give us some time in the sun. They keep reeling in 4 star studs year in and year out. The way we are recruiting right now, we are not landing consensus national studs like it or not. Posh is 3 star, Cole is a JUCO and Wusu was recruited by Bryant. That doesn't mean they can't become great of course but the odds are less likely vs. getting 4 star kids and that's who they will be playing every game in the Big East and most of the F5 OOC teams on the schedule. We need 4 stars to make CMA have a realistic chance of turning things around here in 3-4 yrs. We won't have any on the roster next year still. JC was a great hidden gem, but we can't always assume our poor recruiting will yield all hidden gems. Maybe our scouting is phenomenal and they all pan out to be beasts with great chemistry, but hard to see that happening if we're being real. We would need some Lavin type classes with some real solid transfers and several 4 yr players to make CMA work here long term. It's still early so CMA gets a pass for now, but next recruiting cycle he absolutely needs several 4 star guys.[/quote]

I think posh is easily a 4-star player. Kid scored 60 points with like a million treys and double digit assists last week. He’s still ranked based on his sitting out last year with a broken arm and hasn’t been re-ranked. No matter how well he plays he seemingly won’t be re-ranked. These ranking services suck and are not at all set in stone as they haven’t updated posh’s rankings at all this season.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=378607][quote="austour" post=378603][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=378557][quote="weathermannyc" post=378547]They are nuts. While, I believe that he has not done a great job this year...you have to be impressed with what he has done over his entire tenure at PC. This is his 9th season at PC. They have already made the NCAAs 5 years and he has already clinched at least at .500 conference record for the 7th time. He also did win an NCAA game in 2016 against USC in the 8-9 game. He has also gone to the NCAAs or NIT every year since his first season.

The previous 2 coaches were there for a combined 13 years, made it to the NCAAs twice with no wins and were .500 or better only 6 times. Cooley has probably come pretty close to the maximum possible at PC. They still think that Rick Pitino is walking through that door. But, fact is that they have won an NCAA tournament game in only 3 different seasons during my lifetime.[/quote]. I would take Cooley’s record over the last 9 years compared to ours . He’s gotten a small , 5000 students , school in Rhode Island to a every year competitor in the BE . He rarely gets top 100 talent , although AJ Reeves was probably in that category . He’s a good Coach . Good enough to be offered and turn down the Michigan job . He likes his Hometown .[/quote]

Actually there's 3 top 100's on the team right now (Duke #47, Reeves#48, Gantt #61) and one transferred out this summer (Langford).

PS I'm only looking at kids he recruited straight out of HS.[/quote]

Nate Watson (#100). I'd even toss in Diallo (#117) and Maliek White (#127).[/quote]. I stand corrected about Top 100 players for Providence . Thanks for the stats . But, in many respects those facts and players on Providence present even more damning evidence about St John’s recruiting during Cooley’s tenure . How does PC , Butler , Creighton, Xavier , SH , GTown, let alone Villanova consistently come up with much better talent ? For most of the last 20 years we have been seriously outmanned talent wise . That’s a fact . . I would hope that Coach Anderson could use his tenure at Arkansas , Missouri, Tulsa to entice top talent to come here . He probably or his Staff Should get on a Plane and scour Europe or Africa for a quality big man who can play . It remains to be seen . Our near 20 year Record of frankly , being a loser Program , doesn’t help to light up a Recruits eyes
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=378673][quote="Mike Zaun" post=378672]Agree with Newsman. I'm sure at least 1 of Posh, Cole, Wusu will turn out to be solid players if not more, but we need studs if we want to compete in the Big East. None of the other teams are planning on bending over to give us some time in the sun. They keep reeling in 4 star studs year in and year out. The way we are recruiting right now, we are not landing consensus national studs like it or not. Posh is 3 star, Cole is a JUCO and Wusu was recruited by Bryant. That doesn't mean they can't become great of course but the odds are less likely vs. getting 4 star kids and that's who they will be playing every game in the Big East and most of the F5 OOC teams on the schedule. We need 4 stars to make CMA have a realistic chance of turning things around here in 3-4 yrs. We won't have any on the roster next year still. JC was a great hidden gem, but we can't always assume our poor recruiting will yield all hidden gems. Maybe our scouting is phenomenal and they all pan out to be beasts with great chemistry, but hard to see that happening if we're being real. We would need some Lavin type classes with some real solid transfers and several 4 yr players to make CMA work here long term. It's still early so CMA gets a pass for now, but next recruiting cycle he absolutely needs several 4 star guys.[/quote]

I think posh is easily a 4-star player. Kid scored 60 points with like a million treys and double digit assists last week. He’s still ranked based on his sitting out last year with a broken arm and hasn’t been re-ranked. No matter how well he plays he seemingly won’t be re-ranked. These ranking services suck and are not at all set in stone as they haven’t updated posh’s rankings at all this season.[/quote]

I know he was 4 star before the injury on some sites...but not sure if that was even consensus. I'm just saying we need some top 50 talent to be here and badly. If DePaul can do it and PC can do it, no reason we can't. Seems we have been able to identify the kids who have talent but cannot close out e.g. Lecque, Kofi, Curbelo, etc. We really needed at least 1 of Curbelo or Kofi to really start to get cooking with gas. Those are legit Big East players who would go toe to toe with any opponent there. For now we have to buy low and hope we found diamonds in the rough for the whole team.
 
Beast of the East, very nice piece on Cooley's impoverished background and how he overcame it all. I have changed my opinion of him and maybe others on here have as well.

I must say when the announcers interview him after a game he comes off ok and with a sense of humor. I am not sure why I get the sense he doesn't like St. John's.

On the topic at hand, I'll take CMA for now, but time will tell.

Beast, b/t/w: Stonehill College is run by the Fathers of the Holy Cross (not the Jesuits). Those Fathers, of french origin, also run notably Notre Dame, King's College in Pennsylvania and a few other colleges.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=378685][quote="MCNPA" post=378673][quote="Mike Zaun" post=378672]Agree with Newsman. I'm sure at least 1 of Posh, Cole, Wusu will turn out to be solid players if not more, but we need studs if we want to compete in the Big East. None of the other teams are planning on bending over to give us some time in the sun. They keep reeling in 4 star studs year in and year out. The way we are recruiting right now, we are not landing consensus national studs like it or not. Posh is 3 star, Cole is a JUCO and Wusu was recruited by Bryant. That doesn't mean they can't become great of course but the odds are less likely vs. getting 4 star kids and that's who they will be playing every game in the Big East and most of the F5 OOC teams on the schedule. We need 4 stars to make CMA have a realistic chance of turning things around here in 3-4 yrs. We won't have any on the roster next year still. JC was a great hidden gem, but we can't always assume our poor recruiting will yield all hidden gems. Maybe our scouting is phenomenal and they all pan out to be beasts with great chemistry, but hard to see that happening if we're being real. We would need some Lavin type classes with some real solid transfers and several 4 yr players to make CMA work here long term. It's still early so CMA gets a pass for now, but next recruiting cycle he absolutely needs several 4 star guys.[/quote]

I think posh is easily a 4-star player. Kid scored 60 points with like a million treys and double digit assists last week. He’s still ranked based on his sitting out last year with a broken arm and hasn’t been re-ranked. No matter how well he plays he seemingly won’t be re-ranked. These ranking services suck and are not at all set in stone as they haven’t updated posh’s rankings at all this season.[/quote]

I know he was 4 star before the injury on some sites...but not sure if that was even consensus. I'm just saying we need some top 50 talent to be here and badly. If DePaul can do it and PC can do it, no reason we can't. Seems we have been able to identify the kids who have talent but cannot close out e.g. Lecque, Kofi, Curbelo, etc. We really needed at least 1 of Curbelo or Kofi to really start to get cooking with gas. Those are legit Big East players who would go toe to toe with any opponent there. For now we have to buy low and hope we found diamonds in the rough for the whole team.[/quote]

I don’t agree we need top 50’s. I think we need a team full of top 150 types, especially with the style we run. We need a team full of more capable players, especially offensively. I can see that Anderson can teach defense. With the right tools we will be fine but top 50 Is near 5-star country and while great is not necessary. Uconn won most of their championships without much top 50 talent. A guy like Kofi, it doesn’t make any sense for him to even stay another year at Illinois with his size and ability. I bet he’s gone already.
 
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[quote="MCNPA" post=378694][quote="Mike Zaun" post=378685][quote="MCNPA" post=378673][quote="Mike Zaun" post=378672]Agree with Newsman. I'm sure at least 1 of Posh, Cole, Wusu will turn out to be solid players if not more, but we need studs if we want to compete in the Big East. None of the other teams are planning on bending over to give us some time in the sun. They keep reeling in 4 star studs year in and year out. The way we are recruiting right now, we are not landing consensus national studs like it or not. Posh is 3 star, Cole is a JUCO and Wusu was recruited by Bryant. That doesn't mean they can't become great of course but the odds are less likely vs. getting 4 star kids and that's who they will be playing every game in the Big East and most of the F5 OOC teams on the schedule. We need 4 stars to make CMA have a realistic chance of turning things around here in 3-4 yrs. We won't have any on the roster next year still. JC was a great hidden gem, but we can't always assume our poor recruiting will yield all hidden gems. Maybe our scouting is phenomenal and they all pan out to be beasts with great chemistry, but hard to see that happening if we're being real. We would need some Lavin type classes with some real solid transfers and several 4 yr players to make CMA work here long term. It's still early so CMA gets a pass for now, but next recruiting cycle he absolutely needs several 4 star guys.[/quote]

I think posh is easily a 4-star player. Kid scored 60 points with like a million treys and double digit assists last week. He’s still ranked based on his sitting out last year with a broken arm and hasn’t been re-ranked. No matter how well he plays he seemingly won’t be re-ranked. These ranking services suck and are not at all set in stone as they haven’t updated posh’s rankings at all this season.[/quote]

I know he was 4 star before the injury on some sites...but not sure if that was even consensus. I'm just saying we need some top 50 talent to be here and badly. If DePaul can do it and PC can do it, no reason we can't. Seems we have been able to identify the kids who have talent but cannot close out e.g. Lecque, Kofi, Curbelo, etc. We really needed at least 1 of Curbelo or Kofi to really start to get cooking with gas. Those are legit Big East players who would go toe to toe with any opponent there. For now we have to buy low and hope we found diamonds in the rough for the whole team.[/quote]

I don’t agree we need top 50’s. I think we need a team full of top 150 types, especially with the style we run. We need a team full of more capable players, especially offensively. I can see that Anderson can teach defense. With the right tools we will be fine but top 50 Is near 5-star country and while great is not necessary. Uconn won most of their championships without much top 50 talent. A guy like Kofi, it doesn’t make any sense for him to even stay another year at Illinois with his size and ability. I bet he’s gone already.[/quote]

Dayton and SDSU have one 4 star on the roster and are in the top 10. Stop with the you only need 4 and 5s to compete. Coaching up, game planning, culture, stability lead to success. See the attachment for the breakdown of recruits of teams in the top 10
 
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[quote="BrookJersey Redmen" post=378693]Beast of the East, very nice piece on Cooley's impoverished background and how he overcame it all. I have changed my opinion of him and maybe others on here have as well.

I must say when the announcers interview him after a game he comes off ok and with a sense of humor. I am not sure why I get the sense he doesn't like St. John's.

On the topic at hand, I'll take CMA for now, but time will tell.

Beast, b/t/w: Stonehill College is run by the Fathers of the Holy Cross (not the Jesuits). Those Fathers, of french origin, also run notably Notre Dame, King's College in Pennsylvania and a few other colleges.[/quote]

He didn't like Lavin, because he felt the re-recruitment of Jakarr Sampson (who he really wanted) was dirty.

He and Mullin had words at the Dunk, after the one game in which Mullin beat him, over four years. I think one of them (or both) were upset with the physical play of the other team.

I also don't think he was happy about playing at CA this year, when we had 6 Big East games at MSG (including DePaul). Don't think he hates Anderson, though.
 
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[quote="BrookJersey Redmen" post=378693]Beast of the East, very nice piece on Cooley's impoverished background and how he overcame it all. I have changed my opinion of him and maybe others on here have as well.

I must say when the announcers interview him after a game he comes off ok and with a sense of humor. I am not sure why I get the sense he doesn't like St. John's.

On the topic at hand, I'll take CMA for now, but time will tell.

Beast, b/t/w: Stonehill College is run by the Fathers of the Holy Cross (not the Jesuits). Those Fathers, of french origin, also run notably Notre Dame, King's College in Pennsylvania and a few other colleges.[/quote]

Also The University of Portland
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=378694][quote="Mike Zaun" post=378685][quote="MCNPA" post=378673][quote="Mike Zaun" post=378672]Agree with Newsman. I'm sure at least 1 of Posh, Cole, Wusu will turn out to be solid players if not more, but we need studs if we want to compete in the Big East. None of the other teams are planning on bending over to give us some time in the sun. They keep reeling in 4 star studs year in and year out. The way we are recruiting right now, we are not landing consensus national studs like it or not. Posh is 3 star, Cole is a JUCO and Wusu was recruited by Bryant. That doesn't mean they can't become great of course but the odds are less likely vs. getting 4 star kids and that's who they will be playing every game in the Big East and most of the F5 OOC teams on the schedule. We need 4 stars to make CMA have a realistic chance of turning things around here in 3-4 yrs. We won't have any on the roster next year still. JC was a great hidden gem, but we can't always assume our poor recruiting will yield all hidden gems. Maybe our scouting is phenomenal and they all pan out to be beasts with great chemistry, but hard to see that happening if we're being real. We would need some Lavin type classes with some real solid transfers and several 4 yr players to make CMA work here long term. It's still early so CMA gets a pass for now, but next recruiting cycle he absolutely needs several 4 star guys.[/quote]

I think posh is easily a 4-star player. Kid scored 60 points with like a million treys and double digit assists last week. He’s still ranked based on his sitting out last year with a broken arm and hasn’t been re-ranked. No matter how well he plays he seemingly won’t be re-ranked. These ranking services suck and are not at all set in stone as they haven’t updated posh’s rankings at all this season.[/quote]

I know he was 4 star before the injury on some sites...but not sure if that was even consensus. I'm just saying we need some top 50 talent to be here and badly. If DePaul can do it and PC can do it, no reason we can't. Seems we have been able to identify the kids who have talent but cannot close out e.g. Lecque, Kofi, Curbelo, etc. We really needed at least 1 of Curbelo or Kofi to really start to get cooking with gas. Those are legit Big East players who would go toe to toe with any opponent there. For now we have to buy low and hope we found diamonds in the rough for the whole team.[/quote]

I don’t agree we need top 50’s. I think we need a team full of top 150 types, especially with the style we run. We need a team full of more capable players, especially offensively. I can see that Anderson can teach defense. With the right tools we will be fine but top 50 Is near 5-star country and while great is not necessary. Uconn won most of their championships without much top 50 talent. A guy like Kofi, it doesn’t make any sense for him to even stay another year at Illinois with his size and ability. I bet he’s gone already.[/quote]

You need occasional top 50's but yes top 100 is good too. Those UConn teams you mentioned:

Kemba: 5-star 14th nationally
Lamb: 4-star 76th nationally
Drummond: 5-star 6'10 260 lb
Thabeet: 4-star 7'2 245 lbs
Boatright: 4-star 42nd nationally
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=378697][quote="BrookJersey Redmen" post=378693]Beast of the East, very nice piece on Cooley's impoverished background and how he overcame it all. I have changed my opinion of him and maybe others on here have as well.

I must say when the announcers interview him after a game he comes off ok and with a sense of humor. I am not sure why I get the sense he doesn't like St. John's.

On the topic at hand, I'll take CMA for now, but time will tell.

Beast, b/t/w: Stonehill College is run by the Fathers of the Holy Cross (not the Jesuits). Those Fathers, of french origin, also run notably Notre Dame, King's College in Pennsylvania and a few other colleges.[/quote]

He didn't like Lavin, because he felt the re-recruitment of Jakarr Sampson (who he really wanted) was dirty.

He and Mullin had words at the Dunk, after the one game in which Mullin beat him, over four years. I think one of them (or both) were upset with the physical play of the other team.

I also don't think he was happy about playing at CA this year, when we had 6 Big East games at MSG (including DePaul). Don't think he hates Anderson, though.[/quote]

He can’t stand Mullin

Ponds recruitment was also a factor
 
Can't stand Cooley. Happy whenever PC loses.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=378707][quote="MCNPA" post=378694][quote="Mike Zaun" post=378685][quote="MCNPA" post=378673][quote="Mike Zaun" post=378672]Agree with Newsman. I'm sure at least 1 of Posh, Cole, Wusu will turn out to be solid players if not more, but we need studs if we want to compete in the Big East. None of the other teams are planning on bending over to give us some time in the sun. They keep reeling in 4 star studs year in and year out. The way we are recruiting right now, we are not landing consensus national studs like it or not. Posh is 3 star, Cole is a JUCO and Wusu was recruited by Bryant. That doesn't mean they can't become great of course but the odds are less likely vs. getting 4 star kids and that's who they will be playing every game in the Big East and most of the F5 OOC teams on the schedule. We need 4 stars to make CMA have a realistic chance of turning things around here in 3-4 yrs. We won't have any on the roster next year still. JC was a great hidden gem, but we can't always assume our poor recruiting will yield all hidden gems. Maybe our scouting is phenomenal and they all pan out to be beasts with great chemistry, but hard to see that happening if we're being real. We would need some Lavin type classes with some real solid transfers and several 4 yr players to make CMA work here long term. It's still early so CMA gets a pass for now, but next recruiting cycle he absolutely needs several 4 star guys.[/quote]

I think posh is easily a 4-star player. Kid scored 60 points with like a million treys and double digit assists last week. He’s still ranked based on his sitting out last year with a broken arm and hasn’t been re-ranked. No matter how well he plays he seemingly won’t be re-ranked. These ranking services suck and are not at all set in stone as they haven’t updated posh’s rankings at all this season.[/quote]

I know he was 4 star before the injury on some sites...but not sure if that was even consensus. I'm just saying we need some top 50 talent to be here and badly. If DePaul can do it and PC can do it, no reason we can't. Seems we have been able to identify the kids who have talent but cannot close out e.g. Lecque, Kofi, Curbelo, etc. We really needed at least 1 of Curbelo or Kofi to really start to get cooking with gas. Those are legit Big East players who would go toe to toe with any opponent there. For now we have to buy low and hope we found diamonds in the rough for the whole team.[/quote]

I don’t agree we need top 50’s. I think we need a team full of top 150 types, especially with the style we run. We need a team full of more capable players, especially offensively. I can see that Anderson can teach defense. With the right tools we will be fine but top 50 Is near 5-star country and while great is not necessary. Uconn won most of their championships without much top 50 talent. A guy like Kofi, it doesn’t make any sense for him to even stay another year at Illinois with his size and ability. I bet he’s gone already.[/quote]

You need occasional top 50's but yes top 100 is good too. Those UConn teams you mentioned:

Kemba: 5-star 14th nationally
Lamb: 4-star 76th nationally
Drummond: 5-star 6'10 260 lb
Thabeet: 4-star 7'2 245 lbs
Boatright: 4-star 42nd nationally[/quote]

I’m not denying that they had some top 50 talent. I just don’t think it was the driving factor in their winning championships. I’d love to have too 50 kids but I don’t believe it’s imperative for success. I think we need a more talented overall roster and honestly should feed off the 50-150 range as much as possible to build it. The rare top 50 is fine but shouldn’t be our focus. Get those top 150 or so kids and stock the roster with them, JC AA’s etc.
 
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