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[quote="SJUFAN2" post=379110][quote="Logen" post=379105][quote="SJUFAN2" post=378951][quote="JohnnyFan" post=378946]Lavin in a nutshell......

1.) Off the charts interpersonal skills

2.) Strong ability to recruit

3.) Below average coaching acumen

4.) For reasons that are unclear, just stopped working/recruiting[/quote]

They aren't unclear. He got cancer. Had Surgery. Got divorced. Father died.
After running that gauntlet of personal pain and suffering, everyone's perspective on life is going to change.[/quote]

BS, funny he and Mullin had reasons not to work but both had no problem cashing the paychecks. And your theory would have much more credence and both of them more credibility if either had truly walked away citing personal reasons creating an inability to do the job they were being paid very well to do. We all have tragedies and tough times in our lives.[/quote]

Yes, we all have tragedies. And we all deal with them in different ways but If any of us went through prostate cancer, surgery, several months away from work recovering, marital problems, and the loss of a father over the same year or two it's going its going to have an impact on our performance at work. Perhaps you wouldn't. But most everyone else is going to have that stuff impact their work performance.

If you want to say he was making too much money to let that happen, whatever. The guy is a human being. Chances are he's going to do what most human beings would do, regardless of the size of his paycheck.

You certainly don't have to cut him slack if you don't want to, but that doesn't change the fact that he went through a shitload of major personal trauma/tragedy in a short period of time. Nor does it change the fact that things like that affect most everyone's work performance.[/quote]

I never mentioned the size of the paycheck and funny, all that personal tragedy didn’t keep Lavin out of 5 star restaurants, etc. Also, affecting work performance is one thing, and I can certainly empathize and understand that, not making an attempt to do your job is an entirely different thing. That is what happened with both of our previous coaches and like I said prior, if you are so stricken that you can’t even try, do the right thing and step aside.
 
[quote="Logen" post=379115][quote="SJUFAN2" post=379110][quote="Logen" post=379105][quote="SJUFAN2" post=378951][quote="JohnnyFan" post=378946]Lavin in a nutshell......

1.) Off the charts interpersonal skills

2.) Strong ability to recruit

3.) Below average coaching acumen

4.) For reasons that are unclear, just stopped working/recruiting[/quote]

They aren't unclear. He got cancer. Had Surgery. Got divorced. Father died.
After running that gauntlet of personal pain and suffering, everyone's perspective on life is going to change.[/quote]

BS, funny he and Mullin had reasons not to work but both had no problem cashing the paychecks. And your theory would have much more credence and both of them more credibility if either had truly walked away citing personal reasons creating an inability to do the job they were being paid very well to do. We all have tragedies and tough times in our lives.[/quote]

Yes, we all have tragedies. And we all deal with them in different ways but If any of us went through prostate cancer, surgery, several months away from work recovering, marital problems, and the loss of a father over the same year or two it's going its going to have an impact on our performance at work. Perhaps you wouldn't. But most everyone else is going to have that stuff impact their work performance.

If you want to say he was making too much money to let that happen, whatever. The guy is a human being. Chances are he's going to do what most human beings would do, regardless of the size of his paycheck.

You certainly don't have to cut him slack if you don't want to, but that doesn't change the fact that he went through a shitload of major personal trauma/tragedy in a short period of time. Nor does it change the fact that things like that affect most everyone's work performance.[/quote]

I never mentioned the size of the paycheck and funny, all that personal tragedy didn’t keep Lavin out of 5 star restaurants, etc. Also, affecting work performance is one thing, and I can certainly empathize and understand that, not making an attempt to do your job is an entirely different thing. That is what happened with both of our previous coaches and like I said prior, if you are so stricken that you can’t even try, do the right thing and step aside.[/quote]

Fair enough. But the goal posts seem to have moved in this conversation. Now we are discussing whether or not he should have had the moral fiber to step aside when he couldn't focus on work due to personal issues.

My original post was answering someone who said: "For reasons that are unclear, just stopped working/recruiting"

My point wasn't that his reasons were good, bad or even irrelevant. Just that it wasn't unclear why he lost focus on recruiting. In fact, it was very clear why he went from being a workaholic type recruiter to a guy who seemed mostly disinterested.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=379117][quote="Logen" post=379115][quote="SJUFAN2" post=379110][quote="Logen" post=379105][quote="SJUFAN2" post=378951][quote="JohnnyFan" post=378946]Lavin in a nutshell......

1.) Off the charts interpersonal skills

2.) Strong ability to recruit

3.) Below average coaching acumen

4.) For reasons that are unclear, just stopped working/recruiting[/quote]

They aren't unclear. He got cancer. Had Surgery. Got divorced. Father died.
After running that gauntlet of personal pain and suffering, everyone's perspective on life is going to change.[/quote]

BS, funny he and Mullin had reasons not to work but both had no problem cashing the paychecks. And your theory would have much more credence and both of them more credibility if either had truly walked away citing personal reasons creating an inability to do the job they were being paid very well to do. We all have tragedies and tough times in our lives.[/quote]

Yes, we all have tragedies. And we all deal with them in different ways but If any of us went through prostate cancer, surgery, several months away from work recovering, marital problems, and the loss of a father over the same year or two it's going its going to have an impact on our performance at work. Perhaps you wouldn't. But most everyone else is going to have that stuff impact their work performance.

If you want to say he was making too much money to let that happen, whatever. The guy is a human being. Chances are he's going to do what most human beings would do, regardless of the size of his paycheck.

You certainly don't have to cut him slack if you don't want to, but that doesn't change the fact that he went through a shitload of major personal trauma/tragedy in a short period of time. Nor does it change the fact that things like that affect most everyone's work performance.[/quote]

I never mentioned the size of the paycheck and funny, all that personal tragedy didn’t keep Lavin out of 5 star restaurants, etc. Also, affecting work performance is one thing, and I can certainly empathize and understand that, not making an attempt to do your job is an entirely different thing. That is what happened with both of our previous coaches and like I said prior, if you are so stricken that you can’t even try, do the right thing and step aside.[/quote]

Fair enough. But the goal posts seem to have moved in this conversation. Now we are discussing whether or not he should have had the moral fiber to step aside when he couldn't focus on work due to personal issues.

My original post was answering someone who said: "For reasons that are unclear, just stopped working/recruiting"

My point wasn't that his reasons were good, bad or even irrelevant. Just that it wasn't unclear why he lost focus on recruiting. In fact, it was very clear why he went from being a workaholic type recruiter to a guy who seemed mostly disinterested.[/quote]

I can appreciate that he endured several personal challenges while he was here. However, let's not forget that he came from UCLA with the reputation of slacking.
 
Sorry guys but this is just classless and crude to defame former coaches for cashing paychecks or eating in an exoensive restaurants in seasons that one lost his dad and another lost his big brother.

I never heard and will likely never hear Lavin nor Mullin use the death of a close family member for any ones criticism of effort.

I never heard a restaurant bill being used as evidence of laziness.

I do remember Mullin asked his players not to attend his brother's funeral, which they all wNted to do, so they could focus on basketball.

The shit dosen't get any more ridiculous than this and I'm embarrassed by some of you.
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=379149][quote="SJUFAN2" post=379117][quote="Logen" post=379115][quote="SJUFAN2" post=379110][quote="Logen" post=379105][quote="SJUFAN2" post=378951][quote="JohnnyFan" post=378946]Lavin in a nutshell......

1.) Off the charts interpersonal skills

2.) Strong ability to recruit

3.) Below average coaching acumen

4.) For reasons that are unclear, just stopped working/recruiting[/quote]

They aren't unclear. He got cancer. Had Surgery. Got divorced. Father died.
After running that gauntlet of personal pain and suffering, everyone's perspective on life is going to change.[/quote]

BS, funny he and Mullin had reasons not to work but both had no problem cashing the paychecks. And your theory would have much more credence and both of them more credibility if either had truly walked away citing personal reasons creating an inability to do the job they were being paid very well to do. We all have tragedies and tough times in our lives.[/quote]

Yes, we all have tragedies. And we all deal with them in different ways but If any of us went through prostate cancer, surgery, several months away from work recovering, marital problems, and the loss of a father over the same year or two it's going its going to have an impact on our performance at work. Perhaps you wouldn't. But most everyone else is going to have that stuff impact their work performance.

If you want to say he was making too much money to let that happen, whatever. The guy is a human being. Chances are he's going to do what most human beings would do, regardless of the size of his paycheck.

You certainly don't have to cut him slack if you don't want to, but that doesn't change the fact that he went through a shitload of major personal trauma/tragedy in a short period of time. Nor does it change the fact that things like that affect most everyone's work performance.[/quote]

I never mentioned the size of the paycheck and funny, all that personal tragedy didn’t keep Lavin out of 5 star restaurants, etc. Also, affecting work performance is one thing, and I can certainly empathize and understand that, not making an attempt to do your job is an entirely different thing. That is what happened with both of our previous coaches and like I said prior, if you are so stricken that you can’t even try, do the right thing and step aside.[/quote]

Fair enough. But the goal posts seem to have moved in this conversation. Now we are discussing whether or not he should have had the moral fiber to step aside when he couldn't focus on work due to personal issues.

My original post was answering someone who said: "For reasons that are unclear, just stopped working/recruiting"

My point wasn't that his reasons were good, bad or even irrelevant. Just that it wasn't unclear why he lost focus on recruiting. In fact, it was very clear why he went from being a workaholic type recruiter to a guy who seemed mostly disinterested.[/quote]

I can appreciate that he endured several personal challenges while he was here. However, let's not forget that he came from UCLA with the reputation of slacking.[/quote]

Have you ever been to any UCLA forums? I went to 'em on numerous occasions when Lavin was at St. John's. I'd take most of what they say with a grain of salt.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=379151]Sorry guys but this is just classless and crude to defame former coaches for cashing paychecks or eating in an exoensive restaurants in seasons that one lost his dad and another lost his big brother.

I never heard and will likely never hear Lavin nor Mullin use the death of a close family member for any ones criticism of effort.

I never heard a restaurant bill being used as evidence of laziness.

I do remember Mullin asked his players not to attend his brother's funeral, which they all wNted to do, so they could focus on basketball.

The shit dosen't get any more ridiculous than this and I'm embarrassed by some of you.[/quote]

I have no qualms with either coach cashing their checks. Hell, anyone of us would've done the same thing! Eating at expensive restaurants? Any of us would've done the same thing.

Who the hell is gonna eat at "bottom feeder" eateries with that kinda money at your disposal? Hell! I don't make their kinda money and you'd rarely, if ever, catch me eating at a "bottom feeder."

Between Lavin being sapped by cancer, the passing of his father, marital problems, and the "powers that be" attempting to out him of his duties then you likely saw a beaten man. Even with that said, he still had received a verbal commitment from a top 60 player in Brandon Sampson.

I've long thought (and could see) folks made it personal with Lavin for whatever reason. The debate had long moved from the court to his personal life. I'd rather not go back down that road as some people will show their colors again.

Strictly from a court and winning percentage standpoint, it can't be debated that he won at two separate schools. I didn't ever think he was a great coach, but I think he was average and had the panache to get solid players. Debate if you want about his coaching chops, but his percentage can't debated.

I just never thought Mullin truly longed for the job and didn't really know what the job as a collegiate coach entailed. He also didn't do himself any favors with his assistant coaches.

Regardless, I would've cashed those checks and dined at the finest restaurants, too. I'm sure all of us would've done the same.
 
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Honestly i cannot think of many things more distasteful than disparag8ng a coach's effort when his father died, or a brother dying from a prolonged fatal illness. I seriously doubt a single one of you self righteous bastards would dare raise the point of cashing a paycheck while dealing with these family issues directly to Lavin or Mullin.

I would however say this to anyone here and to your face. Your comments are repulsive and don't represent what true fans feel. Thank God you're not an alum and even a season ticket holder for that matter.

For the record, where someone making $2 million eats is none of our business. It sounds petty and jealous.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=379152][quote="JohnnyFan" post=379149][quote="SJUFAN2" post=379117][quote="Logen" post=379115][quote="SJUFAN2" post=379110][quote="Logen" post=379105][quote="SJUFAN2" post=378951][quote="JohnnyFan" post=378946]Lavin in a nutshell......

1.) Off the charts interpersonal skills

2.) Strong ability to recruit

3.) Below average coaching acumen

4.) For reasons that are unclear, just stopped working/recruiting[/quote]

They aren't unclear. He got cancer. Had Surgery. Got divorced. Father died.
After running that gauntlet of personal pain and suffering, everyone's perspective on life is going to change.[/quote]

BS, funny he and Mullin had reasons not to work but both had no problem cashing the paychecks. And your theory would have much more credence and both of them more credibility if either had truly walked away citing personal reasons creating an inability to do the job they were being paid very well to do. We all have tragedies and tough times in our lives.[/quote]

Yes, we all have tragedies. And we all deal with them in different ways but If any of us went through prostate cancer, surgery, several months away from work recovering, marital problems, and the loss of a father over the same year or two it's going its going to have an impact on our performance at work. Perhaps you wouldn't. But most everyone else is going to have that stuff impact their work performance.

If you want to say he was making too much money to let that happen, whatever. The guy is a human being. Chances are he's going to do what most human beings would do, regardless of the size of his paycheck.

You certainly don't have to cut him slack if you don't want to, but that doesn't change the fact that he went through a shitload of major personal trauma/tragedy in a short period of time. Nor does it change the fact that things like that affect most everyone's work performance.[/quote]

I never mentioned the size of the paycheck and funny, all that personal tragedy didn’t keep Lavin out of 5 star restaurants, etc. Also, affecting work performance is one thing, and I can certainly empathize and understand that, not making an attempt to do your job is an entirely different thing. That is what happened with both of our previous coaches and like I said prior, if you are so stricken that you can’t even try, do the right thing and step aside.[/quote]

Fair enough. But the goal posts seem to have moved in this conversation. Now we are discussing whether or not he should have had the moral fiber to step aside when he couldn't focus on work due to personal issues.

My original post was answering someone who said: "For reasons that are unclear, just stopped working/recruiting"

My point wasn't that his reasons were good, bad or even irrelevant. Just that it wasn't unclear why he lost focus on recruiting. In fact, it was very clear why he went from being a workaholic type recruiter to a guy who seemed mostly disinterested.[/quote]

I can appreciate that he endured several personal challenges while he was here. However, let's not forget that he came from UCLA with the reputation of slacking.[/quote]

Have you ever been to any UCLA forums? I went to 'em on numerous occasions when Lavin was at St. John's. I'd take most of what they say with a grain of salt.[/quote]

Agree 100%, Dink. I never understood why some on this board went to the UCLA forum or the Arkansas forum to see what fans said about our incoming coach. It’s all opinions, which, unfortunately, then immediately cloud our judgment. And I believe no matter under what circumstances a coach leaves a school, voluntarily or involuntarily, the fans will not be happy.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=379117][quote="Logen" post=379115][quote="SJUFAN2" post=379110][quote="Logen" post=379105][quote="SJUFAN2" post=378951][quote="JohnnyFan" post=378946]Lavin in a nutshell......

1.) Off the charts interpersonal skills

2.) Strong ability to recruit

3.) Below average coaching acumen

4.) For reasons that are unclear, just stopped working/recruiting[/quote]

They aren't unclear. He got cancer. Had Surgery. Got divorced. Father died.
After running that gauntlet of personal pain and suffering, everyone's perspective on life is going to change.[/quote]

BS, funny he and Mullin had reasons not to work but both had no problem cashing the paychecks. And your theory would have much more credence and both of them more credibility if either had truly walked away citing personal reasons creating an inability to do the job they were being paid very well to do. We all have tragedies and tough times in our lives.[/quote]

Yes, we all have tragedies. And we all deal with them in different ways but If any of us went through prostate cancer, surgery, several months away from work recovering, marital problems, and the loss of a father over the same year or two it's going its going to have an impact on our performance at work. Perhaps you wouldn't. But most everyone else is going to have that stuff impact their work performance.

If you want to say he was making too much money to let that happen, whatever. The guy is a human being. Chances are he's going to do what most human beings would do, regardless of the size of his paycheck.

You certainly don't have to cut him slack if you don't want to, but that doesn't change the fact that he went through a shitload of major personal trauma/tragedy in a short period of time. Nor does it change the fact that things like that affect most everyone's work performance.[/quote]

I never mentioned the size of the paycheck and funny, all that personal tragedy didn’t keep Lavin out of 5 star restaurants, etc. Also, affecting work performance is one thing, and I can certainly empathize and understand that, not making an attempt to do your job is an entirely different thing. That is what happened with both of our previous coaches and like I said prior, if you are so stricken that you can’t even try, do the right thing and step aside.[/quote]

Fair enough. But the goal posts seem to have moved in this conversation. Now we are discussing whether or not he should have had the moral fiber to step aside when he couldn't focus on work due to personal issues.

My original post was answering someone who said: "For reasons that are unclear, just stopped working/recruiting"

My point wasn't that his reasons were good, bad or even irrelevant. Just that it wasn't unclear why he lost focus on recruiting. In fact, it was very clear why he went from being a workaholic type recruiter to a guy who seemed mostly disinterested.[/quote]

And that also is fair enough and understood. I put a slant on your post that wasn’t there. As one who points out when people do it to me, my bad and my apologies.
 
[quote="Logen" post=379255][quote="SJUFAN2" post=379117][quote="Logen" post=379115][quote="SJUFAN2" post=379110][quote="Logen" post=379105][quote="SJUFAN2" post=378951][quote="JohnnyFan" post=378946]Lavin in a nutshell......

1.) Off the charts interpersonal skills

2.) Strong ability to recruit

3.) Below average coaching acumen

4.) For reasons that are unclear, just stopped working/recruiting[/quote]

They aren't unclear. He got cancer. Had Surgery. Got divorced. Father died.
After running that gauntlet of personal pain and suffering, everyone's perspective on life is going to change.[/quote]

BS, funny he and Mullin had reasons not to work but both had no problem cashing the paychecks. And your theory would have much more credence and both of them more credibility if either had truly walked away citing personal reasons creating an inability to do the job they were being paid very well to do. We all have tragedies and tough times in our lives.[/quote]

Yes, we all have tragedies. And we all deal with them in different ways but If any of us went through prostate cancer, surgery, several months away from work recovering, marital problems, and the loss of a father over the same year or two it's going its going to have an impact on our performance at work. Perhaps you wouldn't. But most everyone else is going to have that stuff impact their work performance.

If you want to say he was making too much money to let that happen, whatever. The guy is a human being. Chances are he's going to do what most human beings would do, regardless of the size of his paycheck.

You certainly don't have to cut him slack if you don't want to, but that doesn't change the fact that he went through a shitload of major personal trauma/tragedy in a short period of time. Nor does it change the fact that things like that affect most everyone's work performance.[/quote]

I never mentioned the size of the paycheck and funny, all that personal tragedy didn’t keep Lavin out of 5 star restaurants, etc. Also, affecting work performance is one thing, and I can certainly empathize and understand that, not making an attempt to do your job is an entirely different thing. That is what happened with both of our previous coaches and like I said prior, if you are so stricken that you can’t even try, do the right thing and step aside.[/quote]

Fair enough. But the goal posts seem to have moved in this conversation. Now we are discussing whether or not he should have had the moral fiber to step aside when he couldn't focus on work due to personal issues.

My original post was answering someone who said: "For reasons that are unclear, just stopped working/recruiting"

My point wasn't that his reasons were good, bad or even irrelevant. Just that it wasn't unclear why he lost focus on recruiting. In fact, it was very clear why he went from being a workaholic type recruiter to a guy who seemed mostly disinterested.[/quote]

And that also is fair enough and understood. I put a slant on your post that wasn’t there. As one who points out when people do it to me, my bad and my apologies.[/quote]

All good. And thanks.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=379155][quote="Beast of the East" post=379151]Sorry guys but this is just classless and crude to defame former coaches for cashing paychecks or eating in an exoensive restaurants in seasons that one lost his dad and another lost his big brother.

I never heard and will likely never hear Lavin nor Mullin use the death of a close family member for any ones criticism of effort.

I never heard a restaurant bill being used as evidence of laziness.

I do remember Mullin asked his players not to attend his brother's funeral, which they all wNted to do, so they could focus on basketball.

The shit dosen't get any more ridiculous than this and I'm embarrassed by some of you.[/quote]

I have no qualms with either coach cashing their checks. Hell, anyone of us would've done the same thing! Eating at expensive restaurants? Any of us would've done the same thing.

Who the hell is gonna eat at "bottom feeder" eateries with that kinda money at your disposal? Hell! I don't make their kinda money and you'd rarely, if ever, catch me eating at a "bottom feeder."

Between Lavin being sapped by cancer, the passing of his father, marital problems, and the "powers that be" attempting to out him of his duties then you likely saw a beaten man. Even with that said, he still had received a verbal commitment from a top 60 player in Brandon Sampson.

I've long thought (and could see) folks made it personal with Lavin for whatever reason. The debate had long moved from the court to his personal life. I'd rather not go back down that road as some people will show their colors again.

Strictly from a court and winning percentage standpoint, it can't be debated that he won at two separate schools. I didn't ever think he was a great coach, but I think he was average and had the panache to get solid players. Debate if you want about his coaching chops, but his percentage can't debated.

I just never thought Mullin truly longed for the job and didn't really know what the job as a collegiate coach entailed. He also didn't do himself any favors with his assistant coaches.

Regardless, I would've cashed those checks and dined at the finest restaurants, too. I'm sure all of us would've done the same.[/quote]

I would never cash a paycheck I didn’t work for and earn, certainly you are entitled to make your own choices. But I do find it rather obnoxious of you to think you can speak for “all of us.” To each their own.
 
[quote="Logen" post=379259][quote="MJDinkins" post=379155][quote="Beast of the East" post=379151]Sorry guys but this is just classless and crude to defame former coaches for cashing paychecks or eating in an exoensive restaurants in seasons that one lost his dad and another lost his big brother.

I never heard and will likely never hear Lavin nor Mullin use the death of a close family member for any ones criticism of effort.

I never heard a restaurant bill being used as evidence of laziness.

I do remember Mullin asked his players not to attend his brother's funeral, which they all wNted to do, so they could focus on basketball.

The shit dosen't get any more ridiculous than this and I'm embarrassed by some of you.[/quote]

I have no qualms with either coach cashing their checks. Hell, anyone of us would've done the same thing! Eating at expensive restaurants? Any of us would've done the same thing.

Who the hell is gonna eat at "bottom feeder" eateries with that kinda money at your disposal? Hell! I don't make their kinda money and you'd rarely, if ever, catch me eating at a "bottom feeder."

Between Lavin being sapped by cancer, the passing of his father, marital problems, and the "powers that be" attempting to out him of his duties then you likely saw a beaten man. Even with that said, he still had received a verbal commitment from a top 60 player in Brandon Sampson.

I've long thought (and could see) folks made it personal with Lavin for whatever reason. The debate had long moved from the court to his personal life. I'd rather not go back down that road as some people will show their colors again.

Strictly from a court and winning percentage standpoint, it can't be debated that he won at two separate schools. I didn't ever think he was a great coach, but I think he was average and had the panache to get solid players. Debate if you want about his coaching chops, but his percentage can't debated.

I just never thought Mullin truly longed for the job and didn't really know what the job as a collegiate coach entailed. He also didn't do himself any favors with his assistant coaches.

Regardless, I would've cashed those checks and dined at the finest restaurants, too. I'm sure all of us would've done the same.[/quote]

I would never cash a paycheck I didn’t work for and earn, certainly you are entitled to make your own choices. But I do find it rather obnoxious of you to think you can speak for “all of us.” To each their own.[/quote]

You're full of shit! Obnoxious? Haha! Pot meet kettle.

You must love looking for fights aka Keyboard Bad Ass. Too bad you won't ever look for 'em in person. Tarzan on the keyboard and Jane in person.
 
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[quote="Tonyinfairfield " post=379245][quote="MJDinkins" post=379152][quote="JohnnyFan" post=379149][quote="SJUFAN2" post=379117][quote="Logen" post=379115][quote="SJUFAN2" post=379110][quote="Logen" post=379105][quote="SJUFAN2" post=378951][quote="JohnnyFan" post=378946]Lavin in a nutshell......

1.) Off the charts interpersonal skills

2.) Strong ability to recruit

3.) Below average coaching acumen

4.) For reasons that are unclear, just stopped working/recruiting[/quote]

They aren't unclear. He got cancer. Had Surgery. Got divorced. Father died.
After running that gauntlet of personal pain and suffering, everyone's perspective on life is going to change.[/quote]

BS, funny he and Mullin had reasons not to work but both had no problem cashing the paychecks. And your theory would have much more credence and both of them more credibility if either had truly walked away citing personal reasons creating an inability to do the job they were being paid very well to do. We all have tragedies and tough times in our lives.[/quote]

Yes, we all have tragedies. And we all deal with them in different ways but If any of us went through prostate cancer, surgery, several months away from work recovering, marital problems, and the loss of a father over the same year or two it's going its going to have an impact on our performance at work. Perhaps you wouldn't. But most everyone else is going to have that stuff impact their work performance.

If you want to say he was making too much money to let that happen, whatever. The guy is a human being. Chances are he's going to do what most human beings would do, regardless of the size of his paycheck.

You certainly don't have to cut him slack if you don't want to, but that doesn't change the fact that he went through a shitload of major personal trauma/tragedy in a short period of time. Nor does it change the fact that things like that affect most everyone's work performance.[/quote]

I never mentioned the size of the paycheck and funny, all that personal tragedy didn’t keep Lavin out of 5 star restaurants, etc. Also, affecting work performance is one thing, and I can certainly empathize and understand that, not making an attempt to do your job is an entirely different thing. That is what happened with both of our previous coaches and like I said prior, if you are so stricken that you can’t even try, do the right thing and step aside.[/quote]

Fair enough. But the goal posts seem to have moved in this conversation. Now we are discussing whether or not he should have had the moral fiber to step aside when he couldn't focus on work due to personal issues.

My original post was answering someone who said: "For reasons that are unclear, just stopped working/recruiting"

My point wasn't that his reasons were good, bad or even irrelevant. Just that it wasn't unclear why he lost focus on recruiting. In fact, it was very clear why he went from being a workaholic type recruiter to a guy who seemed mostly disinterested.[/quote]

I can appreciate that he endured several personal challenges while he was here. However, let's not forget that he came from UCLA with the reputation of slacking.[/quote]

Have you ever been to any UCLA forums? I went to 'em on numerous occasions when Lavin was at St. John's. I'd take most of what they say with a grain of salt.[/quote]

Agree 100%, Dink. I never understood why some on this board went to the UCLA forum or the Arkansas forum to see what fans said about our incoming coach. It’s all opinions, which, unfortunately, then immediately cloud our judgment. And I believe no matter under what circumstances a coach leaves a school, voluntarily or involuntarily, the fans will not be happy.[/quote]

I can honestly say I've never been to any Arkansas boards. But I do know the UCLA fans are entitled and spoiled. Many of 'em just like to hear themselves talk.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=379322]You must love looking for fights. Too bad you won't ever look for 'em in person.[/quote]

This isn't fight club, MJD. It's NEVER appropriate to troll other posters in that fashion. You know better, plase don't do it again.
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=379329][quote="MJDinkins" post=379322]You must love looking for fights. Too bad you won't ever look for 'em in person.[/quote]

This isn't fight club, MJD. It's NEVER appropriate to troll other posters in that fashion. You know better, plase don't do it again.[/quote]

Damn that! I know you're aware how he looks for fights on here. Besides where did I make it a "fight club?"

I merely pointed out something. I never made any sort of direct remark.
 
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[quote="MJDinkins" post=379333][quote="SJUFAN2" post=379329][quote="MJDinkins" post=379322]You must love looking for fights. Too bad you won't ever look for 'em in person.[/quote]

This isn't fight club, MJD. It's NEVER appropriate to troll other posters in that fashion. You know better, please don't do it again.[/quote]

Damn that! I know you're aware how he looks for fights on here. Besides where did I make it a "fight club?"

I merely pointed out something. I never made any sort of direct remark.[/quote]

Sure you did..."Too bad you never look for them in person"..."Tarzan on a keyboard, Jane in person" That's not a challenge? Seriously? Argue all you want about a topic, but let's not get into the 'show me what you got in person' phase.

PM me if you want to debate this further but even if you didn't intend it, your words were poorly chosen at the very least.
 
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