@Connecticut, Sat., Dec. 23, 8p, FOX

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Soriano is the Pitino designated Captain of the team . Him getting just 5 shots isn’t all on the rest of the team . Joel needs to present himself more aggressively and demand the ball .

He also should realize he should be scoring 18-20 points a game . Plus , why is he out so far in the Zone defense ? It was a disgrace what Johnson did to us on Saturday . He’s a freshman and while talented , he wasn’t challenged much by our defense .
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
Soriano is the Pitino designated Captain of the team . Him getting just 5 shots isn’t all on the rest of the team . Joel needs to present himself more aggressively and demand the ball .

He also should realize he should be scoring 18-20 points a game . Plus , why is he out so far in the Zone defense ? It was a disgrace what Johnson did to us on Saturday . He’s a freshman and while talented , he wasn’t challenged much by our defense .
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Agreed, he can't just keep putting up good numbers against lesser talented teams. If he wants to play at the next level, he has to do the same against good teams. Getting him the ball in the right position helps.............we're not doing that.
 
Demo said:
Getting him the ball in the right position helps.............we're not doing that.
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we did it with the game on the line and he made poor play giving it to someone under the hoop with limited options

I love Joel and he does need to get more shots. But he did get touches in the Uconn game that he did nothing with.
 
SJUDave said:
1. Regarding Glenn hitting open 3's....then run plays and get him more open 3's duh?? He's clearly showing he's proficient enough to hit them, and he's hitting them in big spots...get him the damn ball and let it fly
2. Joel Soriano getting 5 shots is criminal. IDC that he got to the line a few times, Joel Soriano SHOULD NEVER AGAIN this season be under 10 shots a game
3. UConn fans thinking them not playing well or scoring well or shooting well is because they were just off and it wasn't our defense are being homers. That Zone has done that twice in back to back games, it wasn't an accident. A team that averaged over 82 ppg I believe was held to 69.
4. It's not about DIngle having much better numbers, he's a proficient offensive player, and there's not many other options right now since this board and a lot of fans don't want Jenkins to be taking it. So who should it be? It's not gonna be Soriano or Drissa. It's not Ledlum. You eliminate Jenkins that leaves Taylor, Dingle, Alleyne, Luis when healthy and out there.
5. Alleyne had an off night, was clearly pressing and wanted to have a big night in that moment like anyone would. Unfortunate but I love his game and what he brings to this team, he will be fine and bounce back I have no doubt.
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Luis also had those two steals at mid court that led to fast breaks. I know it only produced 1pt because of blown layups and missed free throws but that’s not going to happen most of the time once Luis gets his legs back. If he can influence a game like that in addition to providing some extra offensive ability this will be a much deeper team.
 
Mean Gene said:
Luis also had those two steals at mid court that led to fast breaks. I know it only produced 1pt because of blown layups and missed free throws but that’s not going to happen most of the time once Luis gets his legs back. If he can influence a game like that in addition to providing some extra offensive ability this will be a much deeper team.
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yup back to back plays with steals, drives and fouls. His length and size on defense is a big addition along with his offense. He really is a game changer. Hopefully he's as close to 100% for Hofstra with no set backs.
 
paultzman said:
Excellent post LMF
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To me the question is what happens next year when Jenkins, Ledlum, Dingle, Alleyne, and Soriano are all gone - that's 4/5 of the starting rotation plus the sixth man. Given that most of them were placeholders, that's still a lot of spots to fill. We should be in good shape with Taylor at the 2 and Luis at the 3. Ejafor should be serviceable at the 4 or possibly even the 5.

BUT:

PG: What has Pitino done to get Wilcher the game minutes he needs if he is going to be stepping in as the PG (with heavy minutes) next season? Anderson was willing to take his lumps with Posh in a way that Pitino is clearly not willing to do with Wilcher. He didn't even get decent minutes against Xavier in what wasn't a close game. Rick gets the benefit of the doubt, but I'd like to see the young man get more PT than he's getting.

C: Who is replacing Soriano? Even with steps up at the 2 and 3 (which I would foreacst) that's likely to be offset by production losses at the 1 and the 5. If Ejofor is going to play the 5 then a scoring PF is a necessity; if Ejofor is the 4 then that need is at the 5.

Bench: Three freshmen, Dunlap, Traore?

Historically Pitino teams have made a big jump in Year 2. It's way, way early - but without landing a couple of very high-impact transfers who will adapt quickly to his sytem, I don't see that happening here. Seems more likely status quo result, plus or minus a couple of games. Year 3 I could see it, though.

Of course The Portal will have something to say about all of that...
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
Soriano is the Pitino designated Captain of the team . Him getting just 5 shots isn’t all on the rest of the team . Joel needs to present himself more aggressively and demand the ball .

He also should realize he should be scoring 18-20 points a game . Plus , why is he out so far in the Zone defense ? It was a disgrace what Johnson did to us on Saturday . He’s a freshman and while talented , he wasn’t challenged much by our defense .
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Johnson is a junior. It's his third year with UCONN although admittedly played very sparingly his first two years. I'm not going to be too critical of Joel. We'd be nowhere without him. Even after Saturday's game he is averaging just under 18 ppg along with 11+ rebounds.
 
we won’t be hurting next season.
soriano big positive hard to replace, but Zuby backed by maker is not a negative.

the 2, 3 & 4 im comfortable with Taylor, Luis & frosh glover, backed By Cruz Dunlap & traore.
PG right now biggest ? Even if Wilcher able to step up, still need a 2nd solid PG.
lefty the Greek sounds like a combo guard backing up 1&2. Ayo 3rd option at the 3.

in April after season over, must get stud PG & a 4/5. After that, wait & cherry pick.
if no one leaves we have 11 already, only 2 schollys left.
 
SLYFOXX1968 said:
Soriano is the Pitino designated Captain of the team . Him getting just 5 shots isn’t all on the rest of the team . Joel needs to present himself more aggressively and demand the ball .

He also should realize he should be scoring 18-20 points a game . Plus , why is he out so far in the Zone defense ? It was a disgrace what Johnson did to us on Saturday . He’s a freshman and while talented , he wasn’t challenged much by our defense .
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Sly…Johnson is a Junior and while he contributed 16 points, it was almost entirely from 2“ and in…he hit one shot from 8’ which looked more like a shot put and, staying within the track and field realm completed a mini-marathon enroute to a dunk.

In any event, your point is spot on in that Soriano needs to do a better job of “staying at home” or hedging.
 
Demo said:
Agreed, he can't just keep putting up good numbers against lesser talented teams. If he wants to play at the next level, he has to do the same against good teams. Getting him the ball in the right position helps.............we're not doing that.
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He has played well against everyone
 
Jack Williams said:
we did it with the game on the line and he made poor play giving it to someone under the hoop with limited options

I love Joel and he does need to get more shots. But he did get touches in the Uconn game that he did nothing with.
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That last play should have started from the other side of the key which is his strength
 
Section3 said:
In any event, your point is spot on in that Soriano needs to do a better job of “staying at home” or hedging.
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The degree to which we overplayed the hedge and got burned down low because of it was a major contributor to the loss. I would assume the thinking was to impact UConn's outside shooting but there were too many occasions when the ball was doubled up high and UConn found the wide open man - probably accounted for 14 or Samson's 16 points.
 
lawmanfan said:
To me the question is what happens next year when Jenkins, Ledlum, Dingle, Alleyne, and Soriano are all gone - that's 4/5 of the starting rotation plus the sixth man. Given that most of them were placeholders, that's still a lot of spots to fill. We should be in good shape with Taylor at the 2 and Luis at the 3. Ejafor should be serviceable at the 4 or possibly even the 5.

BUT:

PG: What has Pitino done to get Wilcher the game minutes he needs if he is going to be stepping in as the PG (with heavy minutes) next season? Anderson was willing to take his lumps with Posh in a way that Pitino is clearly not willing to do with Wilcher. He didn't even get decent minutes against Xavier in what wasn't a close game. Rick gets the benefit of the doubt, but I'd like to see the young man get more PT than he's getting.

C: Who is replacing Soriano? Even with steps up at the 2 and 3 (which I would foreacst) that's likely to be offset by production losses at the 1 and the 5. If Ejofor is going to play the 5 then a scoring PF is a necessity; if Ejofor is the 4 then that need is at the 5.

Bench: Three freshmen, Dunlap, Traore?

Historically Pitino teams have made a big jump in Year 2. It's way, way early - but without landing a couple of very high-impact transfers who will adapt quickly to his sytem, I don't see that happening here. Seems more likely status quo result, plus or minus a couple of games. Year 3 I could see it, though.

Of course The Portal will have something to say about all of that...
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No doubt Rick & staff will have to kill it in the portal this off season w the holes you note. I have felt year two may be a bigger challenge than one & his third year hopefully is breakthrough stanza. Then again in transfer mania era, it is so hard to predict who sticks around.

Re Wilcher, I am in the minority wondering if he is really the natural pg he is reputed to be and really more of combo guard. I know the sample size is small, but when I look at Elliot Cadeau at UNC I see a true freshman pg and don’t have the same impression of Wilcher. Hopefully I’m wrong.
 
SJUDave said:
1. Glenn Taylor Jr. is shooting 45% from 3. He needs to be shooting more in general.
2. Jordan Dingle has to be looking for his shot more.
3. Luis should be closer to 100% for Hofstra, when he actually gets to that point and lets loose - he's going to flip this roster on it's head
4. That match up zone defense is going to give coaches in the Big East fits the rest of the season getting ready for it. Both Sean Miller and Dan Hurley weren't ready for it. Good luck to the rest of the bunch.
5. Missed opportunity no doubt, but this is about as good as you can feel on the outlook of the team after a loss as I can remember. Truly.
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You over rate the matchup zone at this point in time. Sure it limited the outside shooting but unless it is improved upon, most teams/coaches will look forward to getting easy layups and dunks if the weak side defenders don’t rotate down to help. It actually cost the Johnnies the game against UConn….. Samson Johnson 16 points!
 
lawmanfan said:
The degree to which we overplayed the hedge and got burned down low because of it was a major contributor to the loss. I would assume the thinking was to impact UConn's outside shooting but there were too many occasions when the ball was doubled up high and UConn found the wide open man - probably accounted for 14 or Samson's 16 points.
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Pitino referenced it recently…not sure if it was prep or post game presser. But, he said that Joel needs to get a lot quicker on the switches.
 
NCJohnnie said:
Johnson is a junior. It's his third year with UCONN although admittedly played very sparingly his first two years. I'm not going to be too critical of Joel. We'd be nowhere without him. Even after Saturday's game he is averaging just under 18 ppg along with 11+ rebounds.
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NC Johnnie , did you stray , even a little bit from the southern end of your basement on Saturday ?

I thought they may have happened in the 2 nd half when our Victory was snatched from our grasp .

You are absolutely right about Samson Johnson being a jr . I misspoke because he , dispute being highly recruited , had not been any sort of factor these last 2 years . So , his emergence this year , coupled with Clingan’s injury , kept him from a lot of notice .

If I can off as criticizing Joel , I’m learning from RP . Seriously , we would be no where without Soriano .

But , he’s got to be more aggressive in wanting that ball in the post . Him getting 5 shots is not going to serve us well through the Season . He’s got to almost demand the ball from his teammates . .

And , can’t be pulled away from the deep post on Defense like what happened in Hartford . Johnson wasn’t challenged on much of his shots .
Soriano has to have a really big season for us to make the dance and present himself as a possible NBA draft pick .
 
Stevep502 said:
we won’t be hurting next season.
soriano big positive hard to replace, but Zuby backed by maker is not a negative.

the 2, 3 & 4 im comfortable with Taylor, Luis & frosh glover, backed By Cruz Dunlap & traore.
PG right now biggest ? Even if Wilcher able to step up, still need a 2nd solid PG.
lefty the Greek sounds like a combo guard backing up 1&2. Ayo 3rd option at the 3.

in April after season over, must get stud PG & a 4/5. After that, wait & cherry pick.
if no one leaves we have 11 already, only 2 schollys left.
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Relatively sure staff has already identified big guy or guys up front. But with portal money 💰 things can change quickly. Stud pg I have no clue who would even be available haven’t even heard a rumor of one yet if you are taking about grad transfers
 
Joedib said:
Jenkins is a career 36% three pt shooter. He has been off so far this year. I am sure Pitino is telling him to keep shooting.
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Lifetime 30% 3 point shooter
Shot 36% last year at Iona which appears to be an aberration.
And great coach notwithstanding if Pitino saying that it goes up there with thinking his Kentucky team could win the NBA championship and drafting all of them on Celtics.
Great coaches make mistakes and Jenkins is one of his.
 
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