Coaching Alternatives

[quote="Moose" post=334148][quote="ghostzapper" post=334146]As I said previously I personally don't think Coach Mullin is going anywhere anytime soon. It is clear that there were expectations by many of us (myself included) that were not completely met this season. While a good argument can be made for changes, the architect for those changes will likely be initiated and designed by our new AD Mike Cragg. I am posting a link to the interview he did on the Red Storm Report earlier this season (see below). I could be completely wrong, but my impression is that he will not make a knee-jerk reaction to the play over the last month and will stay the course and work with Coach Mullin going forward.
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What is anytime soon?
He won't see a 6th year. Not with the team coming back. All we're doing is prolonging the inevitable. It just comes down to money and perception in doing it now or waiting until next year's team wins 10-12 games[/quote]

Yep.......this is pretty much the bottom line.
 
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[quote="Moose" post=334148][quote="ghostzapper" post=334146]As I said previously I personally don't think Coach Mullin is going anywhere anytime soon. It is clear that there were expectations by many of us (myself included) that were not completely met this season. While a good argument can be made for changes, the architect for those changes will likely be initiated and designed by our new AD Mike Cragg. I am posting a link to the interview he did on the Red Storm Report earlier this season (see below). I could be completely wrong, but my impression is that he will not make a knee-jerk reaction to the play over the last month and will stay the course and work with Coach Mullin going forward.
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What is anytime soon?
He won't see a 6th year. Not with the team coming back. All we're doing is prolonging the inevitable. It just comes down to money and perception in doing it now or waiting until next year's team wins 10-12 games[/quote]

I could not agree more. The approach put forth by this staff will just not translate to the college game. So we have a replay in many ways, with a much less experienced team, of putting the ball in the hands of a guy who has already essentially publicly declared he is playing for a pro contract? In the same unstructured “DON’T wait to fire until you see the whites of their eyes” unstructured “offense”. A guy, by the way, who has yet to play a minute of D1 ball? I love Mullin, but the experiment has failed.
 
The university brings in about $27 million a year in private donations, so about 15% of that ($4 million) would be handed over to Mullin if he was bought out. Just don't see that happening. But that's only*if* he has a guarantee, which appears unknown.

On the other hand, I do see Mullin wanting to leave on a relatively high note. And if the roster defections are as bad as rumored, Mullin is not going to want to repeat the s$hit show of the first season in his 5th season. I think there is a high probability that he walks and cuts a deal.
 
If Mullin comes back and wins 12 games, he'd piss off nearly the entire fan base. The fans are being gentle for now given his legacy. but next year that won't be the case. I'd honestly be shocked if he returns and there is a happy ending to all this.
 
[quote="Logen" post=334162][quote="Moose" post=334148][quote="ghostzapper" post=334146]As I said previously I personally don't think Coach Mullin is going anywhere anytime soon. It is clear that there were expectations by many of us (myself included) that were not completely met this season. While a good argument can be made for changes, the architect for those changes will likely be initiated and designed by our new AD Mike Cragg. I am posting a link to the interview he did on the Red Storm Report earlier this season (see below). I could be completely wrong, but my impression is that he will not make a knee-jerk reaction to the play over the last month and will stay the course and work with Coach Mullin going forward.
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What is anytime soon?
He won't see a 6th year. Not with the team coming back. All we're doing is prolonging the inevitable. It just comes down to money and perception in doing it now or waiting until next year's team wins 10-12 games[/quote]

I could not agree more. The approach put forth by this staff will just not translate to the college game. So we have a replay in many ways, with a much less experienced team, of putting the ball in the hands of a guy who has already essentially publicly declared he is playing for a pro contract? In the same unstructured “DON’T wait to fire until you see the whites of their eyes” unstructured “offense”. A guy, by the way, who has yet to play a minute of D1 ball? I love Mullin, but the experiment has failed.[/quote]

Correct. We don’t have many horses next year, and any we have are gonna be brand new. Where’s the scoring gonna come from?? Our bigs are gonna be green. I can’t see us being very good next year even thought we might have a nice player or two talent-wise. Mullin should go out with a winning season on a high note. This team isn’t built to “re-load” from a team that was a real stretch to make the tourney, not even a binaries ncaa team. We are gonna take a step back without some of these guys. We also lose a ton of experience overall.

Like I said, Mullin should cut a deal and leave after an Ncaa tourney team. I think there will be lots of SJU fans pissed off the next year or two, and I’d hate to see Mullin take the brunt of that.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=334241][quote="Logen" post=334162][quote="Moose" post=334148][quote="ghostzapper" post=334146]As I said previously I personally don't think Coach Mullin is going anywhere anytime soon. It is clear that there were expectations by many of us (myself included) that were not completely met this season. While a good argument can be made for changes, the architect for those changes will likely be initiated and designed by our new AD Mike Cragg. I am posting a link to the interview he did on the Red Storm Report earlier this season (see below). I could be completely wrong, but my impression is that he will not make a knee-jerk reaction to the play over the last month and will stay the course and work with Coach Mullin going forward.
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What is anytime soon?
He won't see a 6th year. Not with the team coming back. All we're doing is prolonging the inevitable. It just comes down to money and perception in doing it now or waiting until next year's team wins 10-12 games[/quote]

I could not agree more. The approach put forth by this staff will just not translate to the college game. So we have a replay in many ways, with a much less experienced team, of putting the ball in the hands of a guy who has already essentially publicly declared he is playing for a pro contract? In the same unstructured “DON’T wait to fire until you see the whites of their eyes” unstructured “offense”. A guy, by the way, who has yet to play a minute of D1 ball? I love Mullin, but the experiment has failed.[/quote]

Correct. We don’t have many horses next year, and any we have are gonna be brand new. Where’s the scoring gonna come from?? Our bigs are gonna be green. I can’t see us being very good next year even thought we might have a nice player or two talent-wise. Mullin should go out with a winning season on a high note. This team isn’t built to “re-load” from a team that was a real stretch to make the tourney, not even a binaries ncaa team. We are gonna take a step back without some of these guys. We also lose a ton of experience overall.

Like I said, Mullin should cut a deal and leave after an Ncaa tourney team. I think there will be lots of SJU fans pissed off the next year or two, and I’d hate to see Mullin take the brunt of that.[/quote]

He has to, or Cragg has to make it happen.
You rebult with him in year one (wasn't his fault), but next year (year 5), you're gonna rebuild with him again, and without our only recruiter???

I just can't see how that's acceptable by cragg or any big from the school.

If it is then maybe I'm rooting for the wrong school.
I'm not an alumni, just a fan since the Mullin days.
 
Lets give Cragg a chance work some miracles before be completely trash Mullin and the program.
 
Let me preface this by saying it's just a theory of mine. I feel Mullin was talked to come in to take over the program. I think his plan was to be here for the duration of his contact and turn a successful program over to a young coach that he had in mind. St. Jean. He brought in 2 great recruiters in Matt and Slice. One that was great on the transfer/juco market, and one that was great with high school, especially the metro area. He brought along Mitch to help coach these guys up. 2 NBA legends could certainly help kids with their game, right? So you have Mullin basically as the figure head and GM of the team. You have coach St.Jean drawing up plays and running the practices. If all went well with the blueprint, the program would start seeing success by year 3 and by his 6th year he could pass the baton over to the guy that was basically running the team since day 1 and leave the program with it firing on all cylinders.
Obviously none of this has happened. Slice left after the first year cuz he and Matt couldn't coexist, plus I feel Slice thought he'd have a bigger role in Mullins plans aside from being basically just a recruiter. Secondly, as great of a basketball mind as St. Jean has, I feel he needed an apprenticeship under an established coach to really learn what it takes to be successful. Matt can recruit better than almost anyone on the transfer market, however we see how flawed that can be when that's the only type of recruiting you're good at. Transfers seem a little more flakey. You'll get a couple of good ones that stay but seemingly you lose more than you keep.
These are my thoughts..I may be way off base with it.
 
The one thing I can say is Mullin sought out the job on his own. While Lavin was still coach as well
 
[quote="rawdognyc" post=334254]Let me preface this by saying it's just a theory of mine. I feel Mullin was talked to come in to take over the program. I think his plan was to be here for the duration of his contact and turn a successful program over to a young coach that he had in mind. St. Jean. He brought in 2 great recruiters in Matt and Slice. One that was great on the transfer/juco market, and one that was great with high school, especially the metro area. He brought along Mitch to help coach these guys up. 2 NBA legends could certainly help kids with their game, right? So you have Mullin basically as the figure head and GM of the team. You have coach St.Jean drawing up plays and running the practices. If all went well with the blueprint, the program would start seeing success by year 3 and by his 6th year he could pass the baton over to the guy that was basically running the team since day 1 and leave the program with it firing on all cylinders.
Obviously none of this has happened. Slice left after the first year cuz he and Matt couldn't coexist, plus I feel Slice thought he'd have a bigger role in Mullins plans aside from being basically just a recruiter. Secondly, as great of a basketball mind as St. Jean has, I feel he needed an apprenticeship under an established coach to really learn what it takes to be successful. Matt can recruit better than almost anyone on the transfer market, however we see how flawed that can be when that's the only type of recruiting you're good at. Transfers seem a little more flakey. You'll get a couple of good ones that stay but seemingly you lose more than you keep.
These are my thoughts..I may be way off base with it.[/quote]

I think that's a pretty reasonable assessment of things.

Everyone wanted this to work according to plan. It hasn't. Now the question is whether Cragg/Chris can come up with a Plan B that maintains the progress that's been made. (And that's not intended to be trolling. Even with the disappointing last three weeks, we posted 21 wins. Not quite what we wanted, but progress...)
 
[quote="Knight" post=334251]Lets give Cragg a chance work some miracles before be completely trash Mullin and the program.[/quote]

Oh, I'm very patient, I'll wait until May, shouldn't that be enough time?
If nothing by then, than most likely nothing will happen.
 
So from what I’ve gathered from the responses in this thread some of the possible candidates people mentioned to replace Mullin should he resign/be let go (in no particular order):

1. Tim Cluess
2. Jared Grasso
3. Shaka Smart
4. Nate Oates
5. Rick Pitino
6. Richard Pitino

Some of these seem like good choices and some seem pretty unlikely. Anyone else?
 
[quote="SJU11phd" post=334265]So from what I’ve gathered from the responses in this thread some of the possible candidates people mentioned to replace Mullin should he resign/be let go (in no particular order):

1. Tim Cluess
2. Jared Grasso
3. Shaka Smart
4. Nate Oates
5. Rick Pitino
6. Richard Pitino

Some of these seem like good choices and some seem pretty unlikely. Anyone else?[/quote]

Last minute call to Hoiberg, if he comes, then Matt A stays?
 
[quote="SJU11phd" post=334265]So from what I’ve gathered from the responses in this thread some of the possible candidates people mentioned to replace Mullin should he resign/be let go (in no particular order):

1. Tim Cluess
2. Jared Grasso
3. Shaka Smart
4. Nate Oates
5. Rick Pitino
6. Richard Pitino

Some of these seem like good choices and some seem pretty unlikely. Anyone else?[/quote]

Metta Wotld Peace?
 
[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=334267][quote="SJU11phd" post=334265]So from what I’ve gathered from the responses in this thread some of the possible candidates people mentioned to replace Mullin should he resign/be let go (in no particular order):

1. Tim Cluess
2. Jared Grasso
3. Shaka Smart
4. Nate Oates
5. Rick Pitino
6. Richard Pitino

Some of these seem like good choices and some seem pretty unlikely. Anyone else?[/quote]

Last minute call to Hoiberg, if he comes, then Matt A stays?[/quote]

No thanks.
Addition by subtraction
 
[quote="SJU11phd" post=334265]So from what I’ve gathered from the responses in this thread some of the possible candidates people mentioned to replace Mullin should he resign/be let go (in no particular order):

1. Tim Cluess
2. Jared Grasso
3. Shaka Smart
4. Nate Oates
5. Rick Pitino
6. Richard Pitino

Some of these seem like good choices and some seem pretty unlikely. Anyone else?[/quote]
Doubt Cragg would even consider any of these guys outside of Oats
 
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