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JohnnyFever
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I figured this is what SJ would do. We are great at pretending to fix problems. Since Slice we have been running on 1 cylinder. When we had Matt we were still not putting in nearly enough effort recruiting. Now Matt leaves and we just replace him and that's it? BS...we need 2 legitimate hires to recruit along with Mullin being forced to recruit. Chris Mullin is not a god...he's mortal and he isn't above the rules or expectations. We need to stop treating him like a god emperor. As long as he's at the helm, we will be bottom of the Big East. We continue to do less than the minimum required expecting good results. Any real program has 2 legit AC's who coach and recruit...and the HC is also busy recruiting in the offseason. Dump everyone except Cragg.
If true this is terrible news. It means Cragg has no power and Mullin has free rein.
Chris needs help; major help to teach him how to capably manage and structure a college staff and team.
I’m stunned he is in apparent denial and doesn’t acknowledge that.
Hoping somehow this does not prevail.
Otherwise, God help the program.
Chris needs help; major help to teach him how to capably manage and structure a college staff and team.
I’m stunned he is in apparent denial and doesn’t acknowledge that.
Hoping somehow this does not prevail.
Otherwise, God help the program.
Windy City Johnny Fan
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It's definitely possible that this is a very tricky situation for Cragg. We may not have the money to buy Chris out until next year, or even the year after. So the question is, does it make sense to try and hire your A+ assistants now, knowing that it will get complicated again when you ditch the HC in 1-2 years, or do you band-aid it until you can make a clean break with the HC and then hire HC and let him bring his own assistants? I do not know the answer and I'm not sure there is an easy one.
redfan259999888
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[quote="MJDinkins" post=336781]I was laughing when I read the quote, "chip in." Haha! This is a joke! If all we're going to make is one change to the staff AND Mack bails, then I'll more than likely skip the '19-'20 season.[/quote]
If only one assiocoaching change comes for next year, and that coming because mat left, then that proves how much of a joke sju is. Atleast move mitch. Why do we have clowns running sju?
If we only add one ac beause natt left then you won't hear a peep from me next year because I won't care.
Sick of the same old bs every freaking year.
If only one assiocoaching change comes for next year, and that coming because mat left, then that proves how much of a joke sju is. Atleast move mitch. Why do we have clowns running sju?
If we only add one ac beause natt left then you won't hear a peep from me next year because I won't care.
Sick of the same old bs every freaking year.
Class of 72
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[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=336788]It's definitely possible that this is a very tricky situation for Cragg. We may not have the money to buy Chris out until next year, or even the year after. So the question is, does it make sense to try and hire your A+ assistants now, knowing that it will get complicated again when you ditch the HC in 1-2 years, or do you band-aid it until you can make a clean break with the HC and then hire HC and let him bring his own assistants? I do not know the answer and I'm not sure there is an easy one.[/quote]
President Bobby and Oliva offered Lavin a salary reduction in his contract extension and they supposedly parted ways mutually. If we are truly stuck with this contract financially then we are doomed in the marketplace for any coach with hiring. If, this President has deemed this is as good as we can expect then he needs to go. He is the one who signed off on this shit show and the Board of Trustees need to perhaps evaluate his performance more than Mullin's.
President Bobby and Oliva offered Lavin a salary reduction in his contract extension and they supposedly parted ways mutually. If we are truly stuck with this contract financially then we are doomed in the marketplace for any coach with hiring. If, this President has deemed this is as good as we can expect then he needs to go. He is the one who signed off on this shit show and the Board of Trustees need to perhaps evaluate his performance more than Mullin's.
I personally think this is the smartest approach Cragg could take.
I see it as very unlikely that Mullin will be here in 2020-21, and I think Cragg sees things the same way. New ACs will not magically turn things around in a 1 year period, but hiring them could very well lead to negative consequences.
The issue is if Cragg forces Mullin to fire his entire staff, then I believe he'd need to ensure everyone more than one year. It'd be incredibly tough to hire 3 competent ACs with only 1 guaranteed year. The new staff would also need to be given a little leeway. We all know that new HCs get some extra leeway (see CM's first 4 years), and the same would be true for the 3 new ACs. In a way, Cragg would be basically gift wrapping CM more time.
Ultimately Mullin is 100% responsible for our mediocre performance/management, and I expect next year to be a disappointment no matter who our ACs are. If Mullin is going to continue being stubborn then let him go down with his ship.
I'm very disappointed in Mullin for not hiring new staff members, but I much prefer Cragg not to mandate anything. I want this upcoming year to be Mullin's final year if things don't turn around. All in, no excuses.
Hopefully my reasoning makes sense. I'm sure some disagree, but I genuinely think this is the best approach for Cragg to take. Assuming we have another mediocre year, this essentially guarantees that Cragg will be able to replace not just the ACs but also the biggest problem (HC).
I see it as very unlikely that Mullin will be here in 2020-21, and I think Cragg sees things the same way. New ACs will not magically turn things around in a 1 year period, but hiring them could very well lead to negative consequences.
The issue is if Cragg forces Mullin to fire his entire staff, then I believe he'd need to ensure everyone more than one year. It'd be incredibly tough to hire 3 competent ACs with only 1 guaranteed year. The new staff would also need to be given a little leeway. We all know that new HCs get some extra leeway (see CM's first 4 years), and the same would be true for the 3 new ACs. In a way, Cragg would be basically gift wrapping CM more time.
Ultimately Mullin is 100% responsible for our mediocre performance/management, and I expect next year to be a disappointment no matter who our ACs are. If Mullin is going to continue being stubborn then let him go down with his ship.
I'm very disappointed in Mullin for not hiring new staff members, but I much prefer Cragg not to mandate anything. I want this upcoming year to be Mullin's final year if things don't turn around. All in, no excuses.
Hopefully my reasoning makes sense. I'm sure some disagree, but I genuinely think this is the best approach for Cragg to take. Assuming we have another mediocre year, this essentially guarantees that Cragg will be able to replace not just the ACs but also the biggest problem (HC).
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[quote="Marillac" post=336805]Why is it so hard for this board to wait and then react?
Everyone is completely in the the dark right now. Writers...fans...”insiders”...everyone.[/quote]
I guess because we know what a key time this is with recruiting and transfer market and the season has been over for a couple of weeks. I wish I had your faith that waiting will prove fruitful.
Everyone is completely in the the dark right now. Writers...fans...”insiders”...everyone.[/quote]
I guess because we know what a key time this is with recruiting and transfer market and the season has been over for a couple of weeks. I wish I had your faith that waiting will prove fruitful.
JohnnyFever
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What I don't understand is why the BOT and major donors can't see this experiment is over. If I were a major donor, I'd be asking to talk to Cragg and tell him point blank if you don't at least replace both Mitch and fill Matt's old spot, I'm not donating another penny. Why would they be ok with this? Is any other program seriously this stupid? The writing has been on the wall for a few years and we're still pretending this will work if we only get 1 recruiter again? I really hope this is not true about Mullin being a monarch in the program. I don't care who you are...if you stink the place up and won't even have the decency to put in max effort making $2 mil a year then you need to step down. Sometimes people make their own luck or lack of luck with dumb decision after dumb decision. Let's hope logic prevails and we get not 1 but 2 legit AC's. We literally have zero chance if Mitch and GSJ are still here with 1 new AC.
redfan259999888
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[quote="JackofVirginia" post=336798][quote="SJ_NYC" post=336529]I hope he gets here![/quote]
With Matt departing it makes sense for Mullin to contact this kid immediately. Let him know we need him badly. Mullin has to be smart enough to know his future is waning. But then again?[/quote]
Keeping it short and simple since i hate reposting.
No more waiting
With Matt departing it makes sense for Mullin to contact this kid immediately. Let him know we need him badly. Mullin has to be smart enough to know his future is waning. But then again?[/quote]
Keeping it short and simple since i hate reposting.
No more waiting
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[quote="Adam" post=336807]I personally think this is the smartest approach Cragg could take.
I see it as very unlikely that Mullin will be here in 2020-21, and I think Cragg sees things the same way. New ACs will not magically turn things around in a 1 year period, but hiring them could very well lead to negative consequences.
The issue is if Cragg forces Mullin to fire his entire staff, then I believe he'd need to ensure everyone more than one year. It'd be incredibly tough to hire 3 competent ACs with only 1 guaranteed year. The new staff would also need to be given a little leeway. We all know that new HCs get some extra leeway (see CM's first 4 years), and the same would be true for the 3 new ACs. In a way, Cragg would be basically gift wrapping CM more time.
Ultimately Mullin is 100% responsible for our mediocre performance/management, and I expect next year to be a disappointment no matter who our ACs are. If Mullin is going to continue being stubborn then let him go down with his ship.
I'm very disappointed in Mullin for not hiring new staff members, but I much prefer Cragg not to mandate anything. I want this upcoming year to be Mullin's final year if things don't turn around. All in, no excuses.
Hopefully my reasoning makes sense. I'm sure some disagree, but I genuinely think this is the best approach for Cragg to take. Assuming we have another mediocre year, this essentially guarantees that Cragg will be able to replace not just the ACs but also the biggest problem (HC).[/quote]
Don't know if you are right, but your scenario would make sense.
I see it as very unlikely that Mullin will be here in 2020-21, and I think Cragg sees things the same way. New ACs will not magically turn things around in a 1 year period, but hiring them could very well lead to negative consequences.
The issue is if Cragg forces Mullin to fire his entire staff, then I believe he'd need to ensure everyone more than one year. It'd be incredibly tough to hire 3 competent ACs with only 1 guaranteed year. The new staff would also need to be given a little leeway. We all know that new HCs get some extra leeway (see CM's first 4 years), and the same would be true for the 3 new ACs. In a way, Cragg would be basically gift wrapping CM more time.
Ultimately Mullin is 100% responsible for our mediocre performance/management, and I expect next year to be a disappointment no matter who our ACs are. If Mullin is going to continue being stubborn then let him go down with his ship.
I'm very disappointed in Mullin for not hiring new staff members, but I much prefer Cragg not to mandate anything. I want this upcoming year to be Mullin's final year if things don't turn around. All in, no excuses.
Hopefully my reasoning makes sense. I'm sure some disagree, but I genuinely think this is the best approach for Cragg to take. Assuming we have another mediocre year, this essentially guarantees that Cragg will be able to replace not just the ACs but also the biggest problem (HC).[/quote]
Don't know if you are right, but your scenario would make sense.
[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=336812][quote="JackofVirginia" post=336798][quote="SJ_NYC" post=336529]I hope he gets here![/quote]
With Matt departing it makes sense for Mullin to contact this kid immediately. Let him know we need him badly. Mullin has to be smart enough to know his future is waning. But then again?[/quote]
Wait??? We been.freaking waiting 20yrs for just one ncaa tournament w, f waiti g any long, if they really care about winning and losing, then put it into action.
Enough of the waiting bs[/quote]
Those of us who are beginning to stare Father Time in the face -- or are already doing it -- can't afford to be so cavalier about writing off next season and then waiting for things to possibly get better after that.
With Matt departing it makes sense for Mullin to contact this kid immediately. Let him know we need him badly. Mullin has to be smart enough to know his future is waning. But then again?[/quote]
Wait??? We been.freaking waiting 20yrs for just one ncaa tournament w, f waiti g any long, if they really care about winning and losing, then put it into action.
Enough of the waiting bs[/quote]
Those of us who are beginning to stare Father Time in the face -- or are already doing it -- can't afford to be so cavalier about writing off next season and then waiting for things to possibly get better after that.
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SeattleJohnny
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FWIW: Hsu started following JP Pelzman today. Maybe because of the mention earlier this morning, or maybe he is the one providing information.
redfan259999888
Active member
Now i see what i did.
I somehow put my mack post in this threat, damn phone.
Sorry mods, delete it if you wish
I somehow put my mack post in this threat, damn phone.
Sorry mods, delete it if you wish
[quote="Las Vegan" post=336813][quote="Adam" post=336807]I personally think this is the smartest approach Cragg could take.
I see it as very unlikely that Mullin will be here in 2020-21, and I think Cragg sees things the same way. New ACs will not magically turn things around in a 1 year period, but hiring them could very well lead to negative consequences.
The issue is if Cragg forces Mullin to fire his entire staff, then I believe he'd need to ensure everyone more than one year. It'd be incredibly tough to hire 3 competent ACs with only 1 guaranteed year. The new staff would also need to be given a little leeway. We all know that new HCs get some extra leeway (see CM's first 4 years), and the same would be true for the 3 new ACs. In a way, Cragg would be basically gift wrapping CM more time.
Ultimately Mullin is 100% responsible for our mediocre performance/management, and I expect next year to be a disappointment no matter who our ACs are. If Mullin is going to continue being stubborn then let him go down with his ship.
I'm very disappointed in Mullin for not hiring new staff members, but I much prefer Cragg not to mandate anything. I want this upcoming year to be Mullin's final year if things don't turn around. All in, no excuses.
Hopefully my reasoning makes sense. I'm sure some disagree, but I genuinely think this is the best approach for Cragg to take. Assuming we have another mediocre year, this essentially guarantees that Cragg will be able to replace not just the ACs but also the biggest problem (HC).[/quote]
Don't know if you are right, but your scenario would make sense.[/quote]
Agree, it's plausible. The possible scenario still sucks, but conceivable.
I see it as very unlikely that Mullin will be here in 2020-21, and I think Cragg sees things the same way. New ACs will not magically turn things around in a 1 year period, but hiring them could very well lead to negative consequences.
The issue is if Cragg forces Mullin to fire his entire staff, then I believe he'd need to ensure everyone more than one year. It'd be incredibly tough to hire 3 competent ACs with only 1 guaranteed year. The new staff would also need to be given a little leeway. We all know that new HCs get some extra leeway (see CM's first 4 years), and the same would be true for the 3 new ACs. In a way, Cragg would be basically gift wrapping CM more time.
Ultimately Mullin is 100% responsible for our mediocre performance/management, and I expect next year to be a disappointment no matter who our ACs are. If Mullin is going to continue being stubborn then let him go down with his ship.
I'm very disappointed in Mullin for not hiring new staff members, but I much prefer Cragg not to mandate anything. I want this upcoming year to be Mullin's final year if things don't turn around. All in, no excuses.
Hopefully my reasoning makes sense. I'm sure some disagree, but I genuinely think this is the best approach for Cragg to take. Assuming we have another mediocre year, this essentially guarantees that Cragg will be able to replace not just the ACs but also the biggest problem (HC).[/quote]
Don't know if you are right, but your scenario would make sense.[/quote]
Agree, it's plausible. The possible scenario still sucks, but conceivable.
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RedStormRising
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I said it before I'll say it again.
Let everyone go. Hire Shaheen Holloway for $500k let him rebuild the program with NYC/NJ/CT talent. If he is successful give him big money over the an extended term.
We've tried the clean cut assistant, we've tried the flashy name (which I still think worked okay), and now we tried the HoF player. We have not gotten to the NCAA nearly enough.
Why not try someone young and hungry with local roots and work on organic growth?
Let everyone go. Hire Shaheen Holloway for $500k let him rebuild the program with NYC/NJ/CT talent. If he is successful give him big money over the an extended term.
We've tried the clean cut assistant, we've tried the flashy name (which I still think worked okay), and now we tried the HoF player. We have not gotten to the NCAA nearly enough.
Why not try someone young and hungry with local roots and work on organic growth?
[quote="RedStormRising2" post=336824]I said it before I'll say it again.
Let everyone go. Hire Shaheen Holloway for $500k let him rebuild the program with NYC/NJ/CT talent. If he is successful give him big money over the an extended term.
We've tried the clean cut assistant, we've tried the flashy name (which I still think worked okay), and now we tried the HoF player. We have not gotten to the NCAA nearly enough.
Why not try someone young and hungry with local roots and work on organic growth?[/quote]
There's other avenues to target players other than being metropolitan-centric. This isn't the 60's, 70's or 80's any longer. Go and get players from any region of the country (whether, it's NYC/NJ/CT or anywhere else in the US) and abroad.
Let everyone go. Hire Shaheen Holloway for $500k let him rebuild the program with NYC/NJ/CT talent. If he is successful give him big money over the an extended term.
We've tried the clean cut assistant, we've tried the flashy name (which I still think worked okay), and now we tried the HoF player. We have not gotten to the NCAA nearly enough.
Why not try someone young and hungry with local roots and work on organic growth?[/quote]
There's other avenues to target players other than being metropolitan-centric. This isn't the 60's, 70's or 80's any longer. Go and get players from any region of the country (whether, it's NYC/NJ/CT or anywhere else in the US) and abroad.