Cluess
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[quote="JohnnyFan" post=342932][quote="Sju grad 13" post=342931]https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1118356926507524097?s=21[/quote]
Can confirm that Fran made this comment with his pants on.[/quote]
Quite frankly, God Bless Louie, but he’s 0-for a few, from the sad ‘name change’ that being superstitious, I think doomed us to this day...To Mahoney...to our Legacy HC and, IF True, this 40-year alley cat-fight with Tim Cluess.
Sign Tim Cluess and save the Ship from further embarrassment and a nightmarish 2019-20 and beyond.
C’mon.
Can confirm that Fran made this comment with his pants on.[/quote]
Quite frankly, God Bless Louie, but he’s 0-for a few, from the sad ‘name change’ that being superstitious, I think doomed us to this day...To Mahoney...to our Legacy HC and, IF True, this 40-year alley cat-fight with Tim Cluess.
Sign Tim Cluess and save the Ship from further embarrassment and a nightmarish 2019-20 and beyond.
C’mon.
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beast of the east
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=342850][quote="MarkRedman" post=342838][quote="MSP710" post=342804][quote="RedStormNC" post=342798]What's the story with Cluess and Carnesecca from years ago that gets brought up periodically ?[/quote]
THIS!!!!!! This is it. He left for Hofstra and there are some people who can’t forgive it. Can you believe that this is the reason they won’t hire him!?!?![/quote]
Ron Rutledge was "forgiven" when he went left St John's to go to C.W. Post
How is his situation any different than Cluess's?[/quote]
Don't know if I'm all wet on the Louie vis-a-vis TC 'grudge' but that was the notion behind an earlier post wondering why Cluess seems to be the 'forgotten' candidate on our pathetic and opaque 'search' for a new HC.[/quote]
First, I never heard TV utter a single bad word about Looie and we chatted st. John's basketball a lot.
I think it could have gone back to his playing days and him.not getting a chance to play here. His 3 older brothers all got run and if there was any animosity it would have been on tc's part and not Looie.
For his part TC told me the reason he was non productive here as a player was bad knees, but I think playing time precipitated his transfer to hofstra.
I'm probably way off, but I don't believe this was ever a feud, but at most another kid who felt he deserved to play more when here. Both he and Mark Calzonetti were treated like end of bench guys who were given gift schollies because of what their brothers accomplished.
All foggy memory, and much ado about nothing.
THIS!!!!!! This is it. He left for Hofstra and there are some people who can’t forgive it. Can you believe that this is the reason they won’t hire him!?!?![/quote]
Ron Rutledge was "forgiven" when he went left St John's to go to C.W. Post
How is his situation any different than Cluess's?[/quote]
Don't know if I'm all wet on the Louie vis-a-vis TC 'grudge' but that was the notion behind an earlier post wondering why Cluess seems to be the 'forgotten' candidate on our pathetic and opaque 'search' for a new HC.[/quote]
First, I never heard TV utter a single bad word about Looie and we chatted st. John's basketball a lot.
I think it could have gone back to his playing days and him.not getting a chance to play here. His 3 older brothers all got run and if there was any animosity it would have been on tc's part and not Looie.
For his part TC told me the reason he was non productive here as a player was bad knees, but I think playing time precipitated his transfer to hofstra.
I'm probably way off, but I don't believe this was ever a feud, but at most another kid who felt he deserved to play more when here. Both he and Mark Calzonetti were treated like end of bench guys who were given gift schollies because of what their brothers accomplished.
All foggy memory, and much ado about nothing.
redfan259999888
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Today is the last day of school, can we hire Cluess today to just get the search over with.
Otherwise the search goes into next week.
The new staff need to begin to recruit with the spring signing period beginning on Thursday.
This is a disgrace.
Otherwise the search goes into next week.
The new staff need to begin to recruit with the spring signing period beginning on Thursday.
This is a disgrace.
Cluess as a player was before my time but his stats show he was not a contributor to St. John’s so the fact that he transferred seems irrelevant. Don’t buy that is the reason he hasn’t been hired and obvious nonsense if it is. At this point it doesn’t seem like he will be the next coach but I am really confused as to what other candidates we have.
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beast of the east
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I'm not him but if I were I'd be less interested right now.
Their interest in others has played out publicly and embarrassingly. If BOT is involved directly they are far out of their expertise no matter how involved they were prior.
A closer identifies his targets, makes sure they can be attained, and moves stealthily and quickly.
With each rejection this program looks less and less attractive.
Their interest in others has played out publicly and embarrassingly. If BOT is involved directly they are far out of their expertise no matter how involved they were prior.
A closer identifies his targets, makes sure they can be attained, and moves stealthily and quickly.
With each rejection this program looks less and less attractive.
[quote="Andrew" post=342944]Cluess was before my time but his stats show he was nor a contributor to St. John’s so the fact that he transferred seems irrelevant. Don’t buy that is the reason he hasn’t been hired and obvious nonsense if it is. At this point it doesn’t seem like he will be the next coach but I am really confused as to what other candidates we have.[/quote]
Hi Andrew. You’re right, “at this point, it doesn’t seem like...Tim Cluess...will be our next coach.
My addiction is asking questions.
Why won’t he be?
After the disses by Hurley and Moser, why isn’t Cluess our top choice....and who is?
He’s not in the mix because “he’s 60 years old and will always be there”?
Really?
I don’t care if it’s CYO BB, ‘who’ wins at a .700 clip?
The slam against Cluess is that he’s won at a weak mid-major level.
All of Odom’s record of a .622 winning %-age across 143 games is at the low-major level and Rhoades has a .545 winning %-age in 5 years at Rice and VCU.
They’re 44 and 46, whoopee.
Cluess is 60 and has a .648 winning %-age overall at Iona across 307 games since 2010 and a .729 winning %-age in conference across 170 games.
Cluess doesn’t coach defense; he just wins games.
Scheyer, the hot Duke, AC is 31, wow.
I suppose we have ‘mystery’ coaching candidates in our search.
I hope we’ll finish culling the list by Christmas.
All this is my acidic way of saying—and I apologize for it—we should hire Tim Cluess ASAP.
What the heck are we waiting for?
Right, he doesn’t coach defense; established guys who do don’t give us the time of day.
I think we should hire Tim Cluess to prevent having a roster of walk-ons for 2019-20.
But that’s just me.
Hi Andrew. You’re right, “at this point, it doesn’t seem like...Tim Cluess...will be our next coach.
My addiction is asking questions.
Why won’t he be?
After the disses by Hurley and Moser, why isn’t Cluess our top choice....and who is?
He’s not in the mix because “he’s 60 years old and will always be there”?
Really?
I don’t care if it’s CYO BB, ‘who’ wins at a .700 clip?
The slam against Cluess is that he’s won at a weak mid-major level.
All of Odom’s record of a .622 winning %-age across 143 games is at the low-major level and Rhoades has a .545 winning %-age in 5 years at Rice and VCU.
They’re 44 and 46, whoopee.
Cluess is 60 and has a .648 winning %-age overall at Iona across 307 games since 2010 and a .729 winning %-age in conference across 170 games.
Cluess doesn’t coach defense; he just wins games.
Scheyer, the hot Duke, AC is 31, wow.
I suppose we have ‘mystery’ coaching candidates in our search.
I hope we’ll finish culling the list by Christmas.
All this is my acidic way of saying—and I apologize for it—we should hire Tim Cluess ASAP.
What the heck are we waiting for?
Right, he doesn’t coach defense; established guys who do don’t give us the time of day.
I think we should hire Tim Cluess to prevent having a roster of walk-ons for 2019-20.
But that’s just me.
beast of the east
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They have the best guy under their noses. They have to just get out of their own way, realize they don't know wtf they are doing, and hire Cluess. Any other path will continue to make them look foolish.
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[quote="P Simmons" post=342958]Maybe this does come back to the buyout, after all. If Cluess wants a salary in the neighborhood of $1.5 to $2 million and the buyout is $2 to $3 million, then it becomes problematic.[/quote]
Why?
That’s still less than the offer to Moser.
Why?
That’s still less than the offer to Moser.
[quote="P Simmons" post=342958]Maybe this does come back to the buyout, after all. If Cluess wants a salary in the neighborhood of $1.5 to $2 million and the buyout is $2 to $3 million, then it becomes problematic.[/quote]
But then why wouldn't they at least meet with Iona to discuss?
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1118261662094696449
Some stupid admin (Oliva?) definitely has it out for him.
But then why wouldn't they at least meet with Iona to discuss?
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1118261662094696449
Some stupid admin (Oliva?) definitely has it out for him.
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[quote="MainMan" post=342967][quote="P Simmons" post=342958]Maybe this does come back to the buyout, after all. If Cluess wants a salary in the neighborhood of $1.5 to $2 million and the buyout is $2 to $3 million, then it becomes problematic.[/quote]
Why?
That’s still less than the offer to Moser.[/quote]
Depends on the guarantee offered to Moser and whether the Cluess buyout is closer to $3 million. Unknowns at this point, but a possibility.
Why?
That’s still less than the offer to Moser.[/quote]
Depends on the guarantee offered to Moser and whether the Cluess buyout is closer to $3 million. Unknowns at this point, but a possibility.
[quote="Adam" post=342972][quote="P Simmons" post=342958]Maybe this does come back to the buyout, after all. If Cluess wants a salary in the neighborhood of $1.5 to $2 million and the buyout is $2 to $3 million, then it becomes problematic.[/quote]
But then why wouldn't they at least meet with Iona to discuss?
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1118261662094696449
Some stupid admin (Oliva?) definitely has it out for him.[/quote]
Not necessarily. Cluess is not the perfect candidate and, despite local media claims, he is not a "no brainer". I would be fine with Cluess, but not exactly excited.
His offense has been very successful in the MAAC. That said, if you're expecting an organized half court approach with picks and crisp passing, you haven't watch Iona. It's up-tempo, run and gun, and shoot early in the shot clock. Personally, I have had my fill of that style.
But then why wouldn't they at least meet with Iona to discuss?
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1118261662094696449
Some stupid admin (Oliva?) definitely has it out for him.[/quote]
Not necessarily. Cluess is not the perfect candidate and, despite local media claims, he is not a "no brainer". I would be fine with Cluess, but not exactly excited.
His offense has been very successful in the MAAC. That said, if you're expecting an organized half court approach with picks and crisp passing, you haven't watch Iona. It's up-tempo, run and gun, and shoot early in the shot clock. Personally, I have had my fill of that style.
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[quote="Adam" post=342972][quote="P Simmons" post=342958]Maybe this does come back to the buyout, after all. If Cluess wants a salary in the neighborhood of $1.5 to $2 million and the buyout is $2 to $3 million, then it becomes problematic.[/quote]
But then why wouldn't they at least meet with Iona to discuss?
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1118261662094696449
Some stupid admin (Oliva?) definitely has it out for him.[/quote]
Ah, didn’t see this tweet before. So many moving pieces!
But then why wouldn't they at least meet with Iona to discuss?
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1118261662094696449
Some stupid admin (Oliva?) definitely has it out for him.[/quote]
Ah, didn’t see this tweet before. So many moving pieces!
Hi Beast,
Agree on Cluess, he only had nice things to say about Louie when I talked to him no grudge or anything of the sort. Also was very upbeat about Chris Mullin at the time. All positive stuff.
He also mentioned the knee issue as well and I guess a chance to play more at lower level Hofstra at the time. This should not be held against him at all. Rutledge example is proof positive of that.
Let's get this done!!!
Agree on Cluess, he only had nice things to say about Louie when I talked to him no grudge or anything of the sort. Also was very upbeat about Chris Mullin at the time. All positive stuff.
He also mentioned the knee issue as well and I guess a chance to play more at lower level Hofstra at the time. This should not be held against him at all. Rutledge example is proof positive of that.
Let's get this done!!!
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RedStormRising
Well-known member
I don’t think Cluess is a money issue. STJ could always pay the 2.5 mm and then offer Cluess the same salary he’s making at Iona, so your all in is around the $1.3mm/annually over 5 years.
I think he is just not the ‘leading’ candidate the Post makes him out to be.
I think he is just not the ‘leading’ candidate the Post makes him out to be.
