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redmen4life
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[quote="Section9" post=340911][quote="RedStormNC" post=340905]Adam Zagoria
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Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
Apparently we were willing to pay at least that amount for Hurley but the same, or lower, amount has caused things to become stagnant with Cluess. Hmmm.[/quote]
cause it's apples and oranges....a guy about to approach his prime vs one who's way past it....
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
Apparently we were willing to pay at least that amount for Hurley but the same, or lower, amount has caused things to become stagnant with Cluess. Hmmm.[/quote]
cause it's apples and oranges....a guy about to approach his prime vs one who's way past it....
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[quote="MainMan" post=340908][quote="RedStormNC" post=340905]Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
Did anyone do any homework about the targets' current contracts?[/quote]
According to this article:
[URL]https://www.baltimoresun.com/s...p-umbc-ryan-odom-contract-20180608-story.html[/URL]
Odom’s buyout increased from $168,750 through April 2020 to $225,000 for the duration of his contract.
I don't know how there can be such a gulf between that and Cluess's buyout. Maybe the above is per annum?
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
Did anyone do any homework about the targets' current contracts?[/quote]
According to this article:
[URL]https://www.baltimoresun.com/s...p-umbc-ryan-odom-contract-20180608-story.html[/URL]
Odom’s buyout increased from $168,750 through April 2020 to $225,000 for the duration of his contract.
I don't know how there can be such a gulf between that and Cluess's buyout. Maybe the above is per annum?
[quote="RedStormRising2" post=340914][quote="Chicago Days" post=340910][quote="RedStormNC" post=340905]Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
That's a hefty sum that makes me go 'gulp'. Hurley's was $2.5mm. But we need a coach in the worst way to stanch the 'bleed', rebuild the roster and recruit.[/quote]
I'm in the wrong business. I need to get coaches under contract and then collect buy out money... crickets that's a lot of cash.[/quote]
Per capita, you'd probably get more money representing college football coaches. There's only about 1/3 of those, compared to basketball coaches, so the money is greater.
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
That's a hefty sum that makes me go 'gulp'. Hurley's was $2.5mm. But we need a coach in the worst way to stanch the 'bleed', rebuild the roster and recruit.[/quote]
I'm in the wrong business. I need to get coaches under contract and then collect buy out money... crickets that's a lot of cash.[/quote]
Per capita, you'd probably get more money representing college football coaches. There's only about 1/3 of those, compared to basketball coaches, so the money is greater.
Moose
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[quote="MainMan" post=340916]Fran being Fran, always and forever:
Fran Fraschilla
Looks like @StJohnsBBall closing in on Iona’s solid Tim Cluess, who has Red Storm DNA. The last decision to hire a mid-major coach was a good one but this will have the support of their Hall of Fame coach. That will help immensely.[/quote]
Wow shade
Fran Fraschilla
Looks like @StJohnsBBall closing in on Iona’s solid Tim Cluess, who has Red Storm DNA. The last decision to hire a mid-major coach was a good one but this will have the support of their Hall of Fame coach. That will help immensely.[/quote]
Wow shade
From all the names being tossed around, I think Cluess is the best one, a few least fit-wise for us. We’ll see what happens. Too few of these guys have any idea how b-ball works here in NYC. I think Cluess being undersold and knocked a bit unfairly. He’s got plenty of years to coach and has a near 70% winning percentage.
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[quote="MainMan" post=340916]Fran being Fran, always and forever:
Fran Fraschilla
Looks like @StJohnsBBall closing in on Iona’s solid Tim Cluess, who has Red Storm DNA. The last decision to hire a mid-major coach was a good one but this will have the support of their Hall of Fame coach. That will help immensely.[/quote]
I thought no one took more backhanded shots at St. John's than Renard Owens.
......but I forgot about Fran.
Fran Fraschilla
Looks like @StJohnsBBall closing in on Iona’s solid Tim Cluess, who has Red Storm DNA. The last decision to hire a mid-major coach was a good one but this will have the support of their Hall of Fame coach. That will help immensely.[/quote]
I thought no one took more backhanded shots at St. John's than Renard Owens.
......but I forgot about Fran.
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Queens Quiet Skies
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[quote="Moose" post=340915][quote="MainMan" post=340908][quote="RedStormNC" post=340905]Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
Did anyone do any homework about the targets' current contracts?[/quote]
Well when coaches walk away a job usually the $4M stays put.
But We Are![/quote]
Walked away? He was forced out by a combination of factors, not least of which is toxic fans like yourself.
Just over a week ago we had a quality team, a coach who had just got his first 20 win season and an NCAA berth. Now we're interviewing his 4th assistant, Greg St. Jean, to steer a ship which has lost all its players, recruits and other assistants. We are a circus. All that "fire Mullin" CRAP all year from twitter and other media, including this site. Couldn't even leave him alone while he took care of pressing family business. No loyalty. No respect.
Well you imbeciles couldn't leave well enough alone. Now you got what you wanted. Half of you are a total disgrace.
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
Did anyone do any homework about the targets' current contracts?[/quote]
Well when coaches walk away a job usually the $4M stays put.
But We Are![/quote]
Walked away? He was forced out by a combination of factors, not least of which is toxic fans like yourself.
Just over a week ago we had a quality team, a coach who had just got his first 20 win season and an NCAA berth. Now we're interviewing his 4th assistant, Greg St. Jean, to steer a ship which has lost all its players, recruits and other assistants. We are a circus. All that "fire Mullin" CRAP all year from twitter and other media, including this site. Couldn't even leave him alone while he took care of pressing family business. No loyalty. No respect.
Well you imbeciles couldn't leave well enough alone. Now you got what you wanted. Half of you are a total disgrace.
[quote="simplyred" post=340917]Has Cragg actually mentioned any candidates—Cluess, Hurley or otherwise—or has all this been speculation on our part? I haven’t seen anything directly from him other than the Mullin goodbye note.[/quote]
Nope
Nope
[quote="Brian W." post=340928][quote="Moose" post=340915][quote="MainMan" post=340908][quote="RedStormNC" post=340905]Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
Did anyone do any homework about the targets' current contracts?[/quote]
Well when coaches walk away a job usually the $4M stays put.
But We Are![/quote]
Walked away? He was forced out by a combination of factors, not least of which is toxic fans like yourself.
Just over a week ago we had a quality team, a coach who had just got his first 20 win season and an NCAA berth. Now we're interviewing his 4th assistant, Greg St. Jean, to steer a ship which has lost all its players, recruits and other assistants. We are a circus. All that "fire Mullin" CRAP all year from twitter and other media, including this site. Couldn't even leave him alone while he took care of pressing family business. No loyalty. No respect.
Well you imbeciles couldn't leave well enough alone. Now you got what you wanted. Half of you are a total disgrace.[/quote]
Welcome back, Liz.
Missed you.
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
Did anyone do any homework about the targets' current contracts?[/quote]
Well when coaches walk away a job usually the $4M stays put.
But We Are![/quote]
Walked away? He was forced out by a combination of factors, not least of which is toxic fans like yourself.
Just over a week ago we had a quality team, a coach who had just got his first 20 win season and an NCAA berth. Now we're interviewing his 4th assistant, Greg St. Jean, to steer a ship which has lost all its players, recruits and other assistants. We are a circus. All that "fire Mullin" CRAP all year from twitter and other media, including this site. Couldn't even leave him alone while he took care of pressing family business. No loyalty. No respect.
Well you imbeciles couldn't leave well enough alone. Now you got what you wanted. Half of you are a total disgrace.[/quote]
Welcome back, Liz.
Missed you.
Moose
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[quote="Brian W." post=340928][quote="Moose" post=340915][quote="MainMan" post=340908][quote="RedStormNC" post=340905]Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
Did anyone do any homework about the targets' current contracts?[/quote]
Well when coaches walk away a job usually the $4M stays put.
But We Are![/quote]
Walked away? He was forced out by a combination of factors, not least of which is toxic fans like yourself.
Just over a week ago we had a quality team, a coach who had just got his first 20 win season and an NCAA berth. Now we're interviewing his 4th assistant, Greg St. Jean, to steer a ship which has lost all its players, recruits and other assistants. We are a circus. All that "fire Mullin" CRAP all year from twitter and other media, including this site. Couldn't even leave him alone while he took care of pressing family business. No loyalty. No respect.
Well you imbeciles couldn't leave well enough alone. Now you got what you wanted. Half of you are a total disgrace.[/quote]
If you would like to name call I'm happy to oblige. Just let me know.
Also if the site and Twitter had so much control as you claim, Pitino would be coach by now.
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
Did anyone do any homework about the targets' current contracts?[/quote]
Well when coaches walk away a job usually the $4M stays put.
But We Are![/quote]
Walked away? He was forced out by a combination of factors, not least of which is toxic fans like yourself.
Just over a week ago we had a quality team, a coach who had just got his first 20 win season and an NCAA berth. Now we're interviewing his 4th assistant, Greg St. Jean, to steer a ship which has lost all its players, recruits and other assistants. We are a circus. All that "fire Mullin" CRAP all year from twitter and other media, including this site. Couldn't even leave him alone while he took care of pressing family business. No loyalty. No respect.
Well you imbeciles couldn't leave well enough alone. Now you got what you wanted. Half of you are a total disgrace.[/quote]
If you would like to name call I'm happy to oblige. Just let me know.
Also if the site and Twitter had so much control as you claim, Pitino would be coach by now.
beast of the east
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=340910][quote="RedStormNC" post=340905]Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
That's a hefty sum that makes me go 'gulp'. Hurley's was $2.5mm. But we need a coach in the worst way to stanch the 'bleed', rebuild the roster and recruit.[/quote]
It was reported here that Cluess signed with an agent for the first time recently. That he signed a contract with a buyout clause of 5 times his current salary means his employers took advantage of him and enticed him with a nice bump to the $500k range. Almost for sure that buyout will cost him in terms of what St. John's us willing to pay. In stead of reasonably paying him in the $1 million range, when you add the buyout they will have to pay in addition, a reasonable cost on a 5 year deal would be 5 years at $700k per, and adding the $2.5 million in, would costs us $6 million over 5 years. He's not worth much more than a $1.2 million per, and the only school who might offer that money and are local would be Seton Hall, who appear to be set.
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
That's a hefty sum that makes me go 'gulp'. Hurley's was $2.5mm. But we need a coach in the worst way to stanch the 'bleed', rebuild the roster and recruit.[/quote]
It was reported here that Cluess signed with an agent for the first time recently. That he signed a contract with a buyout clause of 5 times his current salary means his employers took advantage of him and enticed him with a nice bump to the $500k range. Almost for sure that buyout will cost him in terms of what St. John's us willing to pay. In stead of reasonably paying him in the $1 million range, when you add the buyout they will have to pay in addition, a reasonable cost on a 5 year deal would be 5 years at $700k per, and adding the $2.5 million in, would costs us $6 million over 5 years. He's not worth much more than a $1.2 million per, and the only school who might offer that money and are local would be Seton Hall, who appear to be set.
[quote="Brian W." post=340928][quote="Moose" post=340915][quote="MainMan" post=340908][quote="RedStormNC" post=340905]Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
Did anyone do any homework about the targets' current contracts?[/quote]
Well when coaches walk away a job usually the $4M stays put.
But We Are![/quote]
Walked away? He was forced out by a combination of factors, not least of which is toxic fans like yourself.
Just over a week ago we had a quality team, a coach who had just got his first 20 win season and an NCAA berth. Now we're interviewing his 4th assistant, Greg St. Jean, to steer a ship which has lost all its players, recruits and other assistants. We are a circus. All that "fire Mullin" CRAP all year from twitter and other media, including this site. Couldn't even leave him alone while he took care of pressing family business. No loyalty. No respect.
Well you imbeciles couldn't leave well enough alone. Now you got what you wanted. Half of you are a total disgrace.[/quote]
Maybe Mullin should have spent some time recruiting, hiring appropriate assistants and put the effort in that this requires. We were going to enter this season without Matt with NO point guard nor any assistants who know how to recruit. Mullin created a losing combo as our roster was bringing almost nobody in to compete at a high level. Don’t blame others. Family business has nothing to do with it. Mullin didn’t seem concerned about loyalty letting Slice and his mega contract go and not replacing him with anybody. He was loyal to Matt who decided the ship was taking on too much water, and he was right.
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
Did anyone do any homework about the targets' current contracts?[/quote]
Well when coaches walk away a job usually the $4M stays put.
But We Are![/quote]
Walked away? He was forced out by a combination of factors, not least of which is toxic fans like yourself.
Just over a week ago we had a quality team, a coach who had just got his first 20 win season and an NCAA berth. Now we're interviewing his 4th assistant, Greg St. Jean, to steer a ship which has lost all its players, recruits and other assistants. We are a circus. All that "fire Mullin" CRAP all year from twitter and other media, including this site. Couldn't even leave him alone while he took care of pressing family business. No loyalty. No respect.
Well you imbeciles couldn't leave well enough alone. Now you got what you wanted. Half of you are a total disgrace.[/quote]
Maybe Mullin should have spent some time recruiting, hiring appropriate assistants and put the effort in that this requires. We were going to enter this season without Matt with NO point guard nor any assistants who know how to recruit. Mullin created a losing combo as our roster was bringing almost nobody in to compete at a high level. Don’t blame others. Family business has nothing to do with it. Mullin didn’t seem concerned about loyalty letting Slice and his mega contract go and not replacing him with anybody. He was loyal to Matt who decided the ship was taking on too much water, and he was right.
beast of the east
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[quote="redmen4life" post=340918][quote="Section9" post=340911][quote="RedStormNC" post=340905]Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
Apparently we were willing to pay at least that amount for Hurley but the same, or lower, amount has caused things to become stagnant with Cluess. Hmmm.[/quote]
cause it's apples and oranges....a guy about to approach his prime vs one who's way past it....[/quote]
That's funny Hurley will be 48 in two months, Cluess 60. 48 is hardly his prime. Just ask any 50 year old who got laid off form a long term job how hard it is to find employment. Cluess could easily coach ten more years, and we haven't had a coach last that long since Looie.
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
Apparently we were willing to pay at least that amount for Hurley but the same, or lower, amount has caused things to become stagnant with Cluess. Hmmm.[/quote]
cause it's apples and oranges....a guy about to approach his prime vs one who's way past it....[/quote]
That's funny Hurley will be 48 in two months, Cluess 60. 48 is hardly his prime. Just ask any 50 year old who got laid off form a long term job how hard it is to find employment. Cluess could easily coach ten more years, and we haven't had a coach last that long since Looie.
Mullin's $4 million "buyout" (or lack thereof) is definitely screwing over the school. Without it we may have gotten Hurley. That horrible contract could set us back a full decade (two coaching hires).
Hopefully the school learns how to write up a contract this time. Mullin never should have been paid that much annually in the first place, let alone lacking a way for us to exit without paying 100%.
Hopefully the school learns how to write up a contract this time. Mullin never should have been paid that much annually in the first place, let alone lacking a way for us to exit without paying 100%.
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=340934][quote="Chicago Days" post=340910][quote="RedStormNC" post=340905]Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
That's a hefty sum that makes me go 'gulp'. Hurley's was $2.5mm. But we need a coach in the worst way to stanch the 'bleed', rebuild the roster and recruit.[/quote]
It was reported here that Cluess signed with an agent for the first time recently. That he signed a contract with a buyout clause of 5 times his current salary means his employers took advantage of him and enticed him with a nice bump to the $500k range. Almost for sure that buyout will cost him in terms of what St. John's us willing to pay. In stead of reasonably paying him in the $1 million range, when you add the buyout they will have to pay in addition, a reasonable cost on a 5 year deal would be 5 years at $700k per, and adding the $2.5 million in, would costs us $6 million over 5 years. He's not worth much more than a $1.2 million per, and the only school who might offer that money and are local would be Seton Hall, who appear to be set.[/quote]
Good point and I didn’t think about that. Iona was smart and basically made it so it’s prohibitive to buy him out. Maybe Cluess should have hired an agent last time Iona wrote it up.
@AdamZagoria
Source: Tim Cluess’ buyout has caused things to become ‘stagnant’ with @StJohnsBBall. The buyout is in the $2-2.5M range.[/quote]
That's a hefty sum that makes me go 'gulp'. Hurley's was $2.5mm. But we need a coach in the worst way to stanch the 'bleed', rebuild the roster and recruit.[/quote]
It was reported here that Cluess signed with an agent for the first time recently. That he signed a contract with a buyout clause of 5 times his current salary means his employers took advantage of him and enticed him with a nice bump to the $500k range. Almost for sure that buyout will cost him in terms of what St. John's us willing to pay. In stead of reasonably paying him in the $1 million range, when you add the buyout they will have to pay in addition, a reasonable cost on a 5 year deal would be 5 years at $700k per, and adding the $2.5 million in, would costs us $6 million over 5 years. He's not worth much more than a $1.2 million per, and the only school who might offer that money and are local would be Seton Hall, who appear to be set.[/quote]
Good point and I didn’t think about that. Iona was smart and basically made it so it’s prohibitive to buy him out. Maybe Cluess should have hired an agent last time Iona wrote it up.
[quote="Adam" post=340938]Mullin's $4 million "buyout" (or lack thereof) is definitely screwing over the school. Without it we may have gotten Hurley. That horrible contract could set us back a full decade (two coaching hires).
Hopefully the school learns how to write up a contract this time. Mullin never should have been paid that much annually in the first place, let alone not having a way for us to exit.[/quote]
Same guys that wrote up Slice’s contract I assume? Maybe Mullin should be held responsible for that contract cost.
Hopefully the school learns how to write up a contract this time. Mullin never should have been paid that much annually in the first place, let alone not having a way for us to exit.[/quote]
Same guys that wrote up Slice’s contract I assume? Maybe Mullin should be held responsible for that contract cost.
beast of the east
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[quote="Adam" post=340938]Mullin's $4 million "buyout" (or lack thereof) is definitely screwing over the school. Without it we may have gotten Hurley. That horrible contract could set us back a full decade (two coaching hires).
Hopefully the school learns how to write up a contract this time. Mullin never should have been paid that much annually in the first place, let alone lacking a way for us to exit without paying 100%.[/quote]
I don't think anyone in a major conference would not demand 6 years guaranteed $$, 5 at the least. Don't blame him for his contract, and tbh, he appeared to be interest in fulfilling it even after Matt left. The school appears to have pulled the plug, and in doing so are left with the obligation. However, as always, the devil is in the details, and we rarely know enough to waste all these keystrokes.
Hopefully the school learns how to write up a contract this time. Mullin never should have been paid that much annually in the first place, let alone lacking a way for us to exit without paying 100%.[/quote]
I don't think anyone in a major conference would not demand 6 years guaranteed $$, 5 at the least. Don't blame him for his contract, and tbh, he appeared to be interest in fulfilling it even after Matt left. The school appears to have pulled the plug, and in doing so are left with the obligation. However, as always, the devil is in the details, and we rarely know enough to waste all these keystrokes.
beast of the east
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[quote="MCNPA" post=340940][quote="Adam" post=340938]Mullin's $4 million "buyout" (or lack thereof) is definitely screwing over the school. Without it we may have gotten Hurley. That horrible contract could set us back a full decade (two coaching hires).
Hopefully the school learns how to write up a contract this time. Mullin never should have been paid that much annually in the first place, let alone not having a way for us to exit.[/quote]
Same guys that wrote up Slice’s contract I assume? Maybe Mullin should be held responsible for that contract cost.[/quote]
A thought occurred. Since his adversaries are now gone (Matt and Chris), wouldn't it be really funny if a new HC put Slice on his staff to fulfill the final 2 years of his contract since he is still getting paid?
Hopefully the school learns how to write up a contract this time. Mullin never should have been paid that much annually in the first place, let alone not having a way for us to exit.[/quote]
Same guys that wrote up Slice’s contract I assume? Maybe Mullin should be held responsible for that contract cost.[/quote]
A thought occurred. Since his adversaries are now gone (Matt and Chris), wouldn't it be really funny if a new HC put Slice on his staff to fulfill the final 2 years of his contract since he is still getting paid?