Champ

[Mullins Revenge]

Having Champ in our program has been a wonderful breath of fresh air. He seems to be a good "kid" off the court and he has been a very good college player and asset to St John's basketball for three years.

Having said that, while I sincerely hope that he gets drafted, it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't. Sure, he has skills but so do lots of others who never wear an NBA jersey. Watch a G league game on TV and you'll see several former college stars who are very good players who just aren't good enough for the big time. I'm concerned that he is not a great defender nor is he adept at creating his own shot. Having seen him play for three years, while I'd love to see him come back next year, I don't think that another year in college will change things for him. But he certainly is talented enough to play overseas and make a good living there as many of our former players have done.

I've enjoyed watching Champ play and wish him all the best in his future endeavors.

I agree.  I dont think coming back will effect him at all.  I do not think he will get drafted this year or after next year if he returned.

If he looks at his brother as an example, his brother sits on the end of the bench in Toronto and doesnt play.  If it was me, id rather play and be the big dog on campus another year rather then ride the pine.

 

[Roamer]

Champ should come back for another year and develop, absent some crazy performance in the BET he is not getting drafted at this point 1st or 2nd round.  He has a great bball career ahead of him but not NBA at this time.  I hope I am wrong as any SJU person making it to the league is good for the program.   

 

[fordham96]

There is .001% chance he comes back.  He was VERY close to turning pro last year he is not coming back for his 4th year.

Roamer post=460065
Champ should come back for another year and develop, absent some crazy performance in the BET he is not getting drafted at this point 1st or 2nd round.  He has a great bball career ahead of him but not NBA at this time.  I hope I am wrong as any SJU person making it to the league is good for the program.   

 

[Andrew]

Champs would really need to improve his shooting a lot to make an NBA roster. I do think he has a very good feel for the game. He seems more likely to be be headed to the G League and then to Europe. I would never count him out though. He is a hard worker and a smart baketball player. I am thrilled he chose to play here. I wish things had worked out better for both him and the team. He still has one more chance in the BET.

 

[GardenCity62]

Champ has to go this year. He may go late second round and probably won’t make an NBA roster but the worst thing a player who has any chance of playing pro can do is to stay four years in school. Champ probably hurt his pro chances by coming back this year.
NBA scouts put a lot of value in potential and the longer one stays in school the potential factor decreases.

 

[JohnnyFan]

Champ has to go this year. He may go late second round and probably won’t make an NBA roster but the worst thing a player who has any chance of playing pro can do is to stay four years in school. Champ probably hurt his pro chances by coming back this year.
NBA scouts put a lot of value in potential and the longer one stays in school the potential factor decreases.

Not sure it's the worst thing a player can do, and also not suggesting the best move for Champ is to stay in school.  However, there are many examples of 4 year college players having very good NBA careers.

Some Notable Examples:  Damien Lillard, Jimmy Butler, Draymond Green, Buddy Hield, CJ McCollum.

Recent and Good Champ Comparisons:  Chris Duarte, Corey Kispert, Desmond Bane, Cameron Johnson, Cody Martin, Dylan Windler, Payton Pritchard 

 

[Mean Gene]

Having Champ in our program has been a wonderful breath of fresh air. He seems to be a good "kid" off the court and he has been a very good college player and asset to St John's basketball for three years.

Having said that, while I sincerely hope that he gets drafted, it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't. Sure, he has skills but so do lots of others who never wear an NBA jersey. Watch a G league game on TV and you'll see several former college stars who are very good players who just aren't good enough for the big time. I'm concerned that he is not a great defender nor is he adept at creating his own shot. Having seen him play for three years, while I'd love to see him come back next year, I don't think that another year in college will change things for him. But he certainly is talented enough to play overseas and make a good living there as many of our former players have done.

I've enjoyed watching Champ play and wish him all the best in his future endeavors.

I agree.  I dont think coming back will effect him at all.  I do not think he will get drafted this year or after next year if he returned.

If he looks at his brother as an example, his brother sits on the end of the bench in Toronto and doesnt play.  If it was me, id rather play and be the big dog on campus another year rather then ride the pine.

That’s only works if they can get him a certain amount of NIL money. Otherwise, he can go overseas and make money.

 

[NCJohnnie]

JohnnyFan wrote:

Not sure it's the worst thing a player can do, and also not suggesting the best move for Champ is to stay in school.  However, there are many examples of 4 year college players having very good NBA careers.

Some Notable Examples:  Damien Lillard, Jimmy Butler, Draymond Green, Buddy Hield, CJ McCollum.

Recent and Good Champ Comparisons:  Chris Duarte, Corey Kispert, Desmond Bane, Cameron Johnson, Cody Martin, Dylan Windler, Payton Pritchard 

Josh Hart from Nova is another example of someone who played 4 years and has had a solid pro career. Doubt very much Champ comes back to school but it's not a pro death knell to play 4 years. Wish him the best, he's certainly exceeded expectations we had for him coming into college by leaps and bounds despite some tough games this year. 

 

[L J S A]

That’s only works if they can get him a certain amount of NIL money. Otherwise, he can go overseas and make money.

Does he have the personality to actually sell anything? Seems too quiet and serious. Plus it would take hundreds of thousands of NIL dollars to even make him consider it, and I haven't even heard of that type money being thrown around at football schools.

Unfortunately, at least two overseas options may have pretty much evaporated over the past couple days, which will affect openings in other countries.

 

[bamafan]

That’s only works if they can get him a certain amount of NIL money. Otherwise, he can go overseas and make money.

Does he have the personality to actually sell anything? Seems too quiet and serious. Plus it would take hundreds of thousands of NIL dollars to even make him consider it, and I haven't even heard of that type money being thrown around at football schools.

Unfortunately, at least two overseas options may have pretty much evaporated over the past couple days, which will affect openings in other countries.

That type of money and even higher amounts have been reported in football. I doubt most of the NIL agreements with players are expected to get an equal return on investments. Think it was BYU where someone guaranteed NIL money to all the walk ons in football where there can be as many as 30 in number.

 

[otis]

The big money in NIL for the vast number of “student athletes” will not involve “selling merchandise”.

Many foundations have been/ are being created by third party entities with the encouragement of the school whereby supporters can make tax deductible donations to the third party entity which in turn makes money available to not for profits that pay the student athlete seemingly disproportionately large sums of money for appearances, clinics, mentoring area  youth programs.  

so yeah, a student athlete can attempt to sell his name on a t-shirt and make a few dollars (see Syracuse University’s Joe Girard’s lame attempt linked below; note SU would not give him right to use SU logos) but the long term money in NIL is the foundation money collected through tax deductible donations.

jG3 T-shirt
https://cusenationnews-3.creator-sp...MI-OiZsqad9gIV9xXUAR3XNQsJEAQYASABEgIg9PD_BwE

 

[beast of the east]

The big money in NIL for the vast number of “student athletes” will not involve “selling merchandise”.

Many foundations have been/ are being created by third party entities with the encouragement of the school whereby supporters can make tax deductible donations to the third party entity which in turn makes money available to not for profits that pay the student athlete seemingly disproportionately large sums of money for appearances, clinics, mentoring area  youth programs.  

so yeah, a student athlete can attempt to sell his name on a t-shirt and make a few dollars (see Syracuse University’s Joe Girard’s lame attempt linked below; note SU would not give him right to use SU logos) but the long term money in NIL is the foundation money collected through tax deductible donations.

jG3 T-shirt
https://cusenationnews-3.creator-sp...MI-OiZsqad9gIV9xXUAR3XNQsJEAQYASABEgIg9PD_BwE

Thanks for this explanation.   In BYU's case, I would imagine that their support comes from the many wealthy and successful businessman in the LDS community.    BYU as a school is so successful that they opened a 2 year campus in Rexburg, Idaho as an overflow to the main campus.   The 2 year campus was so successful that they converted it to a 4 year school with 12,000 undergraduates.   The LDS community is a very large, very tight, and very generous.  

 

[otis]

see “Heels4Life” as one of many examples

[URL]https://www.heels4life.org/about[/URL]
 

 

[Mean Gene]

see “Heels4Life” as one of many examples

[URL]https://www.heels4life.org/about[/URL]

 

Do we have Storm4Life organization where fans and donors can contribute???

 

[montyaloofah]

There are a lot of parallels to the 2 Jules that play ball in nyc and at MSG. Julius Randle and Julian Champagnie. Both good scoring bigger guys. They both struggle in the spotlight (Randle in playoffs). The game slows when they have the ball. They are questionable at winning time. They are not closers at the foul line. Their respective teams are not good at home. Just disappointing all around

 

[room112]

You can knock Julian's game all you want, but the bottom line is CMA doesn't seem to do him any favors by setting plays to get him open, setting up screens for him, etc. This is one of the few instances I think his game is actually more suited for the NBA where he won't have to be "the guy". His shooting ability will work great in those 5 out offensive structures. 

 

[paultzman]

https://twitter.com/nypostsports/status/1498844055534555138?s=21

 

[JohnnyFan]

Champ from Zach's article:

“One thing I can say is the guys aren’t done fighting. We’ve had a rough year, ups and downs, some games we should’ve won, some games we gave away. But we’re not done. I don’t know what anybody else thinks — I don’t really care what anybody else thinks — the players are not done. We’re not done fighting.”

 

 

[JohnnyFan]

Also from Champ:

“I wouldn’t change going to St. John’s if I had a choice three times again. I enjoyed the school. I love it. I love the fans even though they’re crazy,” he joked. “I love my teammates, all three years of my teammates. The coaching staff always stuck with me. I’ve been through things here that I probably wouldn’t have gone through anywhere else. I wouldn’t be the same player, same person I am today.”

Kid is a gem.

 

[L J S A]

Champ from Zach's article:

“One thing I can say is the guys aren’t done fighting. We’ve had a rough year, ups and downs, some games we should’ve won, some games we gave away. But we’re not done. I don’t know what anybody else thinks — I don’t really care what anybody else thinks — the players are not done. We’re not done fighting.”


 

This is why it bugs me that posters are saying the season is over. With the automatic bid, it's not truly over until we lose there.