...Can we make the Tournament?

No more than 5 BE teams getting in. Our best chance may be beating out Xavier for that 5th slot. Tonight is key.
 
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St Johns would move into fifth with a win over Xavier. Also would be a Quad 2 victory. Huge game coming up for #sjubb
 
What a win tonight.  Now we need to take care of business Saturday and have nove beat uconn and we should be ahead of the huskies in all brackets.
 
Decoucy wasn't comittal on our making the Tourny yet on the Post game show .,said we are 73 ranked team now . He seemed much more enthusiastic about UConn with Boutknight back . 
 
Excellent win tonight. Let's see where our NET is in the morning. Should be back in the 60's.
 
Win our remaining 3 home games and I don't see the committee leaving us out. 

question... since the new big East formed... has a team that won 11 or more conference games been left out of the field? 
 
Jack - an 11 win (or more) Big East team has never been left out. I agree that 3-1 should be enough, even with a first round BET loss (we'd get a bye so shouldn't be a bad loss). 


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NET improved from #73 to #66. That's a big jump for a home game, but just shows the importance of margins.

Prior to the game we were in 2 brackets on Bracket Matrix. I think we'll be in a dozen or more by Friday. 
 
We simply have to take this one game at a time.

I wonder if the standings going into the final couple of games would cause the Big East to reschedule the SJU UConn game.

What will be the least # of conference games the league will allow for a team?  Will anyone have less than 19?

I agree that 11 wins, especially if 11-8, should get us in, but looking forward, giving this odd season, it may also be necessary to win at least 1 BET game if not two.
 
Jack Williams" post=420058 said:
Win our remaining 3 home games and I don't see the committee leaving us out. 

question... since the new big East formed... has a team that won 11 or more conference games been left out of the field? 
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I agree 3 more wins should do it, however it's an odd year, Lunardi still has us in the "Next 4 Out" group.  The Xavier win only moved us up 2 spots.

When I look at the other bubble teams, I see a lot of those teams haven't played that many games.  For example, you look at the Mountain West, that's typically a 1 or 2 bid league, they got 4 teams projected in the field this year, reason for that is those teams they have projected in haven't played a lot of games, and that's help them avoid bad losses, that they normally would get because they don't typically play strong schedules in that league.  For example Utah State is only going to play 19 regular season games and they will be the champ in that league.  They essentially got 8 games scratched off the schedule, you have to think of those 8 games, do they not have any bumps in that?

I really hope the committe takes that into consideration and reward teams that played more games and had their staff/players following protocols and avoided positive tests.  Because you have a lot of teams, even teams in the Big East like Xavier and Uconn that they did well in early in the season then just missed a good portion of their conference schedule and avoided a lot of losses, and now they are ahead of teams that have been doing the conference grind of 2 games a week.  And then it's not fair that the league doesn't require those teams to reschedule those games.  UConn basically told St. John's, nah we're not going to give you your home game, and they still get to be ahead of us in the standings and on the brackets.
 
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Beast of the East" post=420086 said:
We simply have to take this one game at a time.

I wonder if the standings going into the final couple of games would cause the Big East to reschedule the SJU UConn game.

What will be the least # of conference games the league will allow for a team?  Will anyone have less than 19?

I agree that 11 wins, especially if 11-8, should get us in, but looking forward, giving this odd season, it may also be necessary to win at least 1 BET game if not two.


I agree Beast. We need to beat DePaul and Providence and win either the Vllianova or Seton Hall game to put ourselves in position for an NCAA tournament bid. Then if we do that , I still think we need one win in the BET to assure ourselves a bid. I've been consistent all along in believing that we need 18 wins to guarantee ourselves a spot in the Big Dance. 
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Since the Big East re-aligned, has any Big East team with a winning record in conference missed the NCAA tournament? Thinking the answer is no. Assuming no UConn makeup, if we go 10-9 and avoid a bad loss to DePaul at home I'm thinking we will be fine. 
 
Room112" post=420138 said:
Since the Big East re-aligned, has any Big East team with a winning record in conference missed the NCAA tournament? Thinking the answer is no. Assuming no UConn makeup, if we go 10-9 and avoid a bad loss to DePaul at home I'm thinking we will be fine. 
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Unfortunately the answer is us. 2013-14, Harrison, Pointer, Greene junior class. Finished regular season (20-11) and 10-8 in conference. Lost BET against Providence, before sleepwalking in the NIT against Robert Morris.
Horrific 0-5 league start did us in, great run in February with wins against NCAA bound Creighton and Providence, but it wasn't enough.
 
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lawmanfan" post=419067 said:
Nothing has changed.  The prescription remains winning 3 more games (assuming we have 5 left and no UConn rematch) and then at least one in the BET.  Fail to win 3 more games and it becomes winning a minimum of 2 in the BET. 

Of course some of it depends on which 2 or 3 we win (obviously beating Nova, Seton Hall and X goes farther than beating Providence and DePaul, but the latter two are now must-wins and we probably need to find a third).
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Bump from after the Butler game - and we STILL need to win 3 more games, mostly because a Providence loss would now be a bad loss.  So we need to beat DePaul, Providence, and either Nova or the Hall.  Fail to do that and then they have to win a game in the BET.

I do not think you can count on any historical information (number of wins, number of teams from a conference, winning record in conference, etc) this year.

What helps the Big East (which to my eye test is a 3 or 4 bid league) is that the ACC should get about 4 fewer teams than usual.  However the Big 10, Big 12 and SEC will get their share of teams in, maybe an extra team or two for the B10 or the SEC.

But if SJU takes care of business they can make the field.  They more or less control their own destiny.
 
I am very confident that if we win Depaul, Hall & PC games, we are in (would be 11-8 in BE and 17-9 overall assuming loss at Nova, with some good wins and no bad losses). Of course that is easier said then done. I believe BE will get 4 or 5 teams in this year, but we'll see.
 
Beast of the East" post=420086 said:
We simply have to take this one game at a time.

I wonder if the standings going into the final couple of games would cause the Big East to reschedule the SJU UConn game.

What will be the least # of conference games the league will allow for a team?  Will anyone have less than 19?

I agree that 11 wins, especially if 11-8, should get us in, but looking forward, giving this odd season, it may also be necessary to win at least 1 BET game if not two.
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Just curious but does any one know the last, and possibly how many BE teams failed to make the tournament with a winning record in conference and that were 6 games over .500 overall?  

If we beat DePaul and win 1 of the other 3, we would be 10-4 in our last 14 games of the season.

Maybe its me but I can't see the NCAA leaving out the hottest team in the leage the last two months of the year, with the BE POY and FOY, a 10-9 conf record and 16-10 overall mark.    

 
 
This is why it's so important to start league play decent, if they started say 3-3 instead of 1-5, it isn't even up for discussion because at 10-5 in the league, we're In.
But instead they fighting in every game just to make the ncaa tourney.
Good this college schedule is 2 games a week ma, or it would be to taxing.q
 
As LMF noted, if this hot team does get in, not too many teams in Dance will welcome playing this group.

I have a feeling they might get a Dance ticket, but in the event they don't, I could not be more pleased at what this group has accomplished. They not only dug out of a deep hole, but play an exciting style, seem to enjoy each other and are coachable. If they keep this group together, next year should even be more impressive and enjoyable. I also think recruiting will benefit from what these kids and staff have accomplished, as well as national attention they are getting.

The program seems on that elusive plane of sustainable success. Not shabby in such a short period of time. Feels good.
 
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As LMF noted, if this hot team does get in, not too many teams in Dance will welcome playing this group.

I have a feeling they might get a Dance ticket, but in the event they don't, I could not be more pleased at what this group has accomplished. They not only dug out of a deep hole, but play an exciting style, seem to enjoy each other and are coachable. If they keep this group together, next year should even be more impressive and enjoyable. I also think recruiting will benefit from what these kids and staff have accomplished, as well as national attention they are getting.

The program seems on that elusive plane of sustainable success. Not shabby in such a short period of time. Feels good.
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I agree.  

Objectively speaking, in the context of how the year has transpired, this being year 2 of CMA, not making the tourney, the season should still be considered a success.

That being said, not making it would still sting.  We'd go into the offseason talking about all the 'what ifs'.  

As Johnnie fans, for the last 20+ years, we always talk about 'next year'.  We have the right team in place, now.  Who knows about next year, with transfers and all.  This team can make it.  Getting in this year, would accelerate the progress.

PS:  Coach should win COY. Posh should win FOY & DPOY.  Champ should be all first team.
 
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Most Big East teams have better OOCs than we do. If a team like Marquette (beat Wisconsin) had our Big East record they'd easily be in the field. If we had an OOC resume like any of the prior 3 years we'd be in right now. On the flip side, we're VERY fortunate to have held on against Rider, St. Peter's and BC. 

Our OOC wasn't terrible, but no significant wins and far too close margins against mediocre competition. That hurt our NET. 

Looking at conference record doesn't mean much. We just need to win the games we're expected to and we should be good. 
 
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