@Butler, Wed., Feb. 28, 8:30p, CBSSN
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I would worry more of it was a John Minko Bobblehead .
I think much of the Posh fan club is more Sentimental than Actual comparison . He was a Crowd pleaser , for more than fair share of his time here ,
Plus , there is the loyalty factor of him being a local HS standout , who choose St John’s .
A better player than Jenkins ? No , he isn’t but , that’s not his continued fondness from a segment of this fan base .
Oddly enough if you go take a look at the comparative stats on page 5 of this thread I think what you will find is that while they are very different players, there isn't much difference between Posh and Jenkins, at least statistically.
Shooting percentage, 3 Point percentage, Free Throw percentage are all about the same, slight edge to Jenkins in each category. Jenkins takes more 3s, Posh gets to the free throw line more. Jenkins has more assists and steals, Posh has more rebounds and blocks. Throw in Posh's superior defense and IMHO it's either a wash or a slight edge to Posh - without getting into intangibles.
The main difference between them is that Jenkins has about 100 more points on the season than Posh does - but he has also taken about 100 more shots to get there.
As I posted elsewhere, that huge discrepancy got my attention so I looked at some other PGs to see how they compared. Among Jenkins, Kadary Richmond, Tyler Kolek, Tristan Newton, Posh and Ashworth you find that Jenkins has about 30 more shots on the season than Richmond (who gets similar usage), about 50 more than Kolek and Newton, 100 more than Posh and 130(!) more than Ashworth.
Jenkins, Richmond, Newton and Kolek are all the FGA leaders for their teams (Kolek is second by a few shots, call it even). Posh and Ashworth are each 4th on their teams in that category.
Where it gets really interesting is when you look at the gap in FGA between Jenkins, Richmond, Newton and Kolek and the next player on their team. Jenkins is basically 100 shots ahead of the next player on SJU. Richmond is 50 ahead; Newton and Kolek are each about 25 ahead. (As noted above Posh and Ashworth are 4th on their teams, so they don't come into the conversation here).
It seems to me that the bottom line is usage: Jenkins is by far the most-utilized PG in the league, even more than Richmond (and their whole team revolves around Richmond) and somehow much more than Kolek and Newton (and far more than Posh and Ashworth).
I suppose one could argue that Jenkins is utilized that much because he is better than the other options on the roster; that would be consistent with Richmond's usage with a weak roster and explain Kolek and Newton's lower usage despite being much better players due to better talent around them; while scheme decisions explain Butler and Creighton's use of Posh and Ashworth.
Whether one chooses to make that argument depends on what you think of the roster around Jenkins and the scheme the staff has deployed - and opinions here about both of those things diverge widely.
Anyway, I thought the numbers were interesting - at a minimum to me they clearly disprove the view that Jenkins is much better than Posh (or vide versa), he's just used very differently. Gotta appreciate each player for what they are, not who they aren't.
debating posh vs jenkins (while I enjoy reading it) gets away from the Posh Fan Club's argument - which is that they both could've/should've be on this team
but alas it is
but alas it is
Mullins Revenge
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Posh stinks. He is the least of our concerns tomorrow. This is like playing Uconn and spending all your time discussing Hassan Diarra.
This is the 1st game i will be able to watch live in awhile. Im pumped. Should be a good one!
This is the 1st game i will be able to watch live in awhile. Im pumped. Should be a good one!
Personally, despite all the statistics, I believe that we are better off with Jenkins than Posh and that Posh is probably better off at Butler. However, I am not about to denigrate either player; I think have both been very valuable to their teams this year and I expect both coaches would agree vehemently.
SLY, Posh was more than a crowd pleaser, he was very good for us two of the three years he played here and of course fans appreciate that he stayed home and committed to the school and didn't listen to those who were undoubtedly in his ear to transfer after his superior freshman year.
Will always wish him the best except for Wednesday when I hope he and his teammates all have subpar games!
What NCJohnnie said.
Holy smokes! These Posh posts should come with a trigger warning. Maybe Lawmanfan can write something in legalese (but keep it to under 1,000 words please).
I have made it a point to stay entirely out of the Posh discussion all year. I don't agree with the revisionist history of "Posh stinks," nor do I agree that "Jenkins stinks," nor do I agree that either Posh or Jenkins is awesome. They both have pluses and minuses to their games, Posh isn't here to talk about, and the issue (to me) with Jenkins is more about his usage than his skill set - which is a coaching issue, not a player issue.
But as we know, Redmen Dot Com is where nuance goes to die.
Anyway, after reading about three trillion Posh/Jenkins posts I decided to look at the numbers, they were actually kind of interesting (at least to me), so I thought i would share.
Now people will read into them whatever they want, of course.
sju2000alum
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I don’t care about posh either way all I care about is winning this game and keeping our dance hopes alive. I think we are going to win this game tomorrow especially if we play like we did Saturday. Biggest game we have had in a long time I just want to be able to see them in the NCAA tourney this year!
oh man... really leaving us with a cliffhanger here...
We must have had an awesome practice Saturday.
I thought Redmen Dot Com is where old geezers go to get grumpy with each other until it's time for them to take their Maalox and go to bed.
My unofficial word count is under 1,000.
OCD
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Great post, will add Posh on offense was at his best playing w Julian. It is clear Posh has used his strength to his advantage since “buddy ball” & loves posting up. Julian was adept at moving away from hoop on top and drawing guys out to protect against his jumper & often he hit PA on drives in lane or straight post ups v guards w/o his strength. I think he missed Julian when he left.
I must admit Posh post ups and playing off ball so much drove me a bit crazy, much preferring my PG to be pass first guy.
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