Butler, Tue., Jan. 10, 6:30p, FS-1

[SJU85]

Their AD should be fired for hiring a coach that doesn’t want to be there

This is what happens when someone turns an offer down because they are either not sure if they want it or they definitely don‘t want it but you wear them down or make them an offer the can’t refuse. They try and think they can go about it, but their heart isn’t in it and it shows (see Knicks, Phil Jackson as an example).

 

[monte]

A half empty CA against a Big East foe, and 12 pages of posts on a thread about a beat down of that foe. Apathy has officially set in.

 

[Boo Harvey]

At least Dunn could shoot

That’s sarcasm, right? Dunn shot 15.6 percent from three point range his last year here

 

[TonyinFairfield]

A half empty CA against a Big East foe, and 12 pages of posts on a thread about a beat down of that foe. Apathy has officially set in.

Can you imagine this board if we lost to Butler? LOL!

 

[monte]

Can you imagine this board if we lost to Butler? LOL!

Could it be much worse then it's been? lol

 

[TonyinFairfield]

Could it be much worse then it's been? lol

Yeah. Probably not.

 

[Andrew]

a contrarian view:

5 wins & 8 losses

@UConn - L
Nova - L
@Creighton - L
Georgetown - W
Seton Hall - W
@Xavier - L
@Butler - W
Providence - L
@Depaul - W
Creighton - L
@Georgetown - W
UConn - L
@Marquette- L

Definitely more realistic but I think they grab one you are not expecting. If they play like they did at Providence I think it happens. That said a lose at DePaul wouldn't shock me either. 7 Big East wins seems realistic as it gives CMA the winning record he so desires.

 

[stjohnschris]

Soriano in the first half, and 3 point shooting in the 2nd half - I feel that's why we won the game. Sloppy play and a turnover fest for both teams. Very glad to get the win, but other than Butler and Georgetown, I don't think we win against other teams if we commit that many turnovers. Nywie is a liability on both ends of the floor. Feel like he's regressed.

 

[RedmanMike]

best big man at SJU since Zendon

I agree with that. Lamont Hamilton was pretty good in the early Norm years, and he was a three year starter I believe. But Soriano has been better. No one else is close since that time.

 

[RedmanMike]

This thread has me interested in the performance of our “true” centers over the years. Just did some quick checking. Some interesting tidbits:

Lamont Hamilton averaged basically 13ppg and 7 boards over his last three years - when he was a full-time starter. He was a very solid player on some bad Norm teams.

Werdann, who was very skilled, only averaged double figure points once in his four years (he started all four years). And he only averaged seven boards a game total. I would have thought his stats would have been more impressive - but he also played on some very good teams with lots of scoring. He was never the go-to guy on teams that had Sealy, Boo Harvey, Jayson Williams and others.

Neither of them could hold a candle to Zendon in terms of pure production.

 

[Notanalum]

Nice win. Seton hall stinks. Losing to them the way we did is criminal

 

[AlBovino]

At least Dunn could shoot

Based on what???

 

[Johnny Rapper]

For me we have only lost one BE game that I thought was a W when looking at the schedule to start the season. That game was Marquette. We haven’t played well @ Seton Hall, @ Providence and @ Villanova the past few years. I know both Seton Hall and Villanova are “down” this year but if you include Providence who are 26-1 in their last 27 games at home against BE teams, I didn’t think we would sweep any of those three teams.

@ UConn - L
vs. Villanova - W
@ Creighton - L
vs. Georgetown - W
vs. Seton Hall - W
@ Xavier - L
@ Butler - W
vs. Providence - W
@ DePaul - W
vs. Creighton - L
@ Georgetown - W
vs. UConn - W
@ Marquette - L

So the key part of the schedule for me is the 9 games starting vs. Georgetown and ending vs. UConn. Can the team really go 7-2 during that stretch? Probably not, but we shall see.

Wait, you were not expecting a win against a Seton Hall team with a new coach who has not had much time to recruit?

 

[Johnny Rapper]

A half empty CA against a Big East foe, and 12 pages of posts on a thread about a beat down of that foe. Apathy has officially set in.

But wasn’t there a hood half time show which made the fans pour in?

 

[Johnny Rapper]

Definitely more realistic but I think they grab one you are not expecting. If they play like they did at Providence I think it happens. That said a lose at DePaul wouldn't shock me either. 7 Big East wins seems realistic as it gives CMA the winning record he so desires.

7 Big East wins won’t even get them in the NIT.

 

[Andrew]

7 Big East wins won’t even get them in the NIT.

At this point I wouldn't expect an NIT bid.

 

[ctstorm]

This thread has me interested in the performance of our “true” centers over the years. Just did some quick checking. Some interesting tidbits:

Lamont Hamilton averaged basically 13ppg and 7 boards over his last three years - when he was a full-time starter. He was a very solid player on some bad Norm teams.

Werdann, who was very skilled, only averaged double figure points once in his four years (he started all four years). And he only averaged seven boards a game total. I would have thought his stats would have been more impressive - but he also played on some very good teams with lots of scoring. He was never the go-to guy on teams that had Sealy, Boo Harvey, Jayson Williams and others.

Neither of them could hold a candle to Zendon in terms of pure production.

Except assists.

 

[MainMan]

This thread has me interested in the performance of our “true” centers over the years. Just did some quick checking. Some interesting tidbits:

Lamont Hamilton averaged basically 13ppg and 7 boards over his last three years - when he was a full-time starter. He was a very solid player on some bad Norm teams.

Werdann, who was very skilled, only averaged double figure points once in his four years (he started all four years). And he only averaged seven boards a game total. I would have thought his stats would have been more impressive - but he also played on some very good teams with lots of scoring. He was never the go-to guy on teams that had Sealy, Boo Harvey, Jayson Williams and others.

Neither of them could hold a candle to Zendon in terms of pure production.

Shawnelle Scott nearly averaged a double, double his last two years:
Jr: 14 ppg, 9 rbg
Sr: 16 ppg, 9 rbg

 

[MakingPlays]

Wait, you were not expecting a win against a Seton Hall team with a new coach who has not had much time to recruit?

Seton Hall this year was projected by most experts to be a tournament team at the beginning of the season. They've underachieved this year based on talent as well. They've got a good roster, but been dealing with injuries.

St. John's, Villanova, Seton Hall, and Creighton have all underachieved thus far based on pre-season projections
Providence, UConn, and Marquette have overachieved
Xavier, Butler, DePaul, and Georgetown are pretty much playing as expected

 

[NCJohnnie]

Seton Hall this year was projected by most experts to be a tournament team at the beginning of the season. They've underachieved this year based on talent as well. They've got a good roster, but been dealing with injuries.

St. John's, Villanova, Seton Hall, and Creighton have all underachieved thus far based on pre-season projections
Providence, UConn, and Marquette have overachieved
Xavier, Butler, DePaul, and Georgetown are pretty much playing as expected

Yup, although Seton Hall about where expected. Here is Coach's Big East Preaseason Poll

Creighton Chosen For First Place In Preseason Coaches’ Poll

For the first time as a member of the BIG EAST, Creighton has been tabbed to finish first in the 2022-23 BIG EAST Preseason Coaches’ Poll. The Bluejays collected eight first-place votes and earned 98 points in the poll. Xavier was placed second in the poll with 86 points, including two...

www.bigeast.com