Butler, Thur. Dec. 29, 7pm, FS1/970AM

Two free tix to any redmen.com poster who wants them. Just send me a PM and email, so I can email them. Thnx.
 
Butler perhaps more than any other team in league looks to capitalize on mistakes. They run their stuff patiently and wait for breakdowns, especially late in shot clock. Hoops version of volleying and waiting for unforced errors as opposed to hitting winners. Key is not overcompensating and committing to basics yourself, as the return on gambles is lower v. them than most.

One particularly frustrating game at Carnesecca 2 years ago we went for steals constantly on Alex Barlow 30+ feet from the hoop when possibly every player on our roster could have just stayed in front of him. Played right into his and Butler's hands as he made us pay routinely for reaching and taking bad angles, and turned the ball over 1 time in 38 minutes.

Defend for 30 seconds every possession, 5 guys rebound on defense, hope their guards can't stay in front of ours on the other end and we make shots.
 
Butler perhaps more than any other team in league looks to capitalize on mistakes. They run their stuff patiently and wait for breakdowns, especially late in shot clock. Hoops version of volleying and waiting for unforced errors as opposed to hitting winners. Key is not overcompensating and committing to basics yourself, as the return on gambles is lower v. them than most.

One particularly frustrating game at Carnesecca 2 years ago we went for steals constantly on Alex Barlow 30+ feet from the hoop when possibly every player on our roster could have just stayed in front of him. Played right into his and Butler's hands as he made us pay routinely for reaching and taking bad angles, and turned the ball over 1 time in 38 minutes.

Defend for 30 seconds every possession, 5 guys rebound on defense, hope their guards can't stay in front of ours on the other end and we make shots.
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I remember that game. Good crowd poised to get rowdy, but we never got it done.
 
Butler perhaps more than any other team in league looks to capitalize on mistakes. They run their stuff patiently and wait for breakdowns, especially late in shot clock. Hoops version of volleying and waiting for unforced errors as opposed to hitting winners. Key is not overcompensating and committing to basics yourself, as the return on gambles is lower v. them than most.

One particularly frustrating game at Carnesecca 2 years ago we went for steals constantly on Alex Barlow 30+ feet from the hoop when possibly every player on our roster could have just stayed in front of him. Played right into his and Butler's hands as he made us pay routinely for reaching and taking bad angles, and turned the ball over 1 time in 38 minutes.

Defend for 30 seconds every possession, 5 guys rebound on defense, hope their guards can't stay in front of ours on the other end and we make shots.
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Agree - this is why Butler and Creighton have been bad matchups for us for years. They play good fundamental textbook basketball, run nice motion offenses for the bulk of the shot clock, and make you play sound defense for the whole time. If you make a mistake, they find the cutter or swing the ball for the open 3. And on the other end, they play good defense.

Meanwhile, our teams for years now have been clueless about fundamental basketball; we rely on physical skills to win out. That doesn't work unless your players are so much better than theirs that it evens out, which hasn't been the case since ... never.

We have a puncher's chance in any game if the great college basketball equalizer known as the 3 point shot is falling, but this game smells like Butler by 16 to me. I just hope we learn something from it about playing defense for 30 seconds and being patient and sharing the ball on offense.
 
One free ticket for the game. Send me a PM if interested.
 
Butler perhaps more than any other team in league looks to capitalize on mistakes. They run their stuff patiently and wait for breakdowns, especially late in shot clock. Hoops version of volleying and waiting for unforced errors as opposed to hitting winners. Key is not overcompensating and committing to basics yourself, as the return on gambles is lower v. them than most.

One particularly frustrating game at Carnesecca 2 years ago we went for steals constantly on Alex Barlow 30+ feet from the hoop when possibly every player on our roster could have just stayed in front of him. Played right into his and Butler's hands as he made us pay routinely for reaching and taking bad angles, and turned the ball over 1 time in 38 minutes.

Defend for 30 seconds every possession, 5 guys rebound on defense, hope their guards can't stay in front of ours on the other end and we make shots.
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Agree - this is why Butler and Creighton have been bad matchups for us for years. They play good fundamental textbook basketball, run nice motion offenses for the bulk of the shot clock, and make you play sound defense for the whole time. If you make a mistake, they find the cutter or swing the ball for the open 3. And on the other end, they play good defense.

Meanwhile, our teams for years now have been clueless about fundamental basketball; we rely on physical skills to win out. That doesn't work unless your players are so much better than theirs that it evens out, which hasn't been the case since ... never.

We have a puncher's chance in any game if the great college basketball equalizer known as the 3 point shot is falling, but this game smells like Butler by 16 to me. I just hope we learn something from it about playing defense for 30 seconds and being patient and sharing the ball on offense.
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When we had talent like Sampson, Pointer and Harrison all playing well together, our athleticism could best teams like Creighton. But there was zero margin for error.
 
Butler perhaps more than any other team in league looks to capitalize on mistakes. They run their stuff patiently and wait for breakdowns, especially late in shot clock. Hoops version of volleying and waiting for unforced errors as opposed to hitting winners. Key is not overcompensating and committing to basics yourself, as the return on gambles is lower v. them than most.

One particularly frustrating game at Carnesecca 2 years ago we went for steals constantly on Alex Barlow 30+ feet from the hoop when possibly every player on our roster could have just stayed in front of him. Played right into his and Butler's hands as he made us pay routinely for reaching and taking bad angles, and turned the ball over 1 time in 38 minutes.

Defend for 30 seconds every possession, 5 guys rebound on defense, hope their guards can't stay in front of ours on the other end and we make shots.
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Agree - this is why Butler and Creighton have been bad matchups for us for years. They play good fundamental textbook basketball, run nice motion offenses for the bulk of the shot clock, and make you play sound defense for the whole time. If you make a mistake, they find the cutter or swing the ball for the open 3. And on the other end, they play good defense.

Meanwhile, our teams for years now have been clueless about fundamental basketball; we rely on physical skills to win out. That doesn't work unless your players are so much better than theirs that it evens out, which hasn't been the case since ... never.

We have a puncher's chance in any game if the great college basketball equalizer known as the 3 point shot is falling, but this game smells like Butler by 16 to me. I just hope we learn something from it about playing defense for 30 seconds and being patient and sharing the ball on offense.
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Butler is so good at working the ball patiently & concentrating on defense for long periods of time is not a strength of SJU as noted. Yeah, puncher's chance is quite fair. I still cringe thinking of staff's NBA notion in preseason of taking first good shot, neglecting the need to make that extra pass and make opponent work on defense.
 
Butler perhaps more than any other team in league looks to capitalize on mistakes. They run their stuff patiently and wait for breakdowns, especially late in shot clock. Hoops version of volleying and waiting for unforced errors as opposed to hitting winners. Key is not overcompensating and committing to basics yourself, as the return on gambles is lower v. them than most.

One particularly frustrating game at Carnesecca 2 years ago we went for steals constantly on Alex Barlow 30+ feet from the hoop when possibly every player on our roster could have just stayed in front of him. Played right into his and Butler's hands as he made us pay routinely for reaching and taking bad angles, and turned the ball over 1 time in 38 minutes.

Defend for 30 seconds every possession, 5 guys rebound on defense, hope their guards can't stay in front of ours on the other end and we make shots.
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Agree - this is why Butler and Creighton have been bad matchups for us for years. They play good fundamental textbook basketball, run nice motion offenses for the bulk of the shot clock, and make you play sound defense for the whole time. If you make a mistake, they find the cutter or swing the ball for the open 3. And on the other end, they play good defense.

Meanwhile, our teams for years now have been clueless about fundamental basketball; we rely on physical skills to win out. That doesn't work unless your players are so much better than theirs that it evens out, which hasn't been the case since ... never.

We have a puncher's chance in any game if the great college basketball equalizer known as the 3 point shot is falling, but this game smells like Butler by 16 to me. I just hope we learn something from it about playing defense for 30 seconds and being patient and sharing the ball on offense.
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I don't think we have the patience and poise to consistently play 30 seconds on D
Butler is a fundamentally sound team, we are not
Typically, that should work in their favor
But I do agree that we have a "puncher's" shot at this one - need to "rain" 3's in CA
Bring your umbrellas!!
 
I can't see two straight games with the threes dropping. I'm expecting a bounce here. Plus they'll be looking ahead to the big game against DePaul.

Hope I'm wrong.
 
Butler perhaps more than any other team in league looks to capitalize on mistakes. They run their stuff patiently and wait for breakdowns, especially late in shot clock. Hoops version of volleying and waiting for unforced errors as opposed to hitting winners. Key is not overcompensating and committing to basics yourself, as the return on gambles is lower v. them than most.

One particularly frustrating game at Carnesecca 2 years ago we went for steals constantly on Alex Barlow 30+ feet from the hoop when possibly every player on our roster could have just stayed in front of him. Played right into his and Butler's hands as he made us pay routinely for reaching and taking bad angles, and turned the ball over 1 time in 38 minutes.

Defend for 30 seconds every possession, 5 guys rebound on defense, hope their guards can't stay in front of ours on the other end and we make shots.
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Agree - this is why Butler and Creighton have been bad matchups for us for years. They play good fundamental textbook basketball, run nice motion offenses for the bulk of the shot clock, and make you play sound defense for the whole time. If you make a mistake, they find the cutter or swing the ball for the open 3. And on the other end, they play good defense.

Meanwhile, our teams for years now have been clueless about fundamental basketball; we rely on physical skills to win out. That doesn't work unless your players are so much better than theirs that it evens out, which hasn't been the case since ... never.

We have a puncher's chance in any game if the great college basketball equalizer known as the 3 point shot is falling, but this game smells like Butler by 16 to me. I just hope we learn something from it about playing defense for 30 seconds and being patient and sharing the ball on offense.
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Butler is so good at working the ball patiently & concentrating on defense for long periods of time is not a strength of SJU as noted. Yeah, puncher's chance is quite fair. I still cringe thinking of staff's NBA notion in preseason of taking first good shot, neglecting the need to make that extra pass and make opponent work on defense.
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Also have challenge tonight of likely needing to play at two distinct speeds in order to win: grind it out on defensive end and then push tempo when we have the ball. Not easy for experienced team, let alone our young one.

Tricky game tonight, probably not a particularly high % one for all of the reasons mentioned, but one if things fall right we might be able to get done. Despite how clearly quality Butler is, probably like this one, at home, the best of the 8 total v. Nova/Creighton/Xavier/Butler. Know that's not saying much, but (1) game at Carnesecca, and (2) the one thing I would say for Butler's part, which is that they are likely not looking forward to chasing Lovett and Ponds around (especially if both are on), probably makes that true.
 
Before the games were played, we were banking on Del State and LIU as easy W's, and Cuse as a surefire loss. I've learned to no longer prognosticate, just kick back and hope for the best.
 
St. John's forward Amar Alibegovic (knee) will be a game-time decision tomorrow, I'm told. Has returned to practice. #sjubb
Zach B
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He should always be a game time decision.
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This is completely unnecessary. Try and show a little class.
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Lighten up, just another way of saying he deserves less playing time if he continues to hoist up 3s while hitting them at a 17% clip. That is what is completely unnecessary.
 
Before the games were played, we were banking on Del State and LIU as easy W's, and Cuse as a surefire loss. I've learned to no longer prognosticate, just kick back and hope for the best.
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As a St. John's fan you need to be pessimistically optimistic. Let's face it, we lose big to teams we think we can beat, we beat teams we think will kill us. Even when we win the next day is followed up by talk of transfers and how next year will be just as bad as this year. Almost any negative story on our team comes true. Yet, we still somehow come back and believe tonight will be different.

I don't like the match-up tonight, Butler is a good, disciplined team. The kind of team that usually gives us fits. Somehow, I still think we have a chance. Now I know I am crazy.
 
St. John's forward Amar Alibegovic (knee) will be a game-time decision tomorrow, I'm told. Has returned to practice. #sjubb
Zach B
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If he has returned to practice then it means Darien Williams will injure his shoulder while Amar charges into him. :lol:
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Should be used as a last resort, like everyone in foul trouble. The kid can't get out of his way, trips over his own feet.
 
Mullin has to start Owens against centers such as, Chrabascz. He and most B.E. centers will eat up Yakwe. Have you seen Patton on Creighton play - forget about it!
 
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