@Butler, Sat. Jan. 27, 2:30pm, FS1/570AM

Thanks , Beastie. More of the more experienced posters on here need to refute a lot of the fake news BS coming out of the mouths of these whiners . I m glad you mentioned most Coaches don’t attend Alumni receptions before or after playing on game days . The Mullin bashing is gettimg like Schumer and Pelosi . It’s enough .
 
Parents of players in grammar schools , perhaps HS are all entitled to comment on their little Johnny or Little Tarik, as the case may be .. But, while Tarik has improved , shown nice shooting skills , etc . He is NOT a player most BE Coaches would want shooting 15 times a game . Tsrik’s Dad’s comments sound too much like the Little League Parent who can’t understand why the Coach isn’t giving his kid the Ball, the Bat in prime time . Tarik has done a nice job this year . Let’s not forecast him as the go to player , just yet . If ever . Dad’s at this level should be seen and not heard .
 
Whether you believe in Mullin or not, what should not be in dispute is that the staff laid an egg this season. What happened to the team was not as much bad luck as it was bad planning. The loss of Lovett, while a nice player, should not have sent the team from a NIT/borderline NCAA team to a possible ofer the conference schedule. Hard to say what the staff was thinking.
 
Any fan watching our games this year know Shamorie has taken a beating physically and mentally . His game is largely go to the hoop , draw fouls , make nearly 90 percent from the line , get into the lane , stop and put up the mid range jumpers and once in a while , step outside and drill the NBA 3 ! He has been asked to be Marcus Ponds since December , filling both roles ! All this with Teams putting their best and always bigger defender on Shamorie plus often double teaming him ! He’s beat .. I also think he is playing hurt .., much more so than has been publicly presented . To me , Shamorie has the heart of a Lion . 37 against the Number 1 team in the Country , 33 against G Town . Props to this favorite son of NYC and BKLYN !
 
Whether you believe in Mullin or not, what should not be in dispute is that the staff laid an egg this season. What happened to the team was not as much bad luck as it was bad planning. The loss of Lovett, while a nice player, should not have sent the team from a NIT/borderline NCAA team to a possible ofer the conference schedule. Hard to say what the staff was thinking, other than to hope no one got hurt. Not the way to run a program.
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How do you plan on:
1) Sid Wilson leaving after 1 day on campus
2) Zach Brown getting arrested
3) Sima leaving abruptly
4) Williams getting meaningful minutes for first time in 3 years, then transferring
5) Mussina departing because Simon coming in and he'd be 4th guard
6) Ellison departing because of Clark and Simon, and at best 7th-9th man depending who stays
7) Lovett getting injured?

That's a lot for any program to sustain in 12 months that is trying to build a roster with depth. All you can do is reset, keep recruiting, and not look back.

For the record, Mullin, unlike Lavin and Roberts, does not make excuses. HE tells the kids that injuries are part of the game, not misfortine, and they have to pick up the slack.


 
The loss of LoVett and his fifteen points and thirty minutes a game has destroyed SJU's big east season. It resulted in:
1 More minutes for Ponds, Simon and Owens which has tired them out by the end of games and in Ponds case has put too much pressure on him to score
2 Depending on Trimble for minutes and scoring for which he was not ready
3 More minutes for Yawke and Ali than I'm sure Mullin intended
The big east is just too strong for a shortened roster like this.
 
Parents of players in grammar schools , perhaps HS are all entitled to comment on their little Johnny or Little Tarik, as the case may be .. But, while Tarik has improved , shown nice shooting skills , etc . He is NOT a player most BE Coaches would want shooting 15 times a game . Tsrik’s Dad’s comments sound too much like the Little League Parent who can’t understand why the Coach isn’t giving his kid the Ball, the Bat in prime time . Tarik has done a nice job this year . Let’s not forecast him as the go to player , just yet . If ever . Dad’s at this level should be seen and not heard .
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I agree. His dad is not helping the situation at all. Publicly advocating that his son get the ball is ridiculous. Does he think there will be a groundswell of support for that? Owens basically is a very poor offensive post player with almost zero moves, and cannot put the ball on the floor. IF he wants to be a 6'10" small forward on offense, it's not going to get him very far. He will not, and should not be a focal point of the offense, but has been a nice surprise as a 4th or 5th option that scores points.

This gives you an idea of what college staffs have to put up with today. Parents that take to social media. It's funny, but without a depleted roster and transfers, Owens would get far less minutes and far less scoring opportunities. Parents are just crazy.
 
Whether you believe in Mullin or not, what should not be in dispute is that the staff laid an egg this season. What happened to the team was not as much bad luck as it was bad planning. The loss of Lovett, while a nice player, should not have sent the team from a NIT/borderline NCAA team to a possible ofer the conference schedule. Hard to say what the staff was thinking, other than to hope no one got hurt. Not the way to run a program.
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How do you plan on:
1) Sid Wilson leaving after 1 day on campus
2) Zach Brown getting arrested
3) Sima leaving abruptly
4) Williams getting meaningful minutes for first time in 3 years, then transferring
5) Mussina departing because Simon coming in and he'd be 4th guard
6) Ellison departing because of Clark and Simon, and at best 7th-9th man depending who stays
7) Lovett getting injured?

That's a lot for any program to sustain in 12 months that is trying to build a roster with depth. All you can do is reset, keep recruiting, and not look back.

For the record, Mullin, unlike Lavin and Roberts, does not make excuses. HE tells the kids that injuries are part of the game, not misfortine, and they have to pick up the slack.
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Either you choose to believe that we, of all the 350 or so division 1 schools, are the most unlucky, or you don't. Sima left over a year ago. Mussini was likely going anyway. Zach Brown getting in trouble, with his past, a surprise? Really? The entire board skewered Ellison game after game, and suddenly there are posters that decry the staff's inability to keep him on board? Who knows what Wilson would have contributed. I like Mullin. I think he needs more time. But the staff could have done a better job having a full, and more balanced roster.
 
Whether you believe in Mullin or not, what should not be in dispute is that the staff laid an egg this season. What happened to the team was not as much bad luck as it was bad planning. The loss of Lovett, while a nice player, should not have sent the team from a NIT/borderline NCAA team to a possible ofer the conference schedule. Hard to say what the staff was thinking, other than to hope no one got hurt. Not the way to run a program.
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How do you plan on:
1) Sid Wilson leaving after 1 day on campus
2) Zach Brown getting arrested
3) Sima leaving abruptly
4) Williams getting meaningful minutes for first time in 3 years, then transferring
5) Mussina departing because Simon coming in and he'd be 4th guard
6) Ellison departing because of Clark and Simon, and at best 7th-9th man depending who stays
7) Lovett getting injured?

That's a lot for any program to sustain in 12 months that is trying to build a roster with depth. All you can do is reset, keep recruiting, and not look back.

For the record, Mullin, unlike Lavin and Roberts, does not make excuses. HE tells the kids that injuries are part of the game, not misfortine, and they have to pick up the slack.
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Either you choose to believe that we, of all the 350 or so division 1 schools, are the most unlucky, or you don't. Sima left over a year ago. Mussini was likely going anyway. Zach Brown getting in trouble, with his past, a surprise? Really? The entire board skewered Ellison game after game, and suddenly there are posters that decry the staff's inability to keep him on board? Who knows what Wilson would have contributed. I like Mullin. I think he needs more time. But the staff could have done a better job having a full, and more balanced roster.
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Under Mullin, did we start with near zero?
Could a team trying to build depth and talent sustain 7 player losses (including Freudenberg)?
 
Imagine how it will feel when we become a top 10 team or better, recruiting great players yr after yr .What a thrill it will be for long time fans that have waited
 
Whether you believe in Mullin or not, what should not be in dispute is that the staff laid an egg this season. What happened to the team was not as much bad luck as it was bad planning. The loss of Lovett, while a nice player, should not have sent the team from a NIT/borderline NCAA team to a possible ofer the conference schedule. Hard to say what the staff was thinking, other than to hope no one got hurt. Not the way to run a program.
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How do you plan on:
1) Sid Wilson leaving after 1 day on campus
2) Zach Brown getting arrested
3) Sima leaving abruptly
4) Williams getting meaningful minutes for first time in 3 years, then transferring
5) Mussina departing because Simon coming in and he'd be 4th guard
6) Ellison departing because of Clark and Simon, and at best 7th-9th man depending who stays
7) Lovett getting injured?

That's a lot for any program to sustain in 12 months that is trying to build a roster with depth. All you can do is reset, keep recruiting, and not look back.

For the record, Mullin, unlike Lavin and Roberts, does not make excuses. HE tells the kids that injuries are part of the game, not misfortine, and they have to pick up the slack.
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Either you choose to believe that we, of all the 350 or so division 1 schools, are the most unlucky, or you don't. Sima left over a year ago. Mussini was likely going anyway. Zach Brown getting in trouble, with his past, a surprise? Really? The entire board skewered Ellison game after game, and suddenly there are posters that decry the staff's inability to keep him on board? Who knows what Wilson would have contributed. I like Mullin. I think he needs more time. But the staff could have done a better job having a full, and more balanced roster.
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I have stated in past posts that what has happened this season is the perfect storm to capsize a team. Ergo, most of what Beast is saying is true. However, some things are not so accurate. Zach Brown was a gamble from day one. Very poor evaluation of the total picture with Zach. Matt takes a hit on that fumble. Sid Wilson attended a full cycle of summer classes and informal scrimmages. He was not on campus one day. We were never high on his radar or more likely his handler so Matt should have known better. Matt gets a penalty here. Mussini was never returning so everyone just stop bringing up his name. The German kid was a Euro flash that we hardly scouted. The entire staff takes a hit with him. In short, recruiting has been as average and rushed as Lavin's. The transfer route also speaks to desperation recruiting for a staff not well perceived by prep ballers. Until this staff shows it can develop just one player that image will be hard to overcome.
I've always said recruiting is 80% of the game. This staff, with just Matt Abdelmassih doing is little thing, is always going to be unbalanced. That's what Slice was supposed to provide. The record shows we are providing Slice with a half million $$ to do absolutely nothing. That scenario smells of mismanagement.
 
Whether you believe in Mullin or not, what should not be in dispute is that the staff laid an egg this season. What happened to the team was not as much bad luck as it was bad planning. The loss of Lovett, while a nice player, should not have sent the team from a NIT/borderline NCAA team to a possible ofer the conference schedule. Hard to say what the staff was thinking, other than to hope no one got hurt. Not the way to run a program.
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How do you plan on:
1) Sid Wilson leaving after 1 day on campus
2) Zach Brown getting arrested
3) Sima leaving abruptly
4) Williams getting meaningful minutes for first time in 3 years, then transferring
5) Mussina departing because Simon coming in and he'd be 4th guard
6) Ellison departing because of Clark and Simon, and at best 7th-9th man depending who stays
7) Lovett getting injured?

That's a lot for any program to sustain in 12 months that is trying to build a roster with depth. All you can do is reset, keep recruiting, and not look back.

For the record, Mullin, unlike Lavin and Roberts, does not make excuses. HE tells the kids that injuries are part of the game, not misfortine, and they have to pick up the slack.
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Either you choose to believe that we, of all the 350 or so division 1 schools, are the most unlucky, or you don't. Sima left over a year ago. Mussini was likely going anyway. Zach Brown getting in trouble, with his past, a surprise? Really? The entire board skewered Ellison game after game, and suddenly there are posters that decry the staff's inability to keep him on board? Who knows what Wilson would have contributed. I like Mullin. I think he needs more time. But the staff could have done a better job having a full, and more balanced roster.
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Under Mullin, did we start with near zero?
Could a team trying to build depth and talent sustain 7 player losses (including Freudenberg)?
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1. Yes
2. If a team lost 7 players to the bubonic plague after the season started, then no. Absent that, staff has to figure out the lay of the land. Only a select few here have some access to the staff. Yet plenty of posters were anticipating that some or all of the "departing 7" were on their way out a long time ago. Mullin doesn't need anyone to defend him. Absent some unforeseen tragedy, he is responsible for the product on the floor. Sure, bad things happened, but how many 0 for 18s, which is not a stretch, has this conference ever seen? Staff has to own it.
 
Whether you believe in Mullin or not, what should not be in dispute is that the staff laid an egg this season. What happened to the team was not as much bad luck as it was bad planning. The loss of Lovett, while a nice player, should not have sent the team from a NIT/borderline NCAA team to a possible ofer the conference schedule. Hard to say what the staff was thinking, other than to hope no one got hurt. Not the way to run a program.
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How do you plan on:
1) Sid Wilson leaving after 1 day on campus
2) Zach Brown getting arrested
3) Sima leaving abruptly
4) Williams getting meaningful minutes for first time in 3 years, then transferring
5) Mussina departing because Simon coming in and he'd be 4th guard
6) Ellison departing because of Clark and Simon, and at best 7th-9th man depending who stays
7) Lovett getting injured?

That's a lot for any program to sustain in 12 months that is trying to build a roster with depth. All you can do is reset, keep recruiting, and not look back.

For the record, Mullin, unlike Lavin and Roberts, does not make excuses. HE tells the kids that injuries are part of the game, not misfortine, and they have to pick up the slack.
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Either you choose to believe that we, of all the 350 or so division 1 schools, are the most unlucky, or you don't. Sima left over a year ago. Mussini was likely going anyway. Zach Brown getting in trouble, with his past, a surprise? Really? The entire board skewered Ellison game after game, and suddenly there are posters that decry the staff's inability to keep him on board? Who knows what Wilson would have contributed. I like Mullin. I think he needs more time. But the staff could have done a better job having a full, and more balanced roster.
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Under Mullin, did we start with near zero?
Could a team trying to build depth and talent sustain 7 player losses (including Freudenberg)?
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1. Yes
2. If a team lost 7 players to the bubonic plague after the season started, then no. Absent that, staff has to figure out the lay of the land. Only a select few here have some access to the staff. Yet plenty of posters were anticipating that some or all of the "departing 7" were on their way out a long time ago. Mullin doesn't need anyone to defend him. Absent some unforeseen tragedy, he is responsible for the product on the floor. Sure, bad things happened, but how many 0 for 18s, which is not a stretch, has this conference ever seen? Staff has to own it.
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Marshall University made a quicker comeback from a plane crash!;)
Penn State made a quicker comeback from every athlete transferring out.
At St. John's we hire an apprentice carpenter to build Rome in a day. That carpenter fires his assistant carpenter but keeps paying him. Gives the junior carpenter a raise and now the junior carpenter is looking for a job in Lilliput where short people don't get harassed by St. John's sociopaths.
We are...........
 
I agree Chicago days . It is unbelievable that so many posters here are actually showing such deep rooted hate for Chris Mullin , the greatest player in the history of the school and a John Wooden Award winner plus Dream Teamer, 1984 and 1992 and HOF player . Perhaps it is reflective of our Society that so many people just love to complain about everything ., not just Basketball . Many of the most negative posters are , no pun intended, Johnny come latelies . And , with all due respect to the Eagles .. Another segment of the most outrageous Negative comments come from some who touted the hiring of Mullin as the best news in 20years or since FH single handedly destroyed our Program . Amazing how many here have so violently turned in a Season that has disappointed us all but, that has valid reasons for its rapid decline . But, so many here , don’t want to evaluate the losses in a proper context . It doesn’t take a Rocket scientist to connect the dots as to the fall off the cliff that has happened . Lovett , a proven 14 ppg Scorer and pre season BE second teamer , stopped playing in early December . Do we really know why he quit , except for a Injury that the team’s Medical staff proclaimed as day to day and presumably , would heal in a reasonable time ? Most Astute basketball analysts , including 1 BE Coach , have been quoted as saying St John’s built this Years team on a 3 Guard Offense . Ponds, Lovett and Simon. Ponds and Lovett being counted on for 40 or more points a game as a duo . Simon capable of , perhaps 10 more a game as a combo guard . Over the summer, in pre season practice and in non conference games, where we were 10-2 and competitive, these 3 were the core of the team strategy and it worked ! Lovett’s injury threw the whole 3 Guard System out the window . Owens became a starter , not the catalyst off the bench , a role he was well suited for . Simon , not the offensive player that Lovett was , was forced out of his role into becoming a scoring threat he is not naturally suited for . He is a slasher , get to the Rim , lock down defender but, a less than average shooter , below average free throw shooter and not meant to be the focus of our offense . All that changed with Lovett out . Ponds too, has been taken out of his role as a tandem with Lovett, whereby he was now thrust into being our main go to offensive player . A Coaching move that Mullin had no choice into assigning him. But, in doing so , it allowed BE opponents to assign their best defender to Ponds . Players like Martin , Baldwin, Bridges, etc who are a lot bigger , stronger and who often got double team help in trying to shut down Shamorie . Much of Ponds game is drive to the hoop , draw fouls , stop for the pull up jumper and shoot the long range 3 . Without Lovett to defend , Ponds has had to try and be 2 players and it has taken its toll on him , physically and mentally too . To me , he looks like he is playing hurt and has been for some time . It has adversely affected his results and , as a result the team. How come the Arm
Chair Coaches don’t see this ? It is so easily seen . Instead , it is all Mullin ‘s fault ! Mullin did this but, didn’t do that ! How come we can’t beat these deeper and often better balanced BE teams with a depleted roster . It must be that Mullin can’t come up with the additional 14 points a game we lost when Lovett went down . How awful Mullin is for not Coaching Clark into being a better rebounder , go to the Rim inside player and a better defender of opponents inside players ? I guess the dissenters think Mullin should be able to make Clark into the type player that Izzo couldn’t do ? ??. Ahmed , is the same type but, less effective player than he was last year . Owens ? Nice offensive game , good shooter from15 feet , blocks shots well but, fouls a lot and now thinks he should be the focal point of the offense from 3 point range ? Plus , he can’t defend most other BE Post players who are stronger and tougher . So, those of you who have quit on Mullin, on this team and the school , continue your non stop BS about parts of the game you don’t understand and wail like the cry babies you have turned into .. oh, and for those intent on allocating Mullin’s first year 1-17 BE Record as being his responsibility , consider this .. Chis wasn’t named Coach until near April, well after the recruiting period . He was lucky to be able to even field a roster after what Lavin left him , which was nothing ! So , to be fair, you can’t throw that Years Record on Chris ... Unless you are among the Prime Time whiners . Lastly , would Villanova be 20-1 without Brunson ? How about Xavier without Machura ? Or , Providence without Bullock? Marquette without Howard ? Butler without Martin ? Seton hall without Carrington ? Think about it !
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Oh my! :)


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His paragraph usage (or, lack of) goes hand-to-hand with what he views as logic and facts.... BS!
 
Whether you believe in Mullin or not, what should not be in dispute is that the staff laid an egg this season. What happened to the team was not as much bad luck as it was bad planning. The loss of Lovett, while a nice player, should not have sent the team from a NIT/borderline NCAA team to a possible ofer the conference schedule. Hard to say what the staff was thinking, other than to hope no one got hurt. Not the way to run a program.
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How do you plan on:
1) Sid Wilson leaving after 1 day on campus
2) Zach Brown getting arrested
3) Sima leaving abruptly
4) Williams getting meaningful minutes for first time in 3 years, then transferring
5) Mussina departing because Simon coming in and he'd be 4th guard
6) Ellison departing because of Clark and Simon, and at best 7th-9th man depending who stays
7) Lovett getting injured?

That's a lot for any program to sustain in 12 months that is trying to build a roster with depth. All you can do is reset, keep recruiting, and not look back.

For the record, Mullin, unlike Lavin and Roberts, does not make excuses. HE tells the kids that injuries are part of the game, not misfortine, and they have to pick up the slack.
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Either you choose to believe that we, of all the 350 or so division 1 schools, are the most unlucky, or you don't. Sima left over a year ago. Mussini was likely going anyway. Zach Brown getting in trouble, with his past, a surprise? Really? The entire board skewered Ellison game after game, and suddenly there are posters that decry the staff's inability to keep him on board? Who knows what Wilson would have contributed. I like Mullin. I think he needs more time. But the staff could have done a better job having a full, and more balanced roster.
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Under Mullin, did we start with near zero?
Could a team trying to build depth and talent sustain 7 player losses (including Freudenberg)?
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1. Yes
2. If a team lost 7 players to the bubonic plague after the season started, then no. Absent that, staff has to figure out the lay of the land. Only a select few here have some access to the staff. Yet plenty of posters were anticipating that some or all of the "departing 7" were on their way out a long time ago. Mullin doesn't need anyone to defend him. Absent some unforeseen tragedy, he is responsible for the product on the floor. Sure, bad things happened, but how many 0 for 18s, which is not a stretch, has this conference ever seen? Staff has to own it.
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Marshall University made a quicker comeback from a plane crash!;)
Penn State made a quicker comeback from every athlete transferring out.
At St. John's we hire an apprentice carpenter to build Rome in a day. That carpenter fires his assistant carpenter but keeps paying him. Gives the junior carpenter a raise and now the junior carpenter is looking for a job in Lilliput where short people don't get harassed by St. John's sociopaths.
We are...........
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I'll preface my post by saying that I am 5'11 and generally have a good sense of humor. '72, although I don't agree with all your posts, you seem to be an intelligent guy. I'm not sure why you have to constantly make fun of Matt's height. It's mean-spirited, not funny, and ads nothing to the substance of the discussion. I dislike posters who are "holier than thou" types, but it would be great if we could all avoid resorting to those types of attacks/jokes.
 
The Mullin era is a work in progress and can not be judged fully until we have time and perspective.

There are clearly reasons why the results have been poor so far. Starting with Chris coming in April of 2015 with no real roster and not any significant time to recruit quality players, trying to build a roster from scratch, subsequent defections, transfers, injuries etc. There are reasons why at this moment in time the results look bad.

That said you can"t ignore the results entirely and question if coaching acumen plays a factor here. During Norm's tenure many questioned his coaching acumen, while others said it was the talent base that was at fault. When Lavin came in and won with Norm's players and took them to the tournament that was probably the greatest indictment of Robert's coaching acumen.

Is jay Wright 0 and 10 with this roster? I don't know the answer to that, but I do know coaching matters, as does talent. No coach wins without some talent, but I reject the idea that there is no talent on this roster. Of all the major conference teams, we are the only team besides Pittsburgh without a conference win. Is that all on the talent? I have seen enough flashes of talent here to think we are better talent wise than our 0 and 10 record indicates.

On November 16th at Carnesecca Arena we played Nebraska from the Big Ten conference. In that game it seemed clear we were faster, stronger, more athletic, better shooters, better defenders and in a different league than they were. We totally dominted and overwhelmed them. If anyone in the arena that night would have been asked which team would have been 7 and 4 in conference and which team would have been 0 and 10 in conference on January 29th practically no one (except maybe the Nebraska coaches) would have said St. John's would have been the team sitting at 0 and 10.

Of course noone on November 16th would have known that Lovett was going to be injured and out for the season and that Ponds would be playing hurt. Even then, with the roster so thin, you knew that given those two facts that it almost certainly would implode the season.

The thin roster though was not an unknown fact to anyone going into the season. It was surprising to me that there wasn't a player that could have been added to the roster that would have helped us to offset that deficit. When I look at senior bigmen transfers like DePaul's Marin Maric or Xavier's Kerem Kanter it makes me wonder how different our season might have been with someone like either of those two bigmen on our roster. It makes me think that maybe we missed the boat in constructing this year's roster.

I am not trying to criticize Chris Mullin here. He is a basketball savant compared to amatuer fans like myself. That said It is just hard to know what it takes to be a great head coach and since he hasn't coached before all you can really go on from a fan standpoint are wins and losses. In that context his coaching career can not be viewed as successful. Hopefully next year will be the turnaround year. I like the players scheduled to come back and hope that he keeps them in the fold and that the new players that get added turn us into a team of consequence again.



 
Even though it is ONE paragraph
I like what you say SlyFOxx1968
and those of a similar mind

I think we "should" cut and paste these posts and
in a year reflect back
some of us will be "wrong"
others "right"
many in between

the battle line have been drawn lol

I for one- as I posted on patience - think we all need to chill, be angry, disappointed if we must...
and disagreeable as we already are

but fall back on the slogan "wait til next year"
old news I know - and I like others repeat myself
but CM inherited nothingness, thin air, a Class A very minor league program
April 2015

I say by February 2019 we will have the true pulse of the program
sans excuses and explanations
February 2019
not before
all the best
 
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