Butler Game
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Moose, you would have had 7 rebounds last night, and that's without getting out of your seat.
Sanchez was particularly out of control last night. It looked like he spent the summer at Sean Evan's basketball camp. I don't know what was scarier, him dribbling length of court out of control, or driving into a crowd down the lane - either way, the likelihood of losing the ball was high.
Sampson took full advantage and had his way down low - kind of like the end of the Civil War when Union troops crushed the Confederacy.
Nice to see Branch back - he looked rusty.
Harrison played a C to C minus game - early on he was launching without being patient.
Jordan for his part wasn't electric, but was very patient taking what was given to him. He is becoming more confident directing the offense. The pass that went right through Sanchez' legs was a very good entry pass. Had he thrown it one foot higher, Sanchez would still have missed but be singing Frankie Valli songs today.
Hooper nailed a very nice meaningful side step to free himself 3-pointer. I think it was SJU1512 who thought Hooper would get minutes and he did - good call. Nice to see Marco nail is trey, and a little sad to see him relegated to end of the bench fans pleading for him in a blowout situation.
Phil Greene is master of the 5 second possession long three when you are trying to extend your lead in a close game.
GG did okay.
I have to look at the boxscore to figure this out. This wasn't the same Butler team that took 6 teams to OT and has been a very tough out. Usually you say, were they that bad, or were we that good. I would say they were that bad.
It a critical W, and a convincing score, but we'd better bring the A game Saturday because last night's performance won't cut it, IMO.
Wasn't me on the Hooper call Beast, though I did think Lavin's usage of him in the first half was on point. We were flat, he knew he needed to give Harrison a breather after playing 40 just 48 hours earlier, and Hooper can be a nice change of pace player for a few minutes in a situation like that.
I would not be surprised if Sanchez's largely out of control performance was Lav telling him to be extra-aggressive, which fundamentally I don't have a problem with - we need him to give us a boost with CO out. But for all of the talk of Sanchez's skillset at his size, he is not a very cerebral player. One of the benefits of being at the game is that you can focus on what you want and not what the camera shows you, and if you watch Sanchez he misses a lot of assignments defensively and on the glass, or at least he did last night. I love what he brings offensively at times and his overall ability to be invovled in the rebouding game, but we need him to tighten this up this week in practice because Pinkston and Ochefu are going to take far more advantage of it than Butler was able to.
I really liked Lavin starting Gift instead of Sanchez. Not because Sanchez doesn't deserve the nod (on talent he does), but we finally have a rotation with roles. Gift as a placeholder for CO disturbs that far less than bumping Sanchez into the starting lineup and restructuring things from there, and then having to do so again when CO returns. Sanchez off the bench is a serious asset and it's smart to allow him to continue to focus on that.
Sampson has gone back to being the force he was for most of last year during these last 10 games. During the last 5 in particular he has been a man possessed. He rips 2-3 rebounds per game that are just vicious, nobody getting the ball besides him when he goes after it like that.
Overall the first half was a classic hangover, and - how bad Butler played notwithstanding - it was impressive how well we righted the ship in the 2nd. Completely put the first half behind us and were a new team. Great and much-needed win.
Moose
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In the first half Marshall was beasting over all of our guys. Gift who started, Karr who started and Sanchez off the bench. Adjustment was made and in the 2nd half we controlled the boards. So you're saying 12 boards are ok but you need to collect 18 for 18? I just find it a little amusing that after reading back the game thread this morning (which is pure comedy by the way and should be required reading for all those who post) Sanchez is sloppy sloppy sloppy and a disappointment and should never dribble etc..... But meanwhile Karr had more turnovers and there is no mention of that. Karr had a GREAT game offensively. No doubt about it. But reading back the thread the adjustment made to take Marshall and Butler as a whole off the boards was ignored. And 5-5 from the line is nothing to sneeze at and honestly Karr should get locked in the the gym with Sanchez to replicate that.
I'll stop now before I reach Carmine/Phil Greene levels with Orlando.
beast of the east
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Moose, you would have had 7 rebounds last night, and that's without getting out of your seat.
Sanchez was particularly out of control last night. It looked like he spent the summer at Sean Evan's basketball camp. I don't know what was scarier, him dribbling length of court out of control, or driving into a crowd down the lane - either way, the likelihood of losing the ball was high.
Sampson took full advantage and had his way down low - kind of like the end of the Civil War when Union troops crushed the Confederacy.
Nice to see Branch back - he looked rusty.
Harrison played a C to C minus game - early on he was launching without being patient.
Jordan for his part wasn't electric, but was very patient taking what was given to him. He is becoming more confident directing the offense. The pass that went right through Sanchez' legs was a very good entry pass. Had he thrown it one foot higher, Sanchez would still have missed but be singing Frankie Valli songs today.
Hooper nailed a very nice meaningful side step to free himself 3-pointer. I think it was SJU1512 who thought Hooper would get minutes and he did - good call. Nice to see Marco nail is trey, and a little sad to see him relegated to end of the bench fans pleading for him in a blowout situation.
Phil Greene is master of the 5 second possession long three when you are trying to extend your lead in a close game.
GG did okay.
I have to look at the boxscore to figure this out. This wasn't the same Butler team that took 6 teams to OT and has been a very tough out. Usually you say, were they that bad, or were we that good. I would say they were that bad.
It a critical W, and a convincing score, but we'd better bring the A game Saturday because last night's performance won't cut it, IMO.
Wasn't me on the Hooper call Beast, though I did think Lavin's usage of him in the first half was on point. We were flat, he knew he needed to give Harrison a breather after playing 40 just 48 hours earlier, and Hooper can be a nice change of pace player for a few minutes in a situation like that.
I would not be surprised if Sanchez's largely out of control performance was Lav telling him to be extra-aggressive, which fundamentally I don't have a problem with - we need him to give us a boost with CO out. But for all of the talk of Sanchez's skillset at his size, he is not a very cerebral player. One of the benefits of being at the game is that you can focus on what you want and not what the camera shows you, and if you watch Sanchez he misses a lot of assignments defensively and on the glass, or at least he did last night. I love what he brings offensively at times and his overall ability to be invovled in the rebouding game, but we need him to tighten this up this week in practice because Pinkston and Ochefu are going to take far more advantage of it than Butler was able to.
I really liked Lavin starting Gift instead of Sanchez. Not because Sanchez doesn't deserve the nod (on talent he does), but we finally have a rotation with roles. Gift as a placeholder for CO disturbs that far less than bumping Sanchez into the starting lineup and restructuring things from there, and then having to do so again when CO returns. Sanchez off the bench is a serious asset and it's smart to allow him to continue to focus on that.
Sampson has gone back to being the force he was for most of last year during these last 10 games. During the last 5 in particular he has been a man possessed. He rips 2-3 rebounds per game that are just vicious, nobody getting the ball besides him when he goes after it like that.
Overall the first half was a classic hangover, and - how bad Butler played notwithstanding - it was impressive how well we righted the ship in the 2nd. Completely put the first half behind us and were a new team. Great and much-needed win.
Really good post!
beast of the east
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That's good analysis. I loved seeing KB but was so distracted chatting with him for a good chunk of the half that I wasn't fixated the way I usually am. By the time he moved to chat with you and your guys the game was long over.
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Moose, you would have had 7 rebounds last night, and that's without getting out of your seat.
Sanchez was particularly out of control last night. It looked like he spent the summer at Sean Evan's basketball camp. I don't know what was scarier, him dribbling length of court out of control, or driving into a crowd down the lane - either way, the likelihood of losing the ball was high.
Sampson took full advantage and had his way down low - kind of like the end of the Civil War when Union troops crushed the Confederacy.
Nice to see Branch back - he looked rusty.
Harrison played a C to C minus game - early on he was launching without being patient.
Jordan for his part wasn't electric, but was very patient taking what was given to him. He is becoming more confident directing the offense. The pass that went right through Sanchez' legs was a very good entry pass. Had he thrown it one foot higher, Sanchez would still have missed but be singing Frankie Valli songs today.
Hooper nailed a very nice meaningful side step to free himself 3-pointer. I think it was SJU1512 who thought Hooper would get minutes and he did - good call. Nice to see Marco nail is trey, and a little sad to see him relegated to end of the bench fans pleading for him in a blowout situation.
Phil Greene is master of the 5 second possession long three when you are trying to extend your lead in a close game.
GG did okay.
I have to look at the boxscore to figure this out. This wasn't the same Butler team that took 6 teams to OT and has been a very tough out. Usually you say, were they that bad, or were we that good. I would say they were that bad.
It a critical W, and a convincing score, but we'd better bring the A game Saturday because last night's performance won't cut it, IMO.
Wasn't me on the Hooper call Beast, though I did think Lavin's usage of him in the first half was on point. We were flat, he knew he needed to give Harrison a breather after playing 40 just 48 hours earlier, and Hooper can be a nice change of pace player for a few minutes in a situation like that.
I would not be surprised if Sanchez's largely out of control performance was Lav telling him to be extra-aggressive, which fundamentally I don't have a problem with - we need him to give us a boost with CO out. But for all of the talk of Sanchez's skillset at his size, he is not a very cerebral player. One of the benefits of being at the game is that you can focus on what you want and not what the camera shows you, and if you watch Sanchez he misses a lot of assignments defensively and on the glass, or at least he did last night. I love what he brings offensively at times and his overall ability to be invovled in the rebouding game, but we need him to tighten this up this week in practice because Pinkston and Ochefu are going to take far more advantage of it than Butler was able to.
I really liked Lavin starting Gift instead of Sanchez. Not because Sanchez doesn't deserve the nod (on talent he does), but we finally have a rotation with roles. Gift as a placeholder for CO disturbs that far less than bumping Sanchez into the starting lineup and restructuring things from there, and then having to do so again when CO returns. Sanchez off the bench is a serious asset and it's smart to allow him to continue to focus on that.
Sampson has gone back to being the force he was for most of last year during these last 10 games. During the last 5 in particular he has been a man possessed. He rips 2-3 rebounds per game that are just vicious, nobody getting the ball besides him when he goes after it like that.
Overall the first half was a classic hangover, and - how bad Butler played notwithstanding - it was impressive how well we righted the ship in the 2nd. Completely put the first half behind us and were a new team. Great and much-needed win.
Really good post!
Thanks for your input of which I agree. I only wish Sanchez had back to the basket moves WE really miss that offense If we get our big center next yr we will be tough Playing with CO vs Nova will be really tough.
I knew we were coming back last night. Coach Lav once again pulled the right strings. Losing Obekpa for 2 weeks could chance us winning at Nova and Xavier. Like I said before, Sanchez is not a starter, he is a roll player. Yes he has 12 boards last night, but if you watch the tape, he had plenty of mental breakdowns. Id roll the dice with Gift in there and still sub in Primo. Also DLo took a backseat last night in the game and he didnt seem frustrated at all not getting the ball, I become more and more impressed with him. Nice game all around in the second half by these guys and the staff. Good job! Go Johnnies, go take down Nova!
westchesterjoe
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Sanchez's rebounds have to be tempered by the BUTLER frontcourt he was competing against. Marshall played hard the first half but, disappeared in the 2nd. I just don't like Sanchez shooting the 3 pt attempt from the corner. After he misses, he is way out of position for the rebound and doesn't follow his shot. I'd rather have him at the elbow than the corner.
Sampson did turn it over a lot. He must be watching Sanchez and Pointer leading the break and figured if they can, so can he.
Not a good idea for any of them. Jordan or Dlo or Branch, whoever is in there, have to get the ball from these 3 guys, taking it from them if necessary.
Jordan also must realize you can't expect GG, Sanchez or CO to snare inbound passes at their ankles/knees. None of them have great hands and its' a low percentage gamble. We still stand around too much on inbounds under the basket.
We're going to need BIG GAMES from DLO, Jordan and Sampson. We might need 55-60 points from them in total.
LET'S GO..Beat the Cats.
Sampson did turn it over a lot. He must be watching Sanchez and Pointer leading the break and figured if they can, so can he.
Not a good idea for any of them. Jordan or Dlo or Branch, whoever is in there, have to get the ball from these 3 guys, taking it from them if necessary.
Jordan also must realize you can't expect GG, Sanchez or CO to snare inbound passes at their ankles/knees. None of them have great hands and its' a low percentage gamble. We still stand around too much on inbounds under the basket.
We're going to need BIG GAMES from DLO, Jordan and Sampson. We might need 55-60 points from them in total.
LET'S GO..Beat the Cats.
Class of 72
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Great second half in game that I never thought was in doubt even after a slow first half. Butler likely was the smallest team we faced this year and the rebounding differential was not surprising. Getting 7,000 to attend the game for a 9pm start against a last place team was respectable in NYC. That is equivalent to getting 22,000 at the Dome for BC. Lol.
beast of the east
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Or the equivalent of Creighton drawing 50 people for an important game - just saying.
Numbers don't lie. Your eyes just deceive you. Their bigs had a couple of big putbacks when Sanchez was defending the guy who put up the shot, so you attribute not boxing out tot he big guy who was near the basket. Thie was true in the first half and the impression remained in your mind. We totally shut them down in the second half. They were stuck on 43 for what seems like an eternity. I think they went scoreless for about 8 minutes.
JackofVirginia
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Even with a very poor first half did I expect to lose last night. Now had this been earlier in the season is another story.
Harrison kind of played a layback game, even passing inside when he had an open 3. Seemed as confident as I did about winning last night.
I'm sorry to be negative here but Hooper cannot guard anyone, once again allowing his man to drive baseline. Every team over guards him thus he is useless on offense. The same happened to Novak on the Knicks last year. Can Marco be worse on defense?
Good to have Branch back.
Harrison kind of played a layback game, even passing inside when he had an open 3. Seemed as confident as I did about winning last night.
I'm sorry to be negative here but Hooper cannot guard anyone, once again allowing his man to drive baseline. Every team over guards him thus he is useless on offense. The same happened to Novak on the Knicks last year. Can Marco be worse on defense?
Good to have Branch back.
Branch was quite good last night, and I thought he played faster and more aggressively when on the floor with Rysheed.
Orlando contributed. Simple as that. He hit 5/5 from the line, and eleven boards. He does have some keystone cops moments in the paint though. But he still figures to be important for this team, and am glad he's contributing now.
Jakarr was demonstrative on some boards too, and was sick in the paint. I still hate his mid-range shot, but those moves near the basket? that's his game. Props to that poster who called that early last night...he could have scored even more.
Rysheed's numbers don't show it, but he really pushed things in the 2nd half.
The passing improved so much as the game went on.
Let's take the rematch in Philly and put the entire tourney on notice!
sky not falling, sky is the limit?
Orlando contributed. Simple as that. He hit 5/5 from the line, and eleven boards. He does have some keystone cops moments in the paint though. But he still figures to be important for this team, and am glad he's contributing now.
Jakarr was demonstrative on some boards too, and was sick in the paint. I still hate his mid-range shot, but those moves near the basket? that's his game. Props to that poster who called that early last night...he could have scored even more.
Rysheed's numbers don't show it, but he really pushed things in the 2nd half.
The passing improved so much as the game went on.
Let's take the rematch in Philly and put the entire tourney on notice!
sky not falling, sky is the limit?
Branch was quite good last night, and I thought he played faster and more aggressively when on the floor with Rysheed.
Orlando contributed. Simple as that. He hit 5/5 from the line, and eleven boards. He does have some keystone cops moments in the paint though. But he still figures to be important for this team, and am glad he's contributing now.
Jakarr was demonstrative on some boards too, and was sick in the paint. I still hate his mid-range shot, but those moves near the basket? that's his game. Props to that poster who called that early last night...he could have scored even more.
Rysheed's numbers don't show it, but he really pushed things in the 2nd half.
The passing improved so much as the game went on.
Let's take the rematch in Philly and put the entire tourney on notice!
sky not falling, sky is the limit?
Nice post.
Over guarding him makes him quite useful. Have you seen the way defense play dom? its a one man zone in the middle instead of paying him any attention.
Kudos from JPM114 for Branch;
"For the game, St. John's turned that three point deficit into a lead that stretched to 29. For the team it was their 9th win in 10 tries. And for Sampson, he not only scored a career high 23 points but helped St. John's defense hold Marshall scoreless and without a rebound for the entire second half. And while the improved energy and urgency was key to the win, so was the calming influence of guard Jamal Branch was also essential. The numbers will say 10 points and 5 assists but his poise, which shows in the box score in the form of just one turnover combined with his ability to get Samson touches provided a needed offensive spark." Full blog;
http://newyorkbasketball.blogspot.com/2014/02/sampson-and-st-johns-use-strong-2nd.html
"For the game, St. John's turned that three point deficit into a lead that stretched to 29. For the team it was their 9th win in 10 tries. And for Sampson, he not only scored a career high 23 points but helped St. John's defense hold Marshall scoreless and without a rebound for the entire second half. And while the improved energy and urgency was key to the win, so was the calming influence of guard Jamal Branch was also essential. The numbers will say 10 points and 5 assists but his poise, which shows in the box score in the form of just one turnover combined with his ability to get Samson touches provided a needed offensive spark." Full blog;
http://newyorkbasketball.blogspot.com/2014/02/sampson-and-st-johns-use-strong-2nd.html
Big thumbs down to FS1 for these 9PM game times.
No way should NY/NJ teams have start times this late.
That being said, good win.
We're going to need much, much, much more out of Gift vs. Nova. Pinkston is a pit bull and without Obekpa out there providing weak side help, we could be in major trouble.
For all of our collective shot blocking prowess, we give up way too many Points In the Paint. Even to teams that have no inside presence.
We'll have a lot of Philly faithful in the house pulling for Sheed and SJU but I hope Sheed doesn't try to press and do too much.
I like the defensive matchup of Sheed on Archi. His length should give him fits. And at least it's not Swiss Cheese Phil out there. The BE refs love Archi so as heed has to be careful.
Nova plays a lot like us.
Here's hoping we can withstand their first punch and keep it close.
No way should NY/NJ teams have start times this late.
That being said, good win.
We're going to need much, much, much more out of Gift vs. Nova. Pinkston is a pit bull and without Obekpa out there providing weak side help, we could be in major trouble.
For all of our collective shot blocking prowess, we give up way too many Points In the Paint. Even to teams that have no inside presence.
We'll have a lot of Philly faithful in the house pulling for Sheed and SJU but I hope Sheed doesn't try to press and do too much.
I like the defensive matchup of Sheed on Archi. His length should give him fits. And at least it's not Swiss Cheese Phil out there. The BE refs love Archi so as heed has to be careful.
Nova plays a lot like us.
Here's hoping we can withstand their first punch and keep it close.