Bursting the Bubble: Why Sports Aren't Coming Back Soon

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California Gov saying live sports will be part of 'phase 4' or the last phase of his reopening plan. Which means, months away.

i can't see college ball coming back next season.

best, best case scenario in my mind, college ball starts in january. have january as non-conference games, feb & march conference, and april is conference and national tourney. national title game in early may....
 
[quote="redmen4life" post=386232]California Gov saying live sports will be part of 'phase 4' or the last phase of his reopening plan. Which means, months away.

i can't see college ball coming back next season.

best, best case scenario in my mind, college ball starts in january. have january as non-conference games, feb & march conference, and april is conference and national tourney. national title game in early may....[/quote]

or maybe we will finally get a true National College basketball tournament where ALL division 1 teams play an elimination series which would be about 8 to 10 games to a final.
 
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best, best case scenario in my mind, college ball starts in january. have january as non-conference games, feb & march conference, and april is conference and national tourney. national title game in early may....[/quote]

I don't know what's going to happen (it's a guessing game), but I'm kind of rooting for this scenario, and then hoping that college basketball permanently resets it's calendar to something like this in future years.

The more regular season games that can take place after the NFL is complete, the better, IMO. Plus, there is not much going on in April. Opening Day is only one day, and the NBA playoffs will be in the first round, which is the most uninteresting thing in the four major sports, so the tournament will still rule the roost.

This should be the way for college hoops to operate in the future, coronavirus or not.
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=388600]Season return

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1266445710196695040?s=21[/quote]

Why such a late date though?
You'd think you'd want to restart the season in late June or early July, and maybe get everything over before late fall, and before the potentrial 2nd wave. Maybe just go straight to the playoffs like hockey?
Lillard already said he's not coming back if Portland doesn't have a chance at the playoffs.
 
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=388605][quote="Paultzman" post=388600]Season return

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1266445710196695040?s=21[/quote]

Why such a late date though?
You'd think you'd want to restart the season in late June or early July, and maybe get everything over before late fall, and before the potentrial 2nd wave. Maybe just go straight to the playoffs like hockey?
Lillard already said he's not coming back if Portland doesn't have a chance at the playoffs.[/quote]


There’s a lot of set up that still has to take place to ensure that this “bubble” will actually work.

On top of that, I haven’t seen any confirmation of this, but I’d assume when they get the players and all the personnel into this bubble, they’d probably have to keep all the teams isolated from each other for the 14 days, no? I feel like that’s the best way to ensure that the bubble is completely safe to move forward and no one snuck through with a false negative test.

Then it can start.

By the way, the blazers will have a chance to make the playoffs so Dame can relax
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=388606][quote="EliteBaller K" post=388605][quote="Paultzman" post=388600]Season return

https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1266445710196695040?s=21[/quote]

Why such a late date though?
You'd think you'd want to restart the season in late June or early July, and maybe get everything over before late fall, and before the potentrial 2nd wave. Maybe just go straight to the playoffs like hockey?
Lillard already said he's not coming back if Portland doesn't have a chance at the playoffs.[/quote]


There’s a lot of set up that still has to take place to ensure that this “bubble” will actually work.

On top of that, I haven’t seen any confirmation of this, but I’d assume when they get the players and all the personnel into this bubble, they’d probably have to keep all the teams isolated from each other for the 14 days, no? I feel like that’s the best way to ensure that the bubble is completely safe to move forward and no one snuck through with a false negative test.

Then it can start.

By the way, the blazers will have a chance to make the playoffs so Dame can relax[/quote]
14 days is considered to be the “safe” date, although in extremely rare cases it has been known to incubate for longer than that. Most people develop symptoms in a little over 5 days (the median period that.symptoms develop), and over 97% of people develop symptoms within 11 days.
 
It’s the coaches that have to worry. College aged students are at extremely low risk with this disease. College and their sports should move forward as usual with precautions especially for older faculty/staff etc.
 
A lot of athletes are home right now with their families. Wives, children, parents, and grandparents. Are they supposed to cut off their families once their particular sports resume.

There is talk about the NBA resuming play at Disney in Orlando within a bubble. Why, so we can sit at home and watch basketball games. I love sports as much as the next person, but right now basketball, football or any other sport is not a priority in my life. My focus right now is on the health and well being of my family. I am sure that a lot of professional athletes feel the same way. Karl Towns of the Timberwolves lost his mother to the coronavirus.

I am sure that many parents and grandparents have reservations regarding their children returning to campus to resume playing sports. These are uncharted waters that we are in now. There is no blueprint for how to manage this present situation.

If Aaron Rodgers tests positive during the football season or Lebron during the basketball playoffs, what happens? If your star has to be quarantined for 14 days, do you suspend the season or keep playing? If during the season, a player loses a family member to covid-19, can they attend the funeral or do they stay with their team? What are our priorities in life?

These are just random thoughts.
 
[quote="panther2" post=388666]A lot of athletes are home right now with their families. Wives, children, parents, and grandparents. Are they supposed to cut off their families once their particular sports resume.

There is talk about the NBA resuming play at Disney in Orlando within a bubble. Why, so we can sit at home and watch basketball games. I love sports as much as the next person, but right now basketball, football or any other sport is not a priority in my life. My focus right now is on the health and well being of my family. I am sure that a lot of professional athletes feel the same way. Karl Towns of the Timberwolves lost his mother to the coronavirus.

I am sure that many parents and grandparents have reservations regarding their children returning to campus to resume playing sports. These are uncharted waters that we are in now. There is no blueprint for how to manage this present situation.

If Aaron Rodgers tests positive during the football season or Lebron during the basketball playoffs, what happens? If your star has to be quarantined for 14 days, do you suspend the season or keep playing? If during the season, a player loses a family member to covid-19, can they attend the funeral or do they stay with their team? What are our priorities in life?

These are just random thoughts.[/quote]

Random thoughts, they are anything but random thoughts Panther. They are well thought out questions on your part.
Unfortunately society around the world is at a divide today, health or the economy ?
I am certainly in your court that sports, as much as I love them or any form of entertainment for that matter, are purely forms of entertainment, nothing more nothing less. It is now roughly 11 weeks since there has been a live sporting event to attend or watch, or a movie to go see, or a restaurant to dine in, and we have all survived. Our priorities have changed.
In the mean time in countries where there has been a loosening of restrictions, Germany, Sweden, Israel to name a few the virus numbers have increased. Hopefully it won’t here in North America but we will all be finding out in the next few weeks.
Sorry but in the face of this invisible pandemic and what has transpired in Minneapolis and Toronto this past week a return to professional sporting events is number 500 on my list of priorities.
 
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[quote="panther2" post=388666]A lot of athletes are home right now with their families. Wives, children, parents, and grandparents. Are they supposed to cut off their families once their particular sports resume.

There is talk about the NBA resuming play at Disney in Orlando within a bubble. Why, so we can sit at home and watch basketball games. I love sports as much as the next person, but right now basketball, football or any other sport is not a priority in my life. My focus right now is on the health and well being of my family. I am sure that a lot of professional athletes feel the same way. Karl Towns of the Timberwolves lost his mother to the coronavirus.

I am sure that many parents and grandparents have reservations regarding their children returning to campus to resume playing sports. These are uncharted waters that we are in now. There is no blueprint for how to manage this present situation.

If Aaron Rodgers tests positive during the football season or Lebron during the basketball playoffs, what happens? If your star has to be quarantined for 14 days, do you suspend the season or keep playing? If during the season, a player loses a family member to covid-19, can they attend the funeral or do they stay with their team? What are our priorities in life?

These are just random thoughts.[/quote]

The NBA’s bubble supposedly is including families of players so no one will have to leave their families they will be coming too.

Also, the league surveyed the entire league and the response was overwhelmingly that they wanna finish the season. If this wasn’t something the players wanted, it wouldn’t be happening.

It actually wasn’t gaining any momentum to happen until a group of about 15 stars came together and got on a conference call talking about the league continuing.

I have a much different point of view on this topic. We need sports back. This country is bleeding. Something like that can bring a lot of us together.

The numbers for corona are currently down, hospitals across the nation are not overwhelmed, which was the goal from the beginning (supposedly) to flatten the curve and help our hospitals keep beds open. We’ve reached a point where that is a reality. I don’t see why the NBA and NHL can’t go finish their season in a bubble/campus like setting. And it looks like they are, and I’m all for it.

Just my two cents
 
I agree with you guys about priorities and while there are plenty of selfish narcissists and psychopaths (most of them are politicians or work in Silicon Valley) I don't think it does any good to create this concept of the mindless, selfish horde who don't care about the welfare of others and just want their selfish comforts, screw everyone else. Most people care regardless of their race or background. But beyond that, another facet to sports/entertainment is that this is a profession for these people and the vast majority in the profession of sports, even some that are relatively famous, live paycheck to paycheck and aren't Lebron or living lifestyles of the rich and famous. The same goes for other entertainment industries. So it isn't just about fans wanting to be entertained or even the pampered stars. Most of these guys don't have a fallback job at the local electronics store like Artest... ;) My daughter works in a hospital for low pay and already has compromised health but she desperately wanted to go back to work and not just for the paycheck. People want to live their lives and do what they do, for various reasons. There are no easy answers.
 
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A lot of what is going on in this country is shameful with the handling of this pandemic, race relations, the political climate etc. It all ties into systemic issues that are terminally flawed.

In Germany they’ve been playing games in home stadiums for weeks without a hitch. Here in the United States we have a bunch of pampered athletes and those in charge of figuring this out are absolute idiots. We’ve gotten nowhere with almost no clarity!

Give the Germans a ton of credit for how well this has gone. Again we’re still twiddling our thumbs in the US talking about bubbles and athletes talking about “risking their lives.”

There are more important things than sports to be clear, but the symbol of sports returning should not be underestimated when we’ve been on global lockdown for months.

Probably can chalk this up to having too many cooks in the kitchen with major sports in America. I’m a huge UFC fan and when you have 1 singular voice like Dana White who was nothing short of obsessed with putting events back on, it’s much easier to push forward without red tape.
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=388675]I agree with you guys about priorities and while there are plenty of selfish narcissists and psychopaths (most of them are politicians or work in Silicon Valley) I don't think it does any good to create this concept of the mindless, selfish horde who don't care about the welfare of others and just want their selfish comforts, screw everyone else. Most people care regardless of their race or background. But beyond that, another facet to sports/entertainment is that this is a profession for these people and the vast majority in the profession of sports, even some that are relatively famous, live paycheck to paycheck and aren't Lebron or living lifestyles of the rich and famous. The same goes for other entertainment industries. So it isn't just about fans wanting to be entertained or even the pampered stars. Most of these guys don't have a fallback job at the local electronics store like Artest... ;) My daughter works in a hospital for low pay and already has compromised health but she desperately wanted to go back to work and not just for the paycheck. People want to live their lives and do what they do, for various reasons. There are no easy answers.[/quote]



Much respect for your daughter and her commitment to help others. My wife and I both worked in Health Care before we retired. Speaking to some of our former co workers, we have been told that there is a definite improvement in New York. A friend of mine who is a RN at NY Presbyterian Hospital of Queens told me this morning that there are only 3 covid units left in the hospital and the Operating Rooms will go full blast on June 15th.

My concern was about opening up everything too soon and then having a full scale recurrence. There is nothing that I would like more than to be at St. Johns in October for Midnight Madness and then for the Mass for Coach Carnsecca the following day.
 
[quote="panther2" post=388679][quote="Paul Massell" post=388675]I agree with you guys about priorities and while there are plenty of selfish narcissists and psychopaths (most of them are politicians or work in Silicon Valley) I don't think it does any good to create this concept of the mindless, selfish horde who don't care about the welfare of others and just want their selfish comforts, screw everyone else. Most people care regardless of their race or background. But beyond that, another facet to sports/entertainment is that this is a profession for these people and the vast majority in the profession of sports, even some that are relatively famous, live paycheck to paycheck and aren't Lebron or living lifestyles of the rich and famous. The same goes for other entertainment industries. So it isn't just about fans wanting to be entertained or even the pampered stars. Most of these guys don't have a fallback job at the local electronics store like Artest... ;) My daughter works in a hospital for low pay and already has compromised health but she desperately wanted to go back to work and not just for the paycheck. People want to live their lives and do what they do, for various reasons. There are no easy answers.[/quote]



Much respect for your daughter and her commitment to help others. My wife and I both worked in Health Care before we retired. Speaking to some of our former co workers, we have been told that there is a definite improvement in New York. A friend of mine who is a RN at NY Presbyterian Hospital of Queens told me this morning that there are only 3 covid units left in the hospital and the Operating Rooms will go full blast on June 15th.

My concern was about opening up everything too soon and then having a full scale recurrence. There is nothing that I would like more than to be at St. Johns in October for Midnight Madness and then for the Mass for Coach Carnsecca the following day.[/quote]

Just my two cents on this and not meaning to hijack the thread. I’m not positive a massive spike will happen again at this point in time. This disease has travelled sooo fast and cases shot up so quickly that I think we saw our major spike. I believe the asymptomatic population out there is a bit greater than estimated and even the cdc suggests it may be almost 40% that are asymptomatic. When the disease first started, we didn’t know who would be effected. Now we see a very clear stratification of age groups etc that are heavily effected and Those that are to an extent much lesser or almost not effected at all like young children.

Our approach should be much more measured moving forward to protect our vulnerable population. Hospitals are no longer overwhelmed and in truth will end up closing if they don’t go back to business as much as possible.

Sports in the grand scheme of things don’t seem a priority, but the American spirit is really hurting in a lot of ways right now. The athletes out there and that age group are amongst the lowest risk for severe sequelae of this disease and in my opinion, should be able to play without much risk to themselves. It’s the spectators that I understand as logistically avoiding big crowds indoors is difficult.
 
MCNPA, from your fingertips to the ears of a higher power but our ignorance about this virus does not give us a thumbs up or thumbs down. I am trying to pay attention but there seems to be no clarity out there.
 
[quote="fuchsia" post=388687]MCNPA, from your fingertips to the ears of a higher power but our ignorance about this virus does not give us a thumbs up or thumbs down. I am trying to pay attention but there seems to be no clarity out there.[/quote]

Agree with you there Fuscia, and I got news for you, it won’t ever come. You and the rest of us will be waiting for Godot figuratively and maybe even literally. We can’t sit with our heads in the sand though and wait it out at home. Is it the safest thing to do for the older people in our population? Yes it is. If you have the means to wait it out, and you are at risk, by all means it’s the safest bet, like abstinence. But the entire population abstaining from things like school, life, work or even sports is simply not smart nor feasible. There is no panacea at this point and may not be one coming.
 
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