Big East Awards Predictions
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Mike Anderson is first St. John's Big East Coach of the Year since Brian Mahoney in 1993. Posh Alexander first St. John's Freshman of the Year since JaKarr Sampson in 2013. Alexander received nine of 11 first place votes
https://nypost.com/2021/03/10/mike-...-big-east-honors-for-turning-around-st-johns/
Mike Anderson is first St. John's Big East Coach of the Year since Brian Mahoney in 1993. Posh Alexander first St. John's Freshman of the Year since JaKarr Sampson in 2013. Alexander received nine of 11 first place votes
https://nypost.com/2021/03/10/mike-...-big-east-honors-for-turning-around-st-johns/
redstorm80
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Happy for Iron Mike & Posh, well deserved. Fuel for the fire for Champ.
On another note some of these awards are getting out of hand. I guess i'm ok with co-players of the year but having 3 guys is a little ridiculous. And then you have all-conference teams where i think it was the Pac-12 had 10 first team players? Feel like it waters down the achievements
On another note some of these awards are getting out of hand. I guess i'm ok with co-players of the year but having 3 guys is a little ridiculous. And then you have all-conference teams where i think it was the Pac-12 had 10 first team players? Feel like it waters down the achievements
I am absolutely overjoyed for Anderson, Alexander and the program.
The POY voting is a joke - I could have lived with Gillespie or Bouknight, but Mamu over Julian is ridiculous. Hope Julian comes out with a chip on his shoulder tomorrow, he should.
But even that does not make me any less happy for the individuals involved and for the program. Huge redemption for Anderson. Great vindication for Posh. And concrete proof (as if any more was needed) that after wandering for 40 years in the desert the program is finally on stable footing.
Just absolutely thrilled.
The POY voting is a joke - I could have lived with Gillespie or Bouknight, but Mamu over Julian is ridiculous. Hope Julian comes out with a chip on his shoulder tomorrow, he should.
But even that does not make me any less happy for the individuals involved and for the program. Huge redemption for Anderson. Great vindication for Posh. And concrete proof (as if any more was needed) that after wandering for 40 years in the desert the program is finally on stable footing.
Just absolutely thrilled.
Mullins Revenge
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The fact that julina was snubed is actually great for us. This kid will be focused and angry to prove the doubters wrong. he might drop a 40 burger on Seton hall tom.
Congrats to our award winners. All were worthy.
Posh as ROY was a no-brainer. The only other candidate was the guy from Marquette, and he's not nearly as good. Not going to judge him sharing the DPOY award, as I haven't seen enough of Whaley to form an opinion.
I understand the thinking behind Anderson as COY, and he's done a great job, but if I had a vote, I'd have given it to Jay Wright. If Anderson is going to get praise for turning things around (and he deserves praise for doing that), then he also, IMO, deserves part of the blame for our 1-5/2-6 Big East start. Especially when you consider that he had the Rookie of the Year (and the turnaround really goes back to his improved play, which Anderson deserves credit for) and a first team all league member who's been ultra-consistent this year, he was not exactly functioning with a bare cupboard, even in the beginning. I know it sounds like I'm bashing Anderson, but I do want to emphazie that he did a great job, from about mid-January on.
To me, no one really stood out in the COY race (similar to the player award), and I know Wright only met expectations, but it's impossible to exceed that when you're picked first every year. To me, Wright's overwhelming ability to succeed as a favorite, is what seperates great coaches like him, from good coaches like, say, Ed Cooley, who always does better as an underdog. This is a year where I reward him for that.
Posh as ROY was a no-brainer. The only other candidate was the guy from Marquette, and he's not nearly as good. Not going to judge him sharing the DPOY award, as I haven't seen enough of Whaley to form an opinion.
I understand the thinking behind Anderson as COY, and he's done a great job, but if I had a vote, I'd have given it to Jay Wright. If Anderson is going to get praise for turning things around (and he deserves praise for doing that), then he also, IMO, deserves part of the blame for our 1-5/2-6 Big East start. Especially when you consider that he had the Rookie of the Year (and the turnaround really goes back to his improved play, which Anderson deserves credit for) and a first team all league member who's been ultra-consistent this year, he was not exactly functioning with a bare cupboard, even in the beginning. I know it sounds like I'm bashing Anderson, but I do want to emphazie that he did a great job, from about mid-January on.
To me, no one really stood out in the COY race (similar to the player award), and I know Wright only met expectations, but it's impossible to exceed that when you're picked first every year. To me, Wright's overwhelming ability to succeed as a favorite, is what seperates great coaches like him, from good coaches like, say, Ed Cooley, who always does better as an underdog. This is a year where I reward him for that.
Totally agree. I think the league should pick the top 4 candidates and then all the coaches without a dog in the fight should rank them 1,2,3,4.RedStorm80" post=424586 said:
1st tiebreaker is 1st place votes, 2nd tie breaker is 2nd place votes, If you are still tied after that, then you can split the award.
Why Wright? He has the most talented roster in the league every year and they onlu finished 1st in the league (as predicted) because they played 5 fewer conf games than the #2 team.SJU61982" post=424598 said:
Also...do you really think that CMA was coaching any differently in DEC/JAN than he was when we started winning? It takes time for a pot of water to boil. Even if you have the heat cranked up all the way from the start.
Why stop at 3 Players of the Year ? Why not 4 or 5 ? It's ridiculous but , with 11 Coaches voting it would mean that the 3 Co Players would have each gotten 3 votes each ? Leaving only 2 voters unaccounted for ? Seemingly Champ could have gotten 2 or 1 , with Bouknight getting the other ? I can live with Gillespie but , Mamu and Robinson Earl ? Sure they are good but , more deserving than Chamo ? I don't think so ! I wonder who CMA might have voted for ? Any speculation ?
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Fair point about number of conference games, but Nova has the most talent because of Wright. It's not like the pros, when you have a GM. The coach means pretty much everything to a successful program.SJUFAN2" post=424602 said:
I do think Anderson coached differently after our slow start. He backed off the pressure a bit, and shortened the bench (until recently, Toro and McGriff haden't played nearly as much as they did back in December/January, but playing them back then probably got them ready for last Saturday).
I don't know, maybe because I watch every game we play, I see defiencies that I would see in other coaches/programs if I did the same for them. Specifically, late game offense continues to be a sore spot for me. Especially, when that was his reputation coming in. In that case, I tend to look at it more cloesly. Maybe it's not fair to him (in fact, I'm pretty sure it's not), but that's the way I see things. Same with Jarvis and his general offense, same with Lavin and his rep as an X and O guy (which is why I praised him bringing Dunlap, and later Whitesell, on as assistants, even though the latter didn't work out).
I lost my paitence for bad losses a long time ago, and some of the ones we had early in the season still hurt, especially now, when we see that the team did have ability. That being said, Anderson did a great job on the whole, this year.
So happy for our coach! If there was one award that would have been a travesty not to go to a Johnnie it was COY. Class act, excellent coach and I firmly believe he will be a great program builder for us.
Also very impressive and super congrats for Posh to win both freshman of the year and co-defensive player of the year. Many of us on this board said he was a four star talent despite what ranking services may have said and that has certainly proved to be the case.
How ironic is it tha last Johnnie to win BE Coach of the Year was Brian Mahoney in 1993?
Also very impressive and super congrats for Posh to win both freshman of the year and co-defensive player of the year. Many of us on this board said he was a four star talent despite what ranking services may have said and that has certainly proved to be the case.
How ironic is it tha last Johnnie to win BE Coach of the Year was Brian Mahoney in 1993?
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I think CMA improved as a coach of THESE PLAYERS. Coaches, like anyone else learn things as the season progresses. Strategies and personnel changes were terrific. And his haberdasher is almost as good as Wright's. /media/kunena/emoticons/cool.png
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SJU61982" post=424607 said:
Maybe, just maybe, when your preseason is shortened by COVID and you're trying to work two freshmen and three transfers into your rotation and you're having your team run by a freshman point guard ... it takes some time to put the pieces together?
Maybe worth comparing to some coaches/teams that never did really put the pieces together this year, or didn't do it until the very end. You know like Duke, Kentucky, Michigan State, North Carolina and many others.
And maybe you're overestimating the talent on the roster and underestimating the coaching that went into the results.
Maybe.
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Well, those teams you mentioned are not in our league, so I wouldn't compare that to us.lawmanfan" post=424615 said:
I think this team has quite a bit of talent on it. We know about the big 2, but Dunn, Cole, Moore, Wusu, and even Earlington all bring something to the table. That's a lot more depth then we've had in the past (while depth can be overrated at times, a lack of it never is). Anderson deserves credit for that.
He's not a bad choice for COY (you guys are convinicng me, I'll give you that), I just think he didn't do his best work until mid-January, and if UCONN didn't miss two free throws late in that game, we might never have gone on that run (although you usually need a break like that to get going).
Honestly, McDermott was probably my choice, until this last week or so, for obvious reasons.
SJU61982" post=424619 said:
If you’re gonna talk about the uconn game talk about the TO CMA called while down 23-7. No debate IMO who the better coach was that day or this season.
For those of you who care, the UCONN board's take on the awards:
https://the-boneyard.com/threads/3-way-tie-for-be-poty-and-no-bouk.169425/
https://the-boneyard.com/threads/3-way-tie-for-be-poty-and-no-bouk.169425/