(BET) (POST GAME) (#5) Seton Hall, Thur, Mar. 11, 3p, FS-1 / 570 AM WMCA

Duke of Earlington" post=425605 said:
Our best playing stunk the last 25 minutes of the game.  You do not need to look any further as to why we lost the game.
Agree on the last 25 minutes, but we were still in position to win the game. Would have been nice for us to hit our FTs in the last 4+ minutes of regulation. (2 huge misses, GW and Dunn)
Up 2 with :50 seconds left, needed a stop, but allowed Cale to stroll in for the layup. Tough overplay by GW, but with no rim protector, have to stay in front of him. In other words Champ carried us ALL season, it was time for the TEAM to pick him up yesterday. Didn't work out.
 
Moose" post=425659 said:
Beast of the East" post=425562 said:
L J S A" post=425546 said:
Duke of Earlington" post=425536 said:
espken" post=425531 said:
Postgame presser

Sounds like Dunn returning is def on the table.

I didn't take it that way at all.

In this era, I wouldn't be shocked if he transferred to a higher profile team for one more season.

Both Dunn's and CMA's responses were honest and well thought out.   You'd expect that from coach, but Dunn would pause and really give great answers to questions that were specific to the game and not canned typical responses.     Would love to have him back in all regards both on and off the court, a very valuable kid to have.


He can't transfer anywhere.  Same with Toro.  Seniors with zero eligiblity left can only extend an extra year at their current school because of Covid year.  


Heard the other day they can transfer anywhere (think typical 5th year transfer) but the extra ship only applies if they stay at same school. Dunn could be our 14th guy, but he couldn’t be Ionas.
 
Don't know if this bothered anyone else, but the jump ball to start overtime. CMA had Champagnie in there to jump against that 7+ foot monster on Seton Hall. Seemed like just giving away a possesion. At least put Roberts in there for the jump. 
 
Room112" post=425671 said:
Don't know if this bothered anyone else, but the jump ball to start overtime. CMA had Champagnie in there to jump against that 7+ foot monster on Seton Hall. Seemed like just giving away a possesion. At least put Roberts in there for the jump. 

I thought about how much off an advantage that was for SH in an OT situation. But let’s say Roberts were able to win the jump, you could make the case we would be sacrificing the possession anyway playing close to 4 on 5.
 
Amaseinyourface" post=425670 said:
Moose" post=425659 said:
Beast of the East" post=425562 said:
L J S A" post=425546 said:
Duke of Earlington" post=425536 said:
espken" post=425531 said:
Postgame presser

Sounds like Dunn returning is def on the table.

I didn't take it that way at all.

In this era, I wouldn't be shocked if he transferred to a higher profile team for one more season.

Both Dunn's and CMA's responses were honest and well thought out.   You'd expect that from coach, but Dunn would pause and really give great answers to questions that were specific to the game and not canned typical responses.     Would love to have him back in all regards both on and off the court, a very valuable kid to have.


He can't transfer anywhere.  Same with Toro.  Seniors with zero eligiblity left can only extend an extra year at their current school because of Covid year.  


Heard the other day they can transfer anywhere (think typical 5th year transfer) but the extra ship only applies if they stay at same school. Dunn could be our 14th guy, but he couldn’t be Ionas.


If you have the article I'd love to see it.  But I am pretty sure that Dunn can't because he already did 5 years and played 4.  He can stay just like Toro but neither can leave and go to another school.
 
Moose" post=425674 said:
Amaseinyourface" post=425670 said:
Moose" post=425659 said:
Beast of the East" post=425562 said:
L J S A" post=425546 said:
Duke of Earlington" post=425536 said:
espken" post=425531 said:
Postgame presser

Sounds like Dunn returning is def on the table.

I didn't take it that way at all.

In this era, I wouldn't be shocked if he transferred to a higher profile team for one more season.

Both Dunn's and CMA's responses were honest and well thought out.   You'd expect that from coach, but Dunn would pause and really give great answers to questions that were specific to the game and not canned typical responses.     Would love to have him back in all regards both on and off the court, a very valuable kid to have.


He can't transfer anywhere.  Same with Toro.  Seniors with zero eligiblity left can only extend an extra year at their current school because of Covid year.  


Heard the other day they can transfer anywhere (think typical 5th year transfer) but the extra ship only applies if they stay at same school. Dunn could be our 14th guy, but he couldn’t be Ionas.


If you have the article I'd love to see it.  But I am pretty sure that Dunn can't because he already did 5 years and played 4.  He can stay just like Toro but neither can leave and go to another school.


Like you said the other day, this year doesn’t matter. So I don’t think the 5 in 4 has any bearing on his case.

It was mentioned in a podcast but I’m not positive where it was.
 
Amaseinyourface" post=425675 said:
Moose" post=425674 said:
Amaseinyourface" post=425670 said:
Moose" post=425659 said:
Beast of the East" post=425562 said:
L J S A" post=425546 said:
Duke of Earlington" post=425536 said:
espken" post=425531 said:
Postgame presser

Sounds like Dunn returning is def on the table.

I didn't take it that way at all.

In this era, I wouldn't be shocked if he transferred to a higher profile team for one more season.

Both Dunn's and CMA's responses were honest and well thought out.   You'd expect that from coach, but Dunn would pause and really give great answers to questions that were specific to the game and not canned typical responses.     Would love to have him back in all regards both on and off the court, a very valuable kid to have.


He can't transfer anywhere.  Same with Toro.  Seniors with zero eligiblity left can only extend an extra year at their current school because of Covid year.  


Heard the other day they can transfer anywhere (think typical 5th year transfer) but the extra ship only applies if they stay at same school. Dunn could be our 14th guy, but he couldn’t be Ionas.


If you have the article I'd love to see it.  But I am pretty sure that Dunn can't because he already did 5 years and played 4.  He can stay just like Toro but neither can leave and go to another school.


Like you said the other day, this year doesn’t matter. So I don’t think the 5 in 4 has any bearing on his case.

It was mentioned in a podcast but I’m not positive where it was.


I think also with the free transfer rule coming into place plus kids sticking around for the extra year at their current school the chance for a school to take players like Dunn or Toro are slim.  Especially since the programs with spots open will likely be lower level programs who have been poached.
 
Beast of the East" post=425562 said:
L J S A" post=425546 said:
Duke of Earlington" post=425536 said:
espken" post=425531 said:
Postgame presser

Sounds like Dunn returning is def on the table.

I didn't take it that way at all.

In this era, I wouldn't be shocked if he transferred to a higher profile team for one more season.

Both Dunn's and CMA's responses were honest and well thought out.   You'd expect that from coach, but Dunn would pause and really give great answers to questions that were specific to the game and not canned typical responses.     Would love to have him back in all regards both on and off the court, a very valuable kid to have.

Dunn is a warrior and I would take him on my team anytime. Would love to have seen him and Ponds in our backcourt.

His family/friends often sat in my section of MSG. Very passionate fans. I wanted to tell them we loved Rasheem.
 
lawmanfan" post=425587 said:
The day after I am sticking with my analysis from the game thread:

Too much Obiagu, not enough Champagnie, Moore's absence hurt us.

Obiagu is not a big man who we had to be concerned with on offense - I thought we did a good job overall doing what was necessary on him at that end of the floor.  The problem that he posed is that Coach wants the team to get offense going to the rim instead of being 3-pointer happy.  That makes sense since it is the 3-pointer happy games that have dug us into holes.  However, if you're going to do that against a 7 footer who's a shot blocker, you can't do it by having your 6 foot tall guards drive and shoot.  You can drive and dish, you can stop and pop, but you cannot, cannot take it all the way to the rim.  So the Obiagu problem was largely self-created - if our guys had stopped for jumpers in the lane, or dropped the ball to a teammate off the drive, Obiagu would have been less of a problem.  Dunn took a few jumpers, there were a couple of decent interior passes, but overall that was a problem.

Not enough Champagnie was in part good defense by the Hall, in part the ball not getting to Julian enough, and in part Julian just not making shots that he usually makes and that we need him to make to win. 

The absence of Moore actually does not relate to either Obiagu or Mamu.  As noted above I think we did a fine job on Obiagu and Wusu and Earlington also did a good enough job on Mamu to win the game.  The problem was Rhoden - with the others deployed on Obiagu and Mamu, there was nobody to make things difficult for Rhoden and he just burned us.  If Moore had been available he would have been the obvious choice to make Rhoden's life more difficult.  And in a game that could have gone either way, that made a difference.

All in all the team fought hard, a 4/5 game went about the way you would expect a 4/5 game to go - which to some extent proves that they did indeed deserve to be in the 4/5 game.

I hope the season continues in the NIT, it would be great for this squad to get more experience (and even better if they won that tournament.

I'll save my comments on coaching and what the team needs for next year for other threads.
Good analysis. I think we needed to take it to rim, especially on nights when perimeter is off, but with a guy like Obiagu if you don’t dish off - you need to consider getting a foul on him to be the priority and if you convert fine.
 
Amaseinyourface" post=425606 said:
lawmanfan" post=425601 said:
Amaseinyourface" post=425600 said:
lawmanfan" post=425597 said:

Couldn't disagree more, Sly.  Figgy was simply not capable of playing in Anderson's system. 



 

Defensively he sure was.

No question he would have helped with Rhoden.  But I think if we had Moore you wouldn't have missed Figueroa at least for that game.

No doubt he would have helped but have we seen Moore guard a wing all year?  
Maybe not but having to account for Moore on defense would have taken some of their mindshare - vs. the clear head that some of them played with.
 
espken" post=425669 said:
Duke of Earlington" post=425605 said:
Our best playing stunk the last 25 minutes of the game.  You do not need to look any further as to why we lost the game.
Agree on the last 25 minutes, but we were still in position to win the game. Would have been nice for us to hit our FTs in the last 4+ minutes of regulation. (2 huge misses, GW and Dunn)
Up 2 with :50 seconds left, needed a stop, but allowed Cale to stroll in for the layup. Tough overplay by GW, but with no rim protector, have to stay in front of him. In other words Champ carried us ALL season, it was time for the TEAM to pick him up yesterday. Didn't work out.
Great point...that overplay was a killer...but mistakes happen and you live with them...
 
Room112" post=425671 said:
Don't know if this bothered anyone else, but the jump ball to start overtime. CMA had Champagnie in there to jump against that 7+ foot monster on Seton Hall. Seemed like just giving away a possesion. At least put Roberts in there for the jump. 
Josh works hard and did his best...But, He didn't win a jump ball all year. . .
 
Room112" post=425671 said:
Don't know if this bothered anyone else, but the jump ball to start overtime. CMA had Champagnie in there to jump against that 7+ foot monster on Seton Hall. Seemed like just giving away a possesion. At least put Roberts in there for the jump. 
I had more of a problem with our first possession of OT. Down 63-62, Dunn (sorry Monte) hoisted a baseline 3 with 21 seconds left on the shot clock. A shot he has not made from that spot all year.
 
Moose I agree, but if a guy like Hassan French wanted to use his free extra year of eligibility at SJU, a ship might open up. 
 
Section3" post=425683 said:
Beast of the East" post=425562 said:
L J S A" post=425546 said:
Duke of Earlington" post=425536 said:
espken" post=425531 said:
Postgame presser

Sounds like Dunn returning is def on the table.

I didn't take it that way at all.

In this era, I wouldn't be shocked if he transferred to a higher profile team for one more season.

Both Dunn's and CMA's responses were honest and well thought out.   You'd expect that from coach, but Dunn would pause and really give great answers to questions that were specific to the game and not canned typical responses.     Would love to have him back in all regards both on and off the court, a very valuable kid to have.

Dunn is a warrior and I would take him on my team anytime. Would love to have seen him and Ponds in our backcourt.

His family/friends often sat in my section of MSG. Very passionate fans. I wanted to tell them we loved Rasheem.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The tweet (or post)- that this fine young man posted about his love of the team, the staff, the School, was wonderful to read. He sent out heartfelt thoughts to us all, and it was very classy on his part.


 
 
Amaseinyourface" post=425690 said:
Moose I agree, but if a guy like Hassan French wanted to use his free extra year of eligibility at SJU, a ship might open up. 

Ok this is a great article but everyone likely doesn't have the ESPN subscription even though they should.  Its well worth the 5 bucks a month.

[URL]https://www.espn.com/mens-coll...-year-going-make-some-difficult-conversations[/URL]

So yes Dunn and Toro 'could' transfer.  However back to the point about him transferring up to a bigger school personally I just doubt that since the rich will get richer with kids transferring up like your French to SJU example.  The big schools will have few ships likely while small schools will be under because of losing kids going up.

We knew it would be crazy but I think the NCAA might be kicking themselves now with both free transfer and Covid year.  I was expecting chaos but this is going to be worse.  Plus as the article says NBA draft will be later again as well.  I'm dizzy
 
Josh won the jump ball to start the game lol. Could have easily won this one too
 
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