(BET) (POST GAME) (#5) Seton Hall, Thur, Mar. 11, 3p, FS-1 / 570 AM WMCA

[Mullins Revenge]

Postgame presser

Sounds like Dunn returning is def on the table.

 

[Ray Morgan]

Our team may have lost, but I was impressed that this young and inexperience team did not fall apart in the big arena uinder the bright lights. Yes, some open shots were missed, and some foul shots, but the game was ultimately lost because SH was just too big, too athletic and too strong. And more experienced. Even with all those things against us, we were in a postion to win. I didn't see any of our players succumb to the pressure. After boneheaded plays, I always scream at the tv, yelling "you idiot" to whoever messed up. There was no reason to scream. We didn't make boneheaded plays. Just played hard, nd played to win. just like a CMA coached team.

 

[L J S A]

Postgame presser

Sounds like Dunn returning is def on the table.

I didn't take it that way at all.

 

[beast of the east]

Postgame presser

Sounds like Dunn returning is def on the table.

I didn't take it that way at all.

In this era, I wouldn't be shocked if he transferred to a higher profile team for one more season.

Both Dunn's and CMA's responses were honest and well thought out.   You'd expect that from coach, but Dunn would pause and really give great answers to questions that were specific to the game and not canned typical responses.     Would love to have him back in all regards both on and off the court, a very valuable kid to have.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Postgame presser

Sounds like Dunn returning is def on the table.

I didn't take it that way at all.

In this era, I wouldn't be shocked if he transferred to a higher profile team for one more season.

That would shock me. Can’t imagine a better situation is out there for Dunn if he wants to spend another year in college.

 

[NCJohnnie]

I'm not sure what in the Dunn and Anderson interviews would give any impression that Dunn is returning. Dunn has already addressed it and indicated he is moving on and wasn't asked about it at all yesterday. When Coach was asked he just said we're thinking about this season now (NIT) as it really wasn't a question for him to address anyway,  

 

[BrookJersey Redmen]

Work made me miss the game in regulation, 90 seconds into OT I got to turn the game on. Probably should have stayed away, the next 3 and a half minutes were not great.

Happy for the season we had, great coach, great kids, fun times, more good than bad for all the reasons already stated here.

Maybe win a game in the NIT to ease the pain of yesterday's loss.

I said for a long time now, SJU hasn't had a banger down low forever and a day. We need a Charles Oakley prototype. Hit the boards real strong, intimidate rim drivers, take charges, block shots. Big strong kid who hustles after loose balls. If we have that we can go places with the rest of our pieces.

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

Seton Hall players , Cale and Rhoden were the difference . They had a combined 35 points and Rhoden had like 18 rebounds .  We had no answer . They are the prototypical BE players you need 6'6 -6'8 or there about that can
beat you off the dribble . Their explosives surprised us . We have 6 foot guards that can get to the rim but , were blocked time and time again today . 

i was going to write that too during that game.  And Mamu played consistently well up to his capabilities, unlike the game at CA where he got rattled and tired.           Last Saturday at CA , we had the Heat turned up to its normal 85  Fahrenheit and Mamu wilted a bit . At the Garden we couldn't contril the thermostat and hence , didn't fatigue him enough .. We doubled him most of the game and even when he didn't score , he got the ball to Rhoden and Cale who destroyed us on the glass and scoring well past their season  stats .   Just a comment , in OT there was no off the ball movement on Offense and everyone was kind of standing still . It resulted in the too often incessant dribbling to late in the shot clock , we stopped going to the hoop even when Ogadbi wasn't in there .   For the next  year , let's hope we get the quick Wing player who has the explosive step to the hoop . It would also help if he could shoot .  It's just so disappointing to see us lose so frequently in BIG Games . That's not on CMA but , we have a dismal history of failing in the big ones , even going back to our glory days .  And , still can't win the BET tourney game , beyond the 8-9 or 9-10 first round . 

 

[lawmanfan]

The day after I am sticking with my analysis from the game thread:

Too much Obiagu, not enough Champagnie, Moore's absence hurt us.

Obiagu is not a big man who we had to be concerned with on offense - I thought we did a good job overall doing what was necessary on him at that end of the floor.  The problem that he posed is that Coach wants the team to get offense going to the rim instead of being 3-pointer happy.  That makes sense since it is the 3-pointer happy games that have dug us into holes.  However, if you're going to do that against a 7 footer who's a shot blocker, you can't do it by having your 6 foot tall guards drive and shoot.  You can drive and dish, you can stop and pop, but you cannot, cannot take it all the way to the rim.  So the Obiagu problem was largely self-created - if our guys had stopped for jumpers in the lane, or dropped the ball to a teammate off the drive, Obiagu would have been less of a problem.  Dunn took a few jumpers, there were a couple of decent interior passes, but overall that was a problem.

Not enough Champagnie was in part good defense by the Hall, in part the ball not getting to Julian enough, and in part Julian just not making shots that he usually makes and that we need him to make to win. 

The absence of Moore actually does not relate to either Obiagu or Mamu.  As noted above I think we did a fine job on Obiagu and Wusu and Earlington also did a good enough job on Mamu to win the game.  The problem was Rhoden - with the others deployed on Obiagu and Mamu, there was nobody to make things difficult for Rhoden and he just burned us.  If Moore had been available he would have been the obvious choice to make Rhoden's life more difficult.  And in a game that could have gone either way, that made a difference.

All in all the team fought hard, a 4/5 game went about the way you would expect a 4/5 game to go - which to some extent proves that they did indeed deserve to be in the 4/5 game.

I hope the season continues in the NIT, it would be great for this squad to get more experience (and even better if they won that tournament.

I'll save my comments on coaching and what the team needs for next year for other threads.

 

[fordham96]

No it's not Mike but the larger point was based on the fact that so much of the COY argument for Coach Anderson was based on the pre-season expectations and less on what they actually accomplished (not to say they didn't accomplish anything).  Right?  In other words Danny Hurley and UCONN are going to the NCAA's, SJU is not.  So who had a better year?  But because UCONN was "expected" to be better this year (although go back and read some posters in Oct/November who thought UCONN was overrated) SJU and Coach Anderson get the beneft of the doubt in COY voting and I happened to agree.  I think Coach deserved it.  But ultimately I prefer going forward to be a top tier BE program.  That is all I meant.


That's not exactly reinventing the wheel though is it ? I mean I hope any coach wants to win especially with not losing players. I doubt we will be picked 9th or whatever next year I'd think CMA as well as everyone wants to make the NCAA and should be expected

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

Not to play the What Iif game but , for the Figgy detractors , we would have Won yesterday if we still had him . He would have been the Scoring option to pick up the slack with Champs off game and his rebounding , defense and long range sharp shooting would have made a difference . Rhoden would not have had the game of his life either. But, it's like saying IF my horse had only run faster , I could have gone to the Cashiers window instead of ripping up my tickets . Just saying ..   And , it was Figgy's choice to leave , so be it ... 

 

[lawmanfan]

Not to play the What Iif game but , for the Figgy detractors , we would have Won yesterday if we still had him . He would have been the Scoring option to pick up the slack with Champs off game and his rebounding , defense and long range sharp shooting would have made a difference . Rhoden would not have had the game of his life either. But, it's like saying IF my horse had only run faster , I could have gone to the Cashiers window instead of ripping up my tickets . Just saying ..   And , it was Figgy's choice to leave , so be it ... 

 

Couldn't disagree more, Sly.  Figgy was simply not capable of playing in Anderson's system.  He's too slow and lacks discipline.  He was just not a fit.  But if we're going to talk about Figgy why not Tariq Owens or Obekpa or Jack Wolfinger or Eric King or Rashod McLeod...

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Not to play the What Iif game but , for the Figgy detractors , we would have Won yesterday if we still had him . He would have been the Scoring option to pick up the slack with Champs off game and his rebounding , defense and long range sharp shooting would have made a difference . Rhoden would not have had the game of his life either. But, it's like saying IF my horse had only run faster , I could have gone to the Cashiers window instead of ripping up my tickets . Just saying ..   And , it was Figgy's choice to leave , so be it ... 


 

Couldn't disagree more, Sly.  Figgy was simply not capable of playing in Anderson's system. 

Defensively he sure was.

 

[lawmanfan]

 

Couldn't disagree more, Sly.  Figgy was simply not capable of playing in Anderson's system. 
 

Defensively he sure was.

No question he would have helped with Rhoden.  But I think if we had Moore you wouldn't have missed Figueroa at least for that game.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

No it's not Mike but the larger point was based on the fact that so much of the COY argument for Coach Anderson was based on the pre-season expectations and less on what they actually accomplished (not to say they didn't accomplish anything).  Right?  In other words Danny Hurley and UCONN are going to the NCAA's, SJU is not.  So who had a better year?  But because UCONN was "expected" to be better this year (although go back and read some posters in Oct/November who thought UCONN was overrated) SJU and Coach Anderson get the beneft of the doubt in COY voting and I happened to agree.  I think Coach deserved it.  But ultimately I prefer going forward to be a top tier BE program.  That is all I meant.


That's not exactly reinventing the wheel though is it ? I mean I hope any coach wants to win especially with not losing players. I doubt we will be picked 9th or whatever next year I'd think CMA as well as everyone wants to make the NCAA and should be expected

“So a team that went 4-14 loses their best player without a signficant replacement is going to drastically improve after the conference added a really good UCONN team?

Add in the fact they struggled mightily against two MAAC teams at home and their best win is a 3 pt win over a BC team that is 1-5 and got absolutely SMOKED by a very ordinary Syracuse team last night, 101-63. A game in which they trailed by FORTY FOUR points at one point, 90-46.

But that team is going to win 10 League games?”

“.500 really?

So take these 7 teams that are consensus best 7 coming into season: Nova, UCONN, Creighton, Marquette, Xavier, SHU and PC. That is 14 games assuming everything happens with Covid. What is realistic in terms of W/L over those 14 games? Seriously for me 3-11 maybe 4-10?

I don’t know maybe I am delusional but I know what I see and I know what was predicted. 5-15, 6-14 season. Again I hope to God I am wrong but tyey gave 1 decent win over BC who is like 1-5 now.”

At least the guy who wrote this admitted he might be delusional

 

[Mullins Revenge]

Our best playing stunk the last 25 minutes of the game.  You do not need to look any further as to why we lost the game.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

 

Couldn't disagree more, Sly.  Figgy was simply not capable of playing in Anderson's system. 


 

Defensively he sure was.

No question he would have helped with Rhoden.  But I think if we had Moore you wouldn't have missed Figueroa at least for that game.

No doubt he would have helped but have we seen Moore guard a wing all year?  

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

Not to play the What Iif game but , for the Figgy detractors , we would have Won yesterday if we still had him . He would have been the Scoring option to pick up the slack with Champs off game and his rebounding , defense and long range sharp shooting would have made a difference . Rhoden would not have had the game of his life either. But, it's like saying IF my horse had only run faster , I could have gone to the Cashiers window instead of ripping up my tickets . Just saying ..   And , it was Figgy's choice to leave , so be it ... 


 

Couldn't disagree more, Sly.  Figgy was simply not capable of playing in Anderson's system.  He's too slow and lacks discipline.  He was just not a fit.  But if we're going to talk about Figgy why not Tariq Owens or Obekpa or Jack Wolfinger or Eric King or Rashod McLeod...                                     Differing opinions are always worthy . Mostly . Yours here is one of the worthy ones but , to not say Figgy would have been a huge addition to our lineup yesterday is questionable . Figgy was a solid BE Player no matter what system the Coach favors . Figgy was  a Damn good defender and could rebound and shoot . What more is to the game ?   His long range bombs would have helped immensely yesterday .  We over achieved this year and a credit to CMA that we got a lot out of  role players like Cole  Wusu, Moore , Dunn , Earlington . We keep expecting more of Williams and could have used a big game from him yesterday but , whether it's injuries or whatever , it impacts his consistency .  He needed to assert himself  fur whatever minutes he can go full steam . His outside shooting could have helped in OT where we couldn't hit a shot .    As for all the past players you mentioned , they were long gone before figgy . Whereas Figgy would hsve been this year .  Like him or not , he was a legit BE scorer , defender , rebounder .  

 

[Moose]

Postgame presser

Sounds like Dunn returning is def on the table.

I didn't take it that way at all.

In this era, I wouldn't be shocked if he transferred to a higher profile team for one more season.

Both Dunn's and CMA's responses were honest and well thought out.   You'd expect that from coach, but Dunn would pause and really give great answers to questions that were specific to the game and not canned typical responses.     Would love to have him back in all regards both on and off the court, a very valuable kid to have.

He can't transfer anywhere.  Same with Toro.  Seniors with zero eligiblity left can only extend an extra year at their current school because of Covid year.  

 

[Knight]

Postgame presser

Sounds like Dunn returning is def on the table.

I didn't take it that way at all.

In this era, I wouldn't be shocked if he transferred to a higher profile team for one more season.

Both Dunn's and CMA's responses were honest and well thought out.   You'd expect that from coach, but Dunn would pause and really give great answers to questions that were specific to the game and not canned typical responses.     Would love to have him back in all regards both on and off the court, a very valuable kid to have.

He can't transfer anywhere.  Same with Toro.  Seniors with zero eligiblity left can only extend an extra year at their current school because of Covid year.  

I thought Toro was a grad student/