I wonder what the Marquette Board is up to today ? Think more than a few there are beserk over 4 Straight losses ? Our team hasn’t lost 4 in a row . But , Marquette has had a very good , near great year and I doubt few there are ready to jettison Wojo , even though he has had no answers for this fall off the cliff ..And , it’s gut wrenching winning for 35 minutes only to lose in the last 5 . Marquette really has no PG and Howard , like Ponds , has been run ragged by trying to do both , SG and PG. I guess Wojo’s at fault for not getting one ? I mean Mullin has been judged guilty for faulty recruiting here, why not Wojo too? And , after those 4 losses , think their fans are optimistic about the BE tourney ? Probably no ! But , starting Wednesday , all BE Teams are 0-0. It literally could be like the old NFL with the adage of ,” on any given Sunday, anything can happen .” Let’s Go Redmen !
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[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=329214]I wonder what the Marquette Board is up to today ? Think more than a few there are beserk over 4 Straight losses ? Our team hasn’t lost 4 in a row . But , Marquette has had a very good , near great year and I doubt few there are ready to jettison Wojo , even though he has had no answers for this fall off the cliff ..And , it’s gut wrenching winning for 35 minutes only to lose in the last 5 . Marquette really has no PG and Howard , like Ponds , has been run ragged by trying to do both , SG and PG. I guess Wojo’s at fault for not getting one ? I mean Mullin has been judged guilty for faulty recruiting here, why not Wojo too? And , after those 4 losses , think their fans are optimistic about the BE tourney ? Probably no ! But , starting Wednesday , all BE Teams are 0-0. It literally could be like the old NFL with the adage of ,” on any given Sunday, anything can happen .” Let’s Go Redmen ![/quote]
We suck and have developed into the worst team in the big east that looks like a mess every time we take the court but Marquette lost a few games. Gee I feel so much better now.
We suck and have developed into the worst team in the big east that looks like a mess every time we take the court but Marquette lost a few games. Gee I feel so much better now.
ronm
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[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=329214]I wonder what the Marquette Board is up to today ? Think more than a few there are beserk over 4 Straight losses ? Our team hasn’t lost 4 in a row . But , Marquette has had a very good , near great year and I doubt few there are ready to jettison Wojo , even though he has had no answers for this fall off the cliff ..And , it’s gut wrenching winning for 35 minutes only to lose in the last 5 . Marquette really has no PG and Howard , like Ponds , has been run ragged by trying to do both , SG and PG. I guess Wojo’s at fault for not getting one ? I mean Mullin has been judged guilty for faulty recruiting here, why not Wojo too? And , after those 4 losses , think their fans are optimistic about the BE tourney ? Probably no ! But , starting Wednesday , all BE Teams are 0-0. It literally could be like the old NFL with the adage of ,” on any given Sunday, anything can happen .” Let’s Go Redmen ![/quote]
What is your point?
What is your point?
[quote="ron " post=329225][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=329214]I wonder what the Marquette Board is up to today ? Think more than a few there are beserk over 4 Straight losses ? Our team hasn’t lost 4 in a row . But , Marquette has had a very good , near great year and I doubt few there are ready to jettison Wojo , even though he has had no answers for this fall off the cliff ..And , it’s gut wrenching winning for 35 minutes only to lose in the last 5 . Marquette really has no PG and Howard , like Ponds , has been run ragged by trying to do both , SG and PG. I guess Wojo’s at fault for not getting one ? I mean Mullin has been judged guilty for faulty recruiting here, why not Wojo too? And , after those 4 losses , think their fans are optimistic about the BE tourney ? Probably no ! But , starting Wednesday , all BE Teams are 0-0. It literally could be like the old NFL with the adage of ,” on any given Sunday, anything can happen .” Let’s Go Redmen ![/quote]
What is your point?[/quote]
It's under his hat...
What is your point?[/quote]
It's under his hat...
Our guys can change a lot of peoples perspective starting Wednesday night including mine which has taken a big hit. It would be just like this team to go and wake up now for a memorable run. Just when almost all have given up. Come on guys. Make it happen.
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[quote="Eric" post=329230]Our guys can change a lot of peoples perspective starting Wednesday night including mine which has taken a big hit. It would be just like this team to go and wake up now for a memorable run. Just when almost all have given up. Come on guys. Make it happen.[/quote]
When they wake up is one of them going to be 6'10" 260 pounds, with low post moves and shot blocking ability?
When they wake up is one of them going to be 6'10" 260 pounds, with low post moves and shot blocking ability?
[quote="Eric" post=329230]Our guys can change a lot of peoples perspective starting Wednesday night including mine which has taken a big hit. It would be just like this team to go and wake up now for a memorable run. Just when almost all have given up. Come on guys. Make it happen.[/quote]
Better find a way to stop Max Strus
Better find a way to stop Max Strus
In the 13 seasons prior to this one since DePaul joined the Big East, has anyone ever lost to them 3 times in the same year? I'm guessing chances are low given they won 3 conference games or less in 8 of those 13 seasons. What an incredible opportunity and challenge for this young staff to get presented with this early in their tenure. You can really build on and grow from experiences like this.
There was clearly some good this year but unfortunately the regular season fell well short of expectations. This wasn't a statement step forward. Instead on balance the season is hanging on by a thread. Too much talent and too light of a schedule to warrant that. Some highlights:
Playing on Wednesday in the BET 4 straight years is pathetic. 4 consecutive years under .500 in the conference is pathetic. Going 0-6 against DePaul, Providence, and Xavier who were a combined 8 games under .500 in conference is pathetic. Winning 1 less conference game than Seton Hall and Xavier with all they lost (including their coach) and 1 more conference game than Providence with all they lost (to say nothing of narrowly avoiding a last place tie in conference) is pathetic. The inability over 4 years to effectively recruit, develop, and keep an average big that this team needs so badly, rendering many of our games against teams with merely average big men a joke (like Saturday), is pathetic. Having 12 wins on Dec. 22, and only 20 wins on March 11, is pathetic.
Fortunately the year doesn't get decided in the regular season, and this staff/team has at least one more chance to avoid the entire season being described as pathetic. Seton Hall probably wasn't feeling too good about 5 days ago having lost 3 in a row, and two games later they are probably in better shape for the Tournament than we are (which is pathetic).
Go out and win 2 games and get to Friday night of the BET for the first time in 18 years. Remove any doubt next Sunday which was supposed to be the case pretty much from the start. Those things would be something besides pathetic.
In the game planning phase the next few days, devising or at least attempting to devise something besides exactly what got SJU to -17 / 0-2 over 80 minutes against DePaul this year might be prudent.
There was clearly some good this year but unfortunately the regular season fell well short of expectations. This wasn't a statement step forward. Instead on balance the season is hanging on by a thread. Too much talent and too light of a schedule to warrant that. Some highlights:
Playing on Wednesday in the BET 4 straight years is pathetic. 4 consecutive years under .500 in the conference is pathetic. Going 0-6 against DePaul, Providence, and Xavier who were a combined 8 games under .500 in conference is pathetic. Winning 1 less conference game than Seton Hall and Xavier with all they lost (including their coach) and 1 more conference game than Providence with all they lost (to say nothing of narrowly avoiding a last place tie in conference) is pathetic. The inability over 4 years to effectively recruit, develop, and keep an average big that this team needs so badly, rendering many of our games against teams with merely average big men a joke (like Saturday), is pathetic. Having 12 wins on Dec. 22, and only 20 wins on March 11, is pathetic.
Fortunately the year doesn't get decided in the regular season, and this staff/team has at least one more chance to avoid the entire season being described as pathetic. Seton Hall probably wasn't feeling too good about 5 days ago having lost 3 in a row, and two games later they are probably in better shape for the Tournament than we are (which is pathetic).
Go out and win 2 games and get to Friday night of the BET for the first time in 18 years. Remove any doubt next Sunday which was supposed to be the case pretty much from the start. Those things would be something besides pathetic.
In the game planning phase the next few days, devising or at least attempting to devise something besides exactly what got SJU to -17 / 0-2 over 80 minutes against DePaul this year might be prudent.
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[quote="SJU1512" post=329304]In the 13 seasons prior to this one since DePaul joined the Big East, has anyone ever lost to them 3 times in the same year? I'm guessing chances are low given they won 3 conference games or less in 8 of those 13 seasons. What an incredible opportunity and challenge for this young staff to get presented with this early in their tenure. You can really build on and grow from experiences like this.
There was clearly some good this year but unfortunately the regular season fell well short of expectations. This wasn't a statement step forward. Instead on balance the season is hanging on by a thread. Too much talent and too light of a schedule to warrant that. Some highlights:
Playing on Wednesday in the BET 4 straight years is pathetic. 4 consecutive years under .500 in the conference is pathetic. Going 0-6 against DePaul, Providence, and Xavier who were a combined 8 games under .500 in conference is pathetic. Winning 1 less conference game than Seton Hall and Xavier with all they lost (including their coach) and 1 more conference game than Providence with all they lost (to say nothing of narrowly avoiding a last place tie in conference) is pathetic. The inability over 4 years to effectively recruit, develop, and keep an average big that this team needs so badly, rendering many of our games against teams with merely average big men a joke (like Saturday), is pathetic. Having 12 wins on Dec. 22, and only 20 wins on March 11, is pathetic.
Fortunately the year doesn't get decided in the regular season, and this staff/team has at least one more chance to avoid the entire season being described as pathetic. Seton Hall probably wasn't feeling too good about 5 days ago having lost 3 in a row, and two games later they are probably in better shape for the Tournament than we are (which is pathetic).
Go out and win 2 games and get to Friday night of the BET for the first time in 18 years. Remove any doubt next Sunday which was supposed to be the case pretty much from the start. Those things would be something besides pathetic.
In the game planning phase the next few days, devising or at least attempting to devise something besides exactly what got SJU to -17 / 0-2 over 80 minutes against DePaul this year might be prudent.[/quote]
This is a pathetically good post. And that is pathetic for me to say that.
There was clearly some good this year but unfortunately the regular season fell well short of expectations. This wasn't a statement step forward. Instead on balance the season is hanging on by a thread. Too much talent and too light of a schedule to warrant that. Some highlights:
Playing on Wednesday in the BET 4 straight years is pathetic. 4 consecutive years under .500 in the conference is pathetic. Going 0-6 against DePaul, Providence, and Xavier who were a combined 8 games under .500 in conference is pathetic. Winning 1 less conference game than Seton Hall and Xavier with all they lost (including their coach) and 1 more conference game than Providence with all they lost (to say nothing of narrowly avoiding a last place tie in conference) is pathetic. The inability over 4 years to effectively recruit, develop, and keep an average big that this team needs so badly, rendering many of our games against teams with merely average big men a joke (like Saturday), is pathetic. Having 12 wins on Dec. 22, and only 20 wins on March 11, is pathetic.
Fortunately the year doesn't get decided in the regular season, and this staff/team has at least one more chance to avoid the entire season being described as pathetic. Seton Hall probably wasn't feeling too good about 5 days ago having lost 3 in a row, and two games later they are probably in better shape for the Tournament than we are (which is pathetic).
Go out and win 2 games and get to Friday night of the BET for the first time in 18 years. Remove any doubt next Sunday which was supposed to be the case pretty much from the start. Those things would be something besides pathetic.
In the game planning phase the next few days, devising or at least attempting to devise something besides exactly what got SJU to -17 / 0-2 over 80 minutes against DePaul this year might be prudent.[/quote]
This is a pathetically good post. And that is pathetic for me to say that.
[quote="REB" post=329242][quote="Eric" post=329230]Our guys can change a lot of peoples perspective starting Wednesday night including mine which has taken a big hit. It would be just like this team to go and wake up now for a memorable run. Just when almost all have given up. Come on guys. Make it happen.[/quote]
When they wake up is one of them going to be 6'10" 260 pounds, with low post moves and shot blocking ability?[/quote]
We can win this no matter a big or not. Will we win is the question. Based on our play recently no. Based on how we can potentially play yes. If our guys play to their good potential and stop this free fall play we can win big man for us or not.
When they wake up is one of them going to be 6'10" 260 pounds, with low post moves and shot blocking ability?[/quote]
We can win this no matter a big or not. Will we win is the question. Based on our play recently no. Based on how we can potentially play yes. If our guys play to their good potential and stop this free fall play we can win big man for us or not.
[quote="DoodyNY33" post=329286][quote="Eric" post=329230]Our guys can change a lot of peoples perspective starting Wednesday night including mine which has taken a big hit. It would be just like this team to go and wake up now for a memorable run. Just when almost all have given up. Come on guys. Make it happen.[/quote]
Better find a way to stop Max Strus[/quote]
Strus and Femi we must find a way
Better find a way to stop Max Strus[/quote]
Strus and Femi we must find a way
Redmen88
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For the first time in over 30 years I have no interest in watching SJ play in the BE tournament. The last 2 weeks has been like watching a slow plane crash. No matter how hard they try they just can't right the plane. I might watch if they play Marquette on Thursday but I cannot be relegated to the Wednesday night game AGAIN. I really hope they get an invite to plan in the dance, but they are trending fast and furious in the other direction. Really an awful end to what started out as a very promising season.
[quote="Knight" post=329376]We can rescue the season by first winning on Wednesday. Good showing on Thursday, and one win in the regular bracket at the Dance.
This scenario does not seem too far fetched, to me.[/quote]
Agree Knight. Beat DePaul, take Marquette down to the buzzer, maybe posting a ‘surprise’ 3rd win against them,win 1 in the Dance.
That’d be 3-2 to end the year, 23-13.
Many here would view that to be ‘progress’.
I would.
This scenario does not seem too far fetched, to me.[/quote]
Agree Knight. Beat DePaul, take Marquette down to the buzzer, maybe posting a ‘surprise’ 3rd win against them,win 1 in the Dance.
That’d be 3-2 to end the year, 23-13.
Many here would view that to be ‘progress’.
I would.
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=329214]I wonder what the Marquette Board is up to today ? Think more than a few there are beserk over 4 Straight losses ? Our team hasn’t lost 4 in a row . But , Marquette has had a very good , near great year and I doubt few there are ready to jettison Wojo , even though he has had no answers for this fall off the cliff ..And , it’s gut wrenching winning for 35 minutes only to lose in the last 5 . Marquette really has no PG and Howard , like Ponds , has been run ragged by trying to do both , SG and PG. I guess Wojo’s at fault for not getting one ? I mean Mullin has been judged guilty for faulty recruiting here, why not Wojo too? And , after those 4 losses , think their fans are optimistic about the BE tourney ? Probably no ! But , starting Wednesday , all BE Teams are 0-0. It literally could be like the old NFL with the adage of ,” on any given Sunday, anything can happen .” Let’s Go Redmen ![/quote]
Problem is we won't be playing DePaul (or anyone else) on "any given Sunday."
Problem is we won't be playing DePaul (or anyone else) on "any given Sunday."
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JackofVirginia
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[quote="P Simmons" post=329064][quote="JackofVirginia" post=329041][quote="Chris7" post=329003]I was extremely disappointed after making the trip to last nights debacle of a game. However, I woke up this morning remembering it’s March.
It’s new life. This team can beat anyone and can lose to anyone. Time to run the table and put the past behind us. Let’s go![/quote]
Disappointed to say the least. Mullin has one senior, three juniors, and one soph starting. No way a coach finishes seventh with that much experience. And Ewing has three freshmen starting and improving. Just think what Mullin will do with a whole bunch of new players. Future is not bright as long as this staff remains.[/quote]
Ewing also has Jessie Govan, an outstanding, experienced big man. Put Govan on our roster and the results would have been drastically different.[/quote]
Granted Govan is experienced but no way is he outstanding. Never felt he was aggressive enough. Wouldn't be surprised if the NBA scouts feel the same. No doubt Govan would have been an asset to our team.
It’s new life. This team can beat anyone and can lose to anyone. Time to run the table and put the past behind us. Let’s go![/quote]
Disappointed to say the least. Mullin has one senior, three juniors, and one soph starting. No way a coach finishes seventh with that much experience. And Ewing has three freshmen starting and improving. Just think what Mullin will do with a whole bunch of new players. Future is not bright as long as this staff remains.[/quote]
Ewing also has Jessie Govan, an outstanding, experienced big man. Put Govan on our roster and the results would have been drastically different.[/quote]
Granted Govan is experienced but no way is he outstanding. Never felt he was aggressive enough. Wouldn't be surprised if the NBA scouts feel the same. No doubt Govan would have been an asset to our team.
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Coaster1955
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Should we start a poll now for which player(s) will be ineligible, suspended, injured, not available, or any other version of absent for Wednesday night?
His mind doesn't have to go back any further than the last game, as they've lost 3 in a row, 4 of 5, and 5 of 8 almost the exact same way they lost on Saturday.
Crushed on the boards (particularly offensive rebounding disparity), crushed on second chance points, crushed on points in the paint, crushed in free throw attempts/made, and crushed on bench points.
The last of these has the potentially season-long as well as in-game cumulative effect on wearing down the starters, which is probably a big reason SJU has lost 9 of 10 2nd halves since January ended. Let alone finishing the season looking fatigued as has largely been the case. When you are reliant upon 5 guys at 30 mpg or more (with nobody else above even 20mpg), and a large % of the total production, this is what can happen
This is not the players' fault. They played insanely hard for a large majority of the season, were primarily reliant on 5 players, and won multiple games (Cal, VCU, GTech, @Gtown, @Marq, Butler, and Nova come to mind) largely on guts and effort. Couple of those games go the other direction and we are talking about needing to win the BET, not just beat DePaul.
Hopefully they'll get a little adrenaline bump to restart things a little bit. But the staff owes it to this team to try something different (1) specifically to beat DePaul, and (2) perhaps more importantly something different than what has driven many of the recent losses, particularly in the 2nd half. It's been like watching the same game over and over.
Particular area of focus might be settling less for jumpers and getting more action going towards the basket / get to free throw line. We have become way too perimeter oriented. Accomplishing this will require actual strategy as teams are clearly just loading up and daring us to shoot it. Particularly with Ponds, they are going 1 and 2 under almost every time he gets it. Think about how many (incredible) buckets Ponds was getting at the rim earlier in the season, even a month ago. Teams have really shut that off of late and we would benefit from opening that back up, getting Ponds the ball on the move and at different angles to change the look defensively.
Crushed on the boards (particularly offensive rebounding disparity), crushed on second chance points, crushed on points in the paint, crushed in free throw attempts/made, and crushed on bench points.
The last of these has the potentially season-long as well as in-game cumulative effect on wearing down the starters, which is probably a big reason SJU has lost 9 of 10 2nd halves since January ended. Let alone finishing the season looking fatigued as has largely been the case. When you are reliant upon 5 guys at 30 mpg or more (with nobody else above even 20mpg), and a large % of the total production, this is what can happen
This is not the players' fault. They played insanely hard for a large majority of the season, were primarily reliant on 5 players, and won multiple games (Cal, VCU, GTech, @Gtown, @Marq, Butler, and Nova come to mind) largely on guts and effort. Couple of those games go the other direction and we are talking about needing to win the BET, not just beat DePaul.
Hopefully they'll get a little adrenaline bump to restart things a little bit. But the staff owes it to this team to try something different (1) specifically to beat DePaul, and (2) perhaps more importantly something different than what has driven many of the recent losses, particularly in the 2nd half. It's been like watching the same game over and over.
Particular area of focus might be settling less for jumpers and getting more action going towards the basket / get to free throw line. We have become way too perimeter oriented. Accomplishing this will require actual strategy as teams are clearly just loading up and daring us to shoot it. Particularly with Ponds, they are going 1 and 2 under almost every time he gets it. Think about how many (incredible) buckets Ponds was getting at the rim earlier in the season, even a month ago. Teams have really shut that off of late and we would benefit from opening that back up, getting Ponds the ball on the move and at different angles to change the look defensively.
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