Baruch Game

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Box Score

To me the two biggest takeaways are
1. Sima 3-3 from the line
2. We managed to hold Billy Sixsmith scoreless

Regarding #1:

Team was 13-14 FT shooting (and that's with no attempts from Ponds, who should be alright from there). While I wish we would save a performance like that for a close regular season game, I do think that we will be much improved from the line overall.

Sima will never be a great FT shooter (not with those giant hands), but most of his misses last year were on target, but short. I think he can max out at around 60%.
 
I thought the gray unis were OK, as an alternate 3rd look. The kids like having new uniforms to debut, even if it's just for one game.

Maybe Mullin was using them as preseason uniforms. Won't breakout the red and whites till the regular season opener.
 
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/stjo/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2016-17/box_score/stats_20161101aaa.pdf

Box Score

To me the two biggest takeaways are
1. Sima 3-3 from the line
2. We managed to hold Billy Sixsmith scoreless

Regarding #1:

Team was 13-14 FT shooting (and that's with no attempts from Ponds, who should be alright from there). While I wish we would save a performance like that for a close regular season game, I do think that we will be much improved from the line overall.

Sima will never be a great FT shooter (not with those giant hands), but most of his misses last year were on target, but short. I think he can max out at around 60%.

So are you trying to say no great free throw shooter has ever been well endowed? ;)
Chris Mullin takes exception to that!
 
What was often lost in the debate over disappointing early season results under prior regimes (sky is falling v. it's early/meaningless) is that there are certain things great teams - and teams that want to be great - do every single time they hit the floor. True at every level; St. Anthony's and Duke are who they are because they have talent and are well-coached, but they build habits such that watching them play you wouldn't know if it's July or October or March. That type of discipline and care factor is how winning becomes a habit.

What was refreshing about last night was for the first time in a long time (including last year), that approach was evident. There was plenty of rust, especially early, against an inferior team. But there was energy, attention to detail, ball pressure, closing out hard on shooters, huddling quickly and consistently at the foul line, diving for loose balls, and when a guy went flying into the bench the whole team sprinted over to pick him up.

Lineups and rotations are flexible but we didn't waste 40 minutes throwing lineups against the wall in revolving door fashion to see what might work. After the summer and fall and a month of practice you have an idea what it's going to look like and with less than two weeks until game 1 you use every opportunity to develop it. We did that last night too, seemingly based on merit and who gives us the best chance to win and not seniority or anything else. Beautiful.

We may not gel until February, but that isn't going to be set as the public expectation as that can have a trickle down effect on the team. To the contra if you demand the effort I saw last night it eventually becomes contagious and so does winning. We are supposed to beat Baruch by 50 and it was great to see this team do what they are supposed to do so that we aren't having the same old justification debate today. Good for them.

As usual, excellent post! The ingredients noted in conjunction with budding talent should result in an enjoyable, productive season setting the course for very good things next season. We'll have some bumps in the road, but clearly the process should bear fruit. Imagine having a solid, sustainable program v year to year frenzy. I'll especially enjoy this year no matter where we finish in BE & post season play, knowing the foundation may be where it should be.

Thanks, Paultz, and agree with you regarding outlook for this season. Building towards next year obviously the key, but seeing this foundation am more convinced than ever we may only be one year away not just from short term but repetitive/sustainable success, which only makes this year’s squad more enjoyable as you note.

Fighting urge to take too much away from a scrimmage v. D3 comp, couple of things that jump out:

1. Lovett/Ponds/Ahmed are high-level Big East talent as advertised. Add Mussini and Ellison in roles as opposed to go-to tandem and we are ready to roll 1-3 in most games this season.

2. Related, biggest positive of night was RF IMO. Competition aside, he’s long, he’s athletic, he’s skilled, and has a great feel for the game. Needs to get stronger as is obvious and has been stated, and may find himself in some uncomfortable defensive matchups underneath. But he’s further along than I thought, including moving feet defensively on perimeter, fighting through ball screens, and using length to make up for space created. Greater tests to come with some of the 3s he will likely have to guard in our conference, but encouraging first real look. He may be the best NBA prospect on the roster.

3. Biggest eyebrow raiser were our bigs. Sima looked bigger but much the same, liked Owens energy especially on the backboards, and am hoping for Yawke was mostly an issue of gameflow not coming his way. But am hoping to see more early in the season here, especially Sima/Owens, as while I love the ability to have a look with Yawke at the 5, I don’t want that to be a default. At a minimum, these guys should be walking around campus looking for passes – with Lovett and Ponds they clearly need to be ready at all times!
 
3. Biggest eyebrow raiser were our bigs. Sima looked bigger but much the same, liked Owens energy especially on the backboards, and am hoping for Yawke was mostly an issue of gameflow not coming his way. But am hoping to see more early in the season here, especially Sima/Owens, as while I love the ability to have a look with Yawke at the 5, I don’t want that to be a default. At a minimum, these guys should be walking around campus looking for passes – with Lovett and Ponds they clearly need to be ready at all times!

The passing was phenomenal including Mussini and Sima (as the passer). Disappointing to see a few fumbles but if they get this down that makes for great basketball.
 
Good game. Did anyone take notice of the coaching during the game? Was St. Jean running the show? Mullin?
 
3. Biggest eyebrow raiser were our bigs. Sima looked bigger but much the same, liked Owens energy especially on the backboards, and am hoping for Yawke was mostly an issue of gameflow not coming his way. But am hoping to see more early in the season here, especially Sima/Owens, as while I love the ability to have a look with Yawke at the 5, I don’t want that to be a default. At a minimum, these guys should be walking around campus looking for passes – with Lovett and Ponds they clearly need to be ready at all times!

The passing was phenomenal including Mussini and Sima (as the passer). Disappointing to see a few fumbles but if they get this down that makes for great basketball.

Agree. Ahmed and RF with some good looks as well. Team looked to find open man and there was good movement away from the ball in the half-court, and assist numbers reflected that.

To your point on Sima passing well out of high and low post, should note was not all bad from bigs by any stretch. Each did some nice things. Just didn't seem to establish presence which was surprising given comp. Hoping it's ultimate small sample size and we see solid development here in the early OOC schedule.
 
Very much encouraged by some of the performances, but we need to temper the enthusiasm with the very real assessment that looking very bad vs. a D3 team is a much better indicator than looking very good. Based on some of the video I saw and commentary, the very good news is that this has the makings of a pass first, shoot second mentality and that could make for some excellent basketball. Even the great CM here at SJU would pass up an open shot if he could find a teammate for an easier shot.

To me at least it suffices for now that there is a lot more talent and depth on this year's roster. Is it enough to win consistently in the Big East - maybe not yet, but with a balanced roster we are building towards a team deep with bigs and smalls, and will not be loaded up with an entire roster of upperclassmen that are mostly guards. That alone is reason to be enthused.
 
Agree. Ahmed and RF with some good looks as well. Team looked to find open man and there was good movement away from the ball in the half-court, and assist numbers reflected that.

To your point on Sima passing well out of high and low post, should note was not all bad from bigs by any stretch. Each did some nice things. Just didn't seem to establish presence which was surprising given comp. Hoping it's ultimate small sample size and we see solid development here in the early OOC schedule.

should have mentioned them too. RF is surprisingly skilled and POISED in pretty much every aspect of the game. Even if he gets set back a little adjusting to the physicality and speed as the comp increases, excellent foundation and glad he got to shine in front of his family.

Regarding speed, I think Lovett was in 2nd gear the whole game. He's got a whole lot more to call on at will and impressive that he didn't force it. Also impressed that Bashir didn't force it when he clearly could have.
 
Good game. Did anyone take notice of the coaching during the game? Was St. Jean running the show? Mullin?

Although St. Jean did some coaching (as he should), Mullin was much more engaged than last year.
 
Sima is the only one who seemed to come out with less than I expected against a small team. At least he shot well from line. Just never see him play with much intensity.

Beyond Holifield. noticed what looked like a few other walk-ons in sweats high fiving and walking off w/ team from mid court[/quote]


Not walk-ons. I think they were Justin Simon (Zona) and Marvin Clark (MSU). They were not only high fiving but doing some coaching with Owens at a break. Walk-ons wouldn't be doing that.

I was most impressed by Ahmed and Freudenberg but Lovett and Ponds showed they really work well together in the second half.

This team will be very impressive by the end of the year,

This really is the beginning of a new era for SJU basketball.
 
Trying to keep in mind the competition, a lot of positives on the offensive end.

1) Ball movement much better. Lovett impressive at point. Mussini should get better looks being fed by Lovett and Ponds.
2) Ahmed a beast. Can score from outside and also create off penetration.
3) Yakwe with limited touches appears to have developed a little more offensively with his J.
4) Freudenberg really impressed with his poise and smarts. Feathery touch
5) Lovett and Ponds are ball thiefs. Loved their stealing capabilities and their pressure in the full court press.

On the downside
1) Bigs still have not shown they can handle a big physical body. Both Sima and Yakwe are superlative in shot blocking. Can they defend against the 6'9" 250 types? Ochefu type of players
2) Defense against threes in early first half was disappointing but picked up as game went on. As they play teams with better ball movement will they consistently defend three?
3) Williams blocked some shots and got some reebs. Not much on scoring side.
 
Backcourt observations (*from one lopsided exhibition against a D3 opponent):

LoVett/Ponds backcourt is going to be pretty fantastic. It'll definitely be fun to watch them develop this year, but If that tandem is around as upperclassman...oh my goodness.

Both good passers. Both have great energy on defense. Ponds in particular has a knack for getting in passing lanes. Lovett seemed to gamble a lot for steals (letting his man pass him and then poking it from behind) hopefully that was him understanding he was playing inferior competition rather than a go-to defensive maneuver he'll try against seasoned Big East guards. Ponds jump shot wasn't falling last night (0-5 on 3's) but anyone who saw him play in high school knows he can stick those. LoVett didn't penetrate with the ball as much as I thought he would but that's gotta be coming (made a couple nice cuts without the ball interestingly). He may be the best pure ball handler we've ever had? Also his communication on the court was great. He was always talking. Mussini as a third guard with these guys will have a much more efficient year. I bet he'll average around the same PPG with decreased minutes. 3pt % will go up and turnovers will go down both as a result of not being the primary ball handler. Excited to see how improved Ellison will be since the buzz has been good. Talk to me again after we lose to MSU by 30 though...
 
Thanks all for the updates during the game and synopsis afterwards. I was not able to attend or view on ESPN3 so this is greatly appreciated. My two cents based on the information and pictures posted here:

1. I like the grey uniforms (we have won grey unis in the recent past also, not sure about last year, but definitely the year before that and maybe earlier also) especially with the red trim and NYC Skyline on the shorts). Kids like wearing various unis and this neutral color and style fits. I am sure we will also see the traditional white with red trim and red with withe trim during the season.

2. Based on the picture I saw with Ellison and Clark, any other person attired similarly probably was Simon. The only walk-on is returnee Holyfield who according to the boxscore saw action. (There are also a few team managers with some height this year).

3. I am not looking for a wholesale boast in scoring from our bigs, but improvement. Also need more rebounding from both. I hope Owens can help their, but I do expect him to get push around some.

4. Mussini will be better because he will be playing off the ball more, will have a year under his belt where he has learned and gained knowledge of what to expect both physically and mentally, he has help and there is less pressure.

5. Can't wait for the season to begin.
 
I also have to agree with what Jack said above: man, do our bigs need to develop softer hands! Numerous drop offs underneath were mishandled. Far too many. And only one was a rwalk zip pass.
They've gotta be ready to catch the ball and just go up with it.

Agreed, don't want a repeat of Omar's one year at STJ where there were so many TOs because guys just weren't ready and able to catch great passes.
 
I was really happy with what I saw last night. You know you're a fan when you sit in front of a computer watching a replay of an exhibition game against a Division 3 school! I tend to be an optimist when it comes to our team but one thing that seems really promising is how well they seem to get along and enjoy playing together. I saw a lot of encouragement and support from every player on the floor. Again, it's early but it feels like we shouldn't have the same type of drama surrounding the program like we've had the past few years. Did any of you watch the halftime piece on media day? It was really entertaining and again, seemed to show that these kids really like each other and Coach Mullin......

Really looking forward to November 11th!!
 
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