I don't think beating an unranked Villanova team on the road is the game that will get people who stopped paying close attention to the program to pay $75 for a Wednesday night game against an unranked Providence.
Attendance
- Thread starter Eric
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7PM isn't a tough ask.
Go back and reread your post, not sure how you can say that couldn't be interpreted as directed at me given I gave an "excuse". These aren't "excuses" for everyone, they're reality for many people.
Villanova is still a name that resonates.
Please take this with a grain of salt but you know what grinds my gear? People with the arrogance to tell other people how to live their lives. I have a particular poster on “ignore”, not because I don’t find many of his posts informative and entertaining, I do; but because he has the same belief that he can “bully” or “shame” or “ridicule” people into how to spend their time or their money.
I am a diehard Johnnies fan who DOES NOT attend games, which is my prerogative, just like it is yours to attend. My last word on the subject, but enjoy SJU in your way but respect other people who choose to do it differently than you.
Sure, but they aren't Jay Wright's Villanova team anymore. We've talked ourselves on this board how they aren't. I'd be curious to know what the TV ratings were for last week.
Redenbacher
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Pitino's first game at MSG as our coach was a major event. It was all over the media, there was huge anticipation, there were pyrotechnics at the game itself, etc. You cannot compare that to playing unranked Providence at this point in the season.
You have to look at the context and history of this program. Lavin's first year, an exciting time, we played #11 ranked Georgetown at MSG on a Monday night at 7pm. 8,900 people showed up.
I love Pitino, but he is not going to change this overnight.
If our OOC season unfolded with beating Michigan, beating Dayton but losing to Houston, beating Boston College, and the BE the way it was, I think we'd see a lot more hype this year.
I'm not saying this is how it should be. But the brand of St. John's basketball is of a program that consistently underachieves and disappoints, and unfortunately, played right into that narrative in November (which if you're a diehard fan like us, was absolutely understandable).
I'm not saying this is how it should be. But the brand of St. John's basketball is of a program that consistently underachieves and disappoints, and unfortunately, played right into that narrative in November (which if you're a diehard fan like us, was absolutely understandable).
I totally agree Villanova isn't Wright's group, but their name is still well-known and respected nationally. I know they've hit a rough patch at this juncture of the season, but it wouldn't surprise me to see 'em get their crap in order.
SJUDave
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Oh please, if you're offended by die hard fans (along with your hall-of-fame coach) being pissed off that their fellow fans aren't coming to games you need a reality check. RIck Pitino has called out the awful attendance by the fans for the Boston College game at Barclays and UBS arena for Hofstra. The coach knows the kids need the crowd - so yes it is your choice to do whatever you please - but don't act like it is cool for the garden to be empty for this group.
No one is telling you how to live your life, being a fan means supporting the team, part of that is showing up and helping be the difference.
Sure there are many different ways to be a fan, but the point of this all is - this team has been GARBAGE for 20 years. Fans have been patient, now you finally are developing a winner, with a hall of fame coach, and it's still not enough to get 15k at MSG?
How are you or anyone interpreting anything I'm saying as not ultimately that is someone that is intentionally looking to be offended.
Hey, I'm one of Kyle Neptune's defenders on this board. They also didn't have Moore, who is key for them. I just don't think that win resonated with the casuals we want to show up on Wednesday. It definitely resonated with national writers.
Actually, it did resonated with casuals as a couple of casual fans (non-Johnnies fans) "congratulated" me on the Johnnies' win versus Villanova.
"Name" wins usually resonate with the casuals. Well-versed, die hards, and fans who keep up with the game know better so to speak.
SJUDave
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So the team winning 3 in a row, 5-1 in their last 6, just doing something they haven't since 1993 on Saturday none of that is good enough?
I got a text as well. But, they didn't say "we gotta go to a game".
People are watching, interest is there.
Hey man. I understand being frustrated about attendance and stuff, but this fan base is not awful
Also the reality of the situation is we play in NYC. It’s not the easiest place to get around. When I was a student at St. John’s I went to pretty much every home game, after college I lived in Brooklyn for awhile and i went to significantly less games. Life gets in the way a lot post college (at least that’s my experience)
I wanted to play Providence game on campus until I realized students aren’t back from break yet. Cause my experience as a student is that the on campus housing community did a great job supporting the team at games.
But when the games at MSG, those students then have to get on a bus, get to the F train, go to MSG, and then come back late (the 169th street station isn’t very fun late at night I’m sorry, they wouldn’t get back too late from a 6:30 game but I’m just saying)
It’s suddenly a much different ask.
I get the frustration and where you’re coming from but its also one of those things where even if excuses bother you, they are valid excuses a lot of the time and it makes sense why the numbers aren’t where we’d like them to be
re: Attendance... think we are speaking in a vacuum here. At of those of us on here that could* attend a game- i would say the overwhelming majority will go in person. It's the 12-15,000 people Not* on here that We need to Go lol...
With Rick's hire, we saw the immediate results in Season ticket sales. At CA- the third tier has been pretty packed each game- which is a vast improvement there.
To Pack MSG however... going to need more Headlines / Consistent Wins / a number by our name probably... That will take time.
With Rick's hire, we saw the immediate results in Season ticket sales. At CA- the third tier has been pretty packed each game- which is a vast improvement there.
To Pack MSG however... going to need more Headlines / Consistent Wins / a number by our name probably... That will take time.
Redenbacher
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Good enough for what? What do you deem to be an acceptable attendance this Wed?
I agree. We just gotta settle down and let this team continue to turn heads. The social media era we live in is crazy, all it takes is one moment, one highlight, one win that catches on online, and suddenly we’re a hot ticket.
With pitino this thing could pop off at any moment. Honestly I’m not worried about the attendance aspect of it, I know how badly we all want to continue to see this program rise.
But my mentality right now is keep winning and keep inching closer to solidifying ourselves as a tournament team. We have Pitino now… if we get into the bracket who knows what could happen
We’re gonna have the better coach and better big man in any March Madness game we find ourselves in. Sign me up!