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[mjmaherjr]

Sina should have went to Northwestern.

now he's transferring to northeastern

 

[Red.Fans]

I said it the day he took Tiny Morton. Willard sold his soul to the devil and will live to regret that decision.

Truth. But none of us thought that it would happen so fast.

 

[austour]

Calling @Andrew2

Lol. I was waiting for that. I think we should take the Marillac approach and wait until April to see what happens. I don't think most on here were expecting that Seton Hall would be ahead in the standings with a win in hand at this point in the season.

I prefer to think that STJ is up one game in the loss column. Also find it hard to see SH winning more than 2 more reg season games. Third would be at STJ. That better not happen.

 

[paultzman]

Paultzman:

You said in the Jordan Status? thread

"I suggest you look at Seton Hall which is in Metro area in a lousy location with a so so campus. They seem to be attracting solid kids recently facing same challenges as SJU. However they are accomplishing that, it would appear it can be done. Like Tiny or not, SH appears to be putting in the work to succeed. Recruits appear to be finding SH to be a good destination. In the long run can they sustain that? I think so, but who knows. It is not about geography, facilities, kids leaving NYC, etc. It is more about leadership and surmounting those shortcomings Imo."

Do you still think St. John's should follow the Seton Hall program building model and recruiting plan?

I said it the day he took Tiny Morton. Willard sold his soul to the devil and will live to regret that decision.

For the fifth time I initially responded to a topic contending SJU did not have failities & was impeded by geography & used SH as an example of a local program that could succeed despite that. I noted leadership could overcome that & was not implying Willard was John Wooden. Never said anything about emulating SH model. If you must feel otherwise be my guest.

 

[austour]

Paultzman:

You said in the Jordan Status? thread

"I suggest you look at Seton Hall which is in Metro area in a lousy location with a so so campus. They seem to be attracting solid kids recently facing same challenges as SJU. However they are accomplishing that, it would appear it can be done. Like Tiny or not, SH appears to be putting in the work to succeed. Recruits appear to be finding SH to be a good destination. In the long run can they sustain that? I think so, but who knows. It is not about geography, facilities, kids leaving NYC, etc. It is more about leadership and surmounting those shortcomings Imo."

Do you still think St. John's should follow the Seton Hall program building model and recruiting plan?

I said it the day he took Tiny Morton. Willard sold his soul to the devil and will live to regret that decision.

For the fifth time I initially responded to a topic contending SJU did not have failities & was impeded by geography & used SH as an example of a local program that could succeed despite that. I noted leadership could overcome that & was not implying Willard was John Wooden. Never said anything about emulating SH model. If you must feel otherwise be my guest.

Could succeed or was succeeding? Because if it was the latter there is an implicit endorsement of how they were doing it even in the way you are phrasing it now. If it was could succeed, well time will tell if they are able to do it the right way eventually but it seems clear that they're not doing that now nor with their recruitment of the class of 2014.

 

[MJDinkins]

Paultzman:

You said in the Jordan Status? thread

"I suggest you look at Seton Hall which is in Metro area in a lousy location with a so so campus. They seem to be attracting solid kids recently facing same challenges as SJU. However they are accomplishing that, it would appear it can be done. Like Tiny or not, SH appears to be putting in the work to succeed. Recruits appear to be finding SH to be a good destination. In the long run can they sustain that? I think so, but who knows. It is not about geography, facilities, kids leaving NYC, etc. It is more about leadership and surmounting those shortcomings Imo."

Do you still think St. John's should follow the Seton Hall program building model and recruiting plan?

I said it the day he took Tiny Morton. Willard sold his soul to the devil and will live to regret that decision.

I've long agreed with what Paultz stated in the latter part of his post (which I placed in bold). I've said much similar when it comes to St. John's. Bill, like yourself, I never assumed or thought this was sustainable for Seton Hall. I don't know why some folks immediately felt they could do so. I know some felt that way before the games even started. While, a few others believed it because they started off the season with a bang, as well, as had some quality, local kids attend games of their early, season out of conference and conference wins. Although, the book isn't yet written on their season, I felt Willard was building a house of cards.

Has anyone ever built a house of cards? I did many times when I was a kid. It can look pretty and artistic. But the slightest of breeze or a faint kick or swing at it, and it all comes tumbling down.

Frankly, as, most of us long knew, Willard landed this current freshmen class by landing assistant coaches. But I guess it doesn't matter how he landed them, as long as they won games. There was a possibility he could've built off of it, and landed recruits on his own muscle with some success. The season isn't over and they may turn it around. Though, I have a hunch these next three road games will send them into the abyss.

 

[billthetruth]

Paultzman:

You said in the Jordan Status? thread

"I suggest you look at Seton Hall which is in Metro area in a lousy location with a so so campus. They seem to be attracting solid kids recently facing same challenges as SJU. However they are accomplishing that, it would appear it can be done. Like Tiny or not, SH appears to be putting in the work to succeed. Recruits appear to be finding SH to be a good destination. In the long run can they sustain that? I think so, but who knows. It is not about geography, facilities, kids leaving NYC, etc. It is more about leadership and surmounting those shortcomings Imo."

Do you still think St. John's should follow the Seton Hall program building model and recruiting plan?

I said it the day he took Tiny Morton. Willard sold his soul to the devil and will live to regret that decision.

For the fifth time I initially responded to a topic contending SJU did not have failities & was impeded by geography & used SH as an example of a local program that could succeed despite that. I noted leadership could overcome that & was not implying Willard was John Wooden. Never said anything about emulating SH model. If you must feel otherwise be my guest.

Could succeed or was succeeding? Because if it was the latter there is an implicit endorsement of how they were doing it even in the way you are phrasing it now. If it was could succeed, well time will tell if they are able to do it the right way eventually but it seems clear that they're not doing that now nor with their recruitment of the class of 2014.

We also had another thread saying the defining moment for St. John's basketball came when Lavin did not take the Whitehead package deal...LMAO

 

[panther2]

Interesting tweet from the editor of the Seton Hall newspaper. Sometimes these kids are more plugged in than the major media guys.

Gary Phillips @GPhillips2727
Everyone that I have talked to, including Sina, have all said the same thing: Isaiah Whitehead is the root of Seton Hall's problems #shbb

blame the kid but it wasn't him that created the situation. that is the real "root" of the problem.

I hear what you are saying Paul but the fact of the matter is that Isaiah and his family turned over control of Isaiah's basketball future to Tiny. This is one of the biggest problems today. Tiny had a contract with Under Armour which covered both Lincoln HS and his AAU team, Juice All Stars. He was very well compensated. You better believe that he was taking care of Isaiah and his family. In return they gave Tiny control of all basketball decisions regarding Isaiah.
The problem is parents not taking control of their children's lives. They accept short term gain instead of looking at the big picture. Once you sell your soul to the Devil, it is hard to get it back.
I had a player on my AAU team a while ago whose high school coach also had an AAU team. The player's father told the high school coach that he wanted his son to play on my team during the spring and summer so that he would have the opportunity to play with different. players. The coach got upset and had a physical altercation with the player's father.

 

[paultzman]

Paultzman:

You said in the Jordan Status? thread

"I suggest you look at Seton Hall which is in Metro area in a lousy location with a so so campus. They seem to be attracting solid kids recently facing same challenges as SJU. However they are accomplishing that, it would appear it can be done. Like Tiny or not, SH appears to be putting in the work to succeed. Recruits appear to be finding SH to be a good destination. In the long run can they sustain that? I think so, but who knows. It is not about geography, facilities, kids leaving NYC, etc. It is more about leadership and surmounting those shortcomings Imo."

Do you still think St. John's should follow the Seton Hall program building model and recruiting plan?

I said it the day he took Tiny Morton. Willard sold his soul to the devil and will live to regret that decision.

For the fifth time I initially responded to a topic contending SJU did not have failities & was impeded by geography & used SH as an example of a local program that could succeed despite that. I noted leadership could overcome that & was not implying Willard was John Wooden. Never said anything about emulating SH model. If you must feel otherwise be my guest.

Could succeed or was succeeding? Because if it was the latter there is an implicit endorsement of how they were doing it even in the way you are phrasing it now. If it was could succeed, well time will tell if they are able to do it the right way eventually but it seems clear that they're not doing that now nor with their recruitment of the class of 2014.

We also had another thread saying the defining moment for St. John's basketball came when Lavin did not take the Whitehead package deal...LMAO

Which I thought was nonsense.

 

[billthetruth]

Hope Whitehead can get his act together soon enough to avoid taking a seat on the Jermaine Lawrence "wasted talent" express train to oblivion.

 

[billthetruth]

Paultzman:

You said in the Jordan Status? thread

"I suggest you look at Seton Hall which is in Metro area in a lousy location with a so so campus. They seem to be attracting solid kids recently facing same challenges as SJU. However they are accomplishing that, it would appear it can be done. Like Tiny or not, SH appears to be putting in the work to succeed. Recruits appear to be finding SH to be a good destination. In the long run can they sustain that? I think so, but who knows. It is not about geography, facilities, kids leaving NYC, etc. It is more about leadership and surmounting those shortcomings Imo."

Do you still think St. John's should follow the Seton Hall program building model and recruiting plan?

I said it the day he took Tiny Morton. Willard sold his soul to the devil and will live to regret that decision.

For the fifth time I initially responded to a topic contending SJU did not have failities & was impeded by geography & used SH as an example of a local program that could succeed despite that. I noted leadership could overcome that & was not implying Willard was John Wooden. Never said anything about emulating SH model. If you must feel otherwise be my guest.

Could succeed or was succeeding? Because if it was the latter there is an implicit endorsement of how they were doing it even in the way you are phrasing it now. If it was could succeed, well time will tell if they are able to do it the right way eventually but it seems clear that they're not doing that now nor with their recruitment of the class of 2014.

We also had another thread saying the defining moment for St. John's basketball came when Lavin did not take the Whitehead package deal...LMAO

Which I thought was nonsense.

I agree Paultzman

 

[redmen2014champs]

Paultzman:

You said in the Jordan Status? thread

"I suggest you look at Seton Hall which is in Metro area in a lousy location with a so so campus. They seem to be attracting solid kids recently facing same challenges as SJU. However they are accomplishing that, it would appear it can be done. Like Tiny or not, SH appears to be putting in the work to succeed. Recruits appear to be finding SH to be a good destination. In the long run can they sustain that? I think so, but who knows. It is not about geography, facilities, kids leaving NYC, etc. It is more about leadership and surmounting those shortcomings Imo."

Do you still think St. John's should follow the Seton Hall program building model and recruiting plan?

I said it the day he took Tiny Morton. Willard sold his soul to the devil and will live to regret that decision.

So Isaiah and his family sold their souls to the devil "Tiny", Willard sold his soul both to "Tiny" and his mentor, the actual devil, John Calipari. I just want to make sure I am not missing any more devils or soul selling.
I am just glad that people can see that drama actually happens in other programs as well.

 

[SJU61982]

Seems like Zach B. has changed his tune a little bit:


‏@NYPost_Brazille

Meanwhile, I don't think the #sjubb upperclassmen could deal any better with everything that has gone on with Rysheed Jordan. Great leaders

‏@NYPost_Brazille

Never hear anything but positives from #sjubb kids about Rysheed Jordan. Seton Hall's kids should pay attention.

 

[SJUalum98]

Seems like Zach B. has changed his tune a little bit:


‏@NYPost_Brazille

Meanwhile, I don't think the #sjubb upperclassmen could deal any better with everything that has gone on with Rysheed Jordan. Great leaders

‏@NYPost_Brazille

Never hear anything but positives from #sjubb kids about Rysheed Jordan. Seton Hall's kids should pay attention.

Zach is the same guy who wrote an article the day before IW committed trying to compare him to Moe Harkless.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Paultzman:

You said in the Jordan Status? thread

"I suggest you look at Seton Hall which is in Metro area in a lousy location with a so so campus. They seem to be attracting solid kids recently facing same challenges as SJU. However they are accomplishing that, it would appear it can be done. Like Tiny or not, SH appears to be putting in the work to succeed. Recruits appear to be finding SH to be a good destination. In the long run can they sustain that? I think so, but who knows. It is not about geography, facilities, kids leaving NYC, etc. It is more about leadership and surmounting those shortcomings Imo."

Do you still think St. John's should follow the Seton Hall program building model and recruiting plan?

I said it the day he took Tiny Morton. Willard sold his soul to the devil and will live to regret that decision.

So Isaiah and his family sold their souls to the devil "Tiny", Willard sold his soul both to "Tiny" and his mentor, the actual devil, John Calipari. I just want to make sure I am not missing any more devils or soul selling.l.

was Willard a Cal guy ? I thought he was a Pitino guy. Just want to make sure we get our devils straight

 

[redfazed]

Paultzman:

You said in the Jordan Status? thread

"I suggest you look at Seton Hall which is in Metro area in a lousy location with a so so campus. They seem to be attracting solid kids recently facing same challenges as SJU. However they are accomplishing that, it would appear it can be done. Like Tiny or not, SH appears to be putting in the work to succeed. Recruits appear to be finding SH to be a good destination. In the long run can they sustain that? I think so, but who knows. It is not about geography, facilities, kids leaving NYC, etc. It is more about leadership and surmounting those shortcomings Imo."

Do you still think St. John's should follow the Seton Hall program building model and recruiting plan?

I said it the day he took Tiny Morton. Willard sold his soul to the devil and will live to regret that decision.

So Isaiah and his family sold their souls to the devil "Tiny", Willard sold his soul both to "Tiny" and his mentor, the actual devil, John Calipari. I just want to make sure I am not missing any more devils or soul selling.l.

was Willard a Cal guy ? I thought he was a Pitino guy. Just want to make sure we get our devils straight

Pitino guy. (Happy belated b'day, by the way.)

 

[jerseyshorejohnny]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/c...ll-free-fall-continues-loss-article-1.2110613

 

[Andrew]

Calling @Andrew2

Lol. I was waiting for that. I think we should take the Marillac approach and wait until April to see what happens. I don't think most on here were expecting that Seton Hall would be ahead in the standings with a win in hand at this point in the season.

Well we have 2 games in hand so the standings thing is ...... to me. We split we're tied.

I just prodded you because you had Kevin Willard on your Mt Rushmore of coaches

I may have overrated him.

 

[OLV72]

L

Seems like Zach B. has changed his tune a little bit:


‏@NYPost_Brazille

Meanwhile, I don't think the #sjubb upperclassmen could deal any better with everything that has gone on with Rysheed Jordan. Great leaders

‏@NYPost_Brazille

Never hear anything but positives from #sjubb kids about Rysheed Jordan. Seton Hall's kids should pay attention.

Does our current staff deserve credit too?

 

[redmen2014champs]

Paultzman:

You said in the Jordan Status? thread

"I suggest you look at Seton Hall which is in Metro area in a lousy location with a so so campus. They seem to be attracting solid kids recently facing same challenges as SJU. However they are accomplishing that, it would appear it can be done. Like Tiny or not, SH appears to be putting in the work to succeed. Recruits appear to be finding SH to be a good destination. In the long run can they sustain that? I think so, but who knows. It is not about geography, facilities, kids leaving NYC, etc. It is more about leadership and surmounting those shortcomings Imo."

Do you still think St. John's should follow the Seton Hall program building model and recruiting plan?

I said it the day he took Tiny Morton. Willard sold his soul to the devil and will live to regret that decision.

So Isaiah and his family sold their souls to the devil "Tiny", Willard sold his soul both to "Tiny" and his mentor, the actual devil, John Calipari. I just want to make sure I am not missing any more devils or soul selling.l.

was Willard a Cal guy ? I thought he was a Pitino guy. Just want to make sure we get our devils straight

Yes, Pitino guy, Willard and Calipari are both from the Pitino tree(sort of), and they both hired Antiguas. My mistake, had the wrong Italian restaurant.