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logen said:
I remain confused about the state school argument; if you want to be elite you obviously have to be eager to compete with the best, anyone, anytime, anywhere; period, end of story.
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Of course you need to complete against the best to become the best.

I have no problems with anyone building a winner under the same conditions. My argument is that UConn is the only state school in a conference filled with Catholic schools and one smaller private (Butler). Having state tax dollars is advantageous. It is another revenue stream for the program.

Yet, UConn was less successful in the AAC, with more likeminded schools than they have been in the BE.

When you get into the tournament, all bets are off of course. That was my overall point.
 
kranmars said:
Of course you need to complete against the best to become the best.

I have no problems with anyone building a winner under the same conditions. My argument is that UConn is the only state school in a conference filled with Catholic schools and one smaller private (Butler). Having state tax dollars is advantageous. It is another revenue stream for the program.

Yet, UConn was less successful in the AAC, with more likeminded schools than they have been in the BE.

When you get into the tournament, all bets are off of course. That was my overall point.
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I understand your point; I just don’t agree with it; Uconn‘s only blemishes last year were within conference ,14-8 in conference, 17-0 outside. IMO, they are undoubtedly a big time positive for the conference, we just disagree.
 
kranmars said:
Of course you need to complete against the best to become the best.

I have no problems with anyone building a winner under the same conditions. My argument is that UConn is the only state school in a conference filled with Catholic schools and one smaller private (Butler). Having state tax dollars is advantageous. It is another revenue stream for the program.

Yet, UConn was less successful in the AAC, with more likeminded schools than they have been in the BE.

When you get into the tournament, all bets are off of course. That was my overall point.
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The UCONN brand was brought back to life by the Big East. How much the Big East brand is helped by UCONN is damaged by the fact that they are constantly looking elsewhere.

Having a hot girlfriend doesn’t help your brand much if she keeps telling everyone she is too good for you and wants to ditch you first chance she gets.
 
IDRAFT said:
The UCONN brand was brought back to life by the Big East. How much the Big East brand is helped by UCONN is damaged by the fact that they are constantly looking elsewhere.

Having a hot girlfriend doesn’t help your brand much if she keeps telling everyone she is too good for you and wants to ditch you first chance she gets.
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If they leave so be it, the BE is certainly strong enough to withstand that; that doesn’t change the fact that the conference is better with them.
 
ADORAZ said:
I disagree. The UConn addition was the Big East being proactive rather than reactive, which is one of the most important aspects of conference realignment. The Big 12 and Pac 12 both lost their biggest brands, but the Big 12 survived because they were proactive.

Further, money is the biggest factor in all of this. UConn is a MAJOR asset. For St. John's we get an extra MSG game, another high profile away game (see what happened last year), more Tournament credits ($$$), and our next TV contract will much higher thanks in part to UConn. Also, the Big East's second most valuable property is women's basketball and UConn helps a ton there.

From a business perspective it made (and makes) complete sense. If UConn is taken by the ACC tomorrow then that may change things, but their return to the conference absolutely has benefitted both parties.
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The Big East was not endanger of losing anyone as none of the P5 was looking to poach anyone of our conference members. Adding UCONN actually now puts one member of the conference potentially of getting poached and we already have lived through these rumors this past year and will again. They do not really want to be here and this is nothing more than a marriage for convenience with them having one foot out the door.

With the Pitino effect, we would have gotten the same number of MSG games this year with one less either at CA or UBS. From the TV aspect, what happens when UCONN leaves?

Yes, there are some financial benefits but they sway a lot more towards UCONN than the conference which would have been fine without them, title or not.

The original Big East had to expand and change their model in order to keep everyone (football D1 schools mostly) in the fold and further expanded when a couple left. They had to and it worked for approximately 30 years. The new model was created when adding the TCU’s and Boise State’s just didn’t make sense and further diluted the say the non-FBS schools had. It was a brilliant move. UCONN changes the model.

Just to be open, my views on this is not due to some deep hatred of UCONN or their fans. I would feel the same way if it was say Rutgers, Syracuse or Temple because they are FBS schools (in UCONN and the hypothetical Rutgers case, I can accept that they are State schools).
 
SJU85 said:
The Big East was not endanger of losing anyone as none of the P5 was looking to poach anyone of our conference members. Adding UCONN actually now puts one member of the conference potentially of getting poached and we already have lived through these rumors this past year and will again. They do not really want to be here and this is nothing more than a marriage for convenience with them having one foot out the door.

With the Pitino effect, we would have gotten the same number of MSG games this year with one less either at CA or UBS. From the TV aspect, what happens when UCONN leaves?

Yes, there are some financial benefits but they sway a lot more towards UCONN than the conference which would have been fine without them, title or not.

The original Big East had to expand and change their model in order to keep everyone (football D1 schools mostly) in the fold and further expanded when a couple left. They had to and it worked for approximately 30 years. The new model was created when adding the TCU’s and Boise State’s just didn’t make sense and further diluted the say the non-FBS schools had. It was a brilliant move. UCONN changes the model.

Just to be open, my views on this is not due to some deep hatred of UCONN or their fans. I would feel the same way if it was say Rutgers, Syracuse or Temple because they are FBS schools (in UCONN and the hypothetical Rutgers case, I can accept that they are State schools).
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As I said, IF UConn leaves in the next few months then that could change things. Big East would still financially be better off ($30 million exit fee, Tournament credits, etc.), but obviously would be a bad look for the conference. That said, it's no guarantee they leave, especially with their football tanking once again.

Their constant P5 begging is obnoxious but doesn't have a negative impact on the Big East. Them being in the conference can (and has) increased everyone's financials and prestige.

They are the most valuable brand for our TV negotiations, and thus will have the biggest impact on payouts per school. A conference with 10 UConns probably gets $25 million per team annually. A conference with 10 DePauls probably gets $1 million per team annually. Unless proven otherwise (they leave), UConn undoubtedly helps the Big East.
 
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Villanova fan board is reporting that 3* Malcolm Thomas has committed today to play for Nova.

Nova coach Kyle Neptune did well in the transfer portal this past season but has not done all that well with high school recruits.

Nova fans allege that Neptune believes that N$L funds are better directed to the portal.

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Malcolm Thomas - DeMatha Catholic - PF

Malcolm Thomas is a PF from DeMatha Catholic in Hyattsville, MD. Malcolm Thomas is committed to the Villanova Wildcats
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Las Vegan said:
Yes, his teams do very well during regular season and during conference tournaments, but his NCAA record is not impressive.
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I'd say for now just his Texas teams didn't do well in the Tournament. At VCU he made the Final Four and advanced two other years. At Marquette he's won a Tournament game year 2 (along with BE & BET title). He'll need a deeper run over the next couple years, but undoubtedly he's been a huge success story so far for Marquette.
 
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