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RedStormNC post=450123 said:
Not sure if the coaches are playing up for being mic'd up, but Stubblefield is a nutjub and Smart is a bit all over the place too.

Really F'in annoying 
 
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RedStormNC post=450123 said:
Not sure if the coaches are playing up for being mic'd up, but Stubblefield is a nutjub and Smart is a bit all over the place too.

Really F'in annoying 
 
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lawmanfan post=450032 said:
Smart at Texas
Overall: 109–86 (.559)          
Conference: 51–56 (.477)
NCAA appearances: 3 in 6 years
NCAA Wins:  0

McDermott at Creighton/Big East
Overall:  261-128 (.671)
Conference:  82-63 (.566)
NCAA appearances:  4 in 8 years
NCAA wins:  3

Willard at Seton Hall
Overall:  216-152 (.587)
Conference:  96-107 (.473)
NCAA Appearances:  4 in 10 years (all in the past 5 years)
NCAA wins:  1

Cooley at Providence
Overall:  208-137 ).603)
Conference:  96-90 (.516)
NCAA Appearances:  5 in 9 years
NCAA wins:  1


funny but Lavin has a better conference record than all these guys
 
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DePaul now 0-5 in BE loses to Marquette, who is improving, 3-3 in League play
 
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This is some serious gaslighting.

Willard's first 5 years at SHU (Smart only got 5 years at Texas).  30-60 League record.  Do you think he survives past year 3 at Texas with that record genius?  No.  BTW-Would Texas have hired Willard with that record at SHU after 5 years?  I will let you answer that.  So of course it is absolutely ridiculous to compare what Smart did at Texas to Willard at SHU unless you compare the first 5 years.  Then of course you LOSE.

Let's look at Greg McDermott at Iowa St.  4 years at Iowa St 18-46 league record.  Would he survive at Texas with that record? Answer of course is no.

What you are saying is Smart should be held to a higher standard because he coached at a school with higher expectations and then comparing him to coaches who got WAAAAYYYY more slack in terms of bad records.  And then pretend that is fair.

Also the idea that you simply conveniently dismiss his record at VCU because it is not high major.  Dude go look at what he did.  The A-10 is not the MAAC.  He got VCU a 4 seed. That is a better seed then Willard or Cooley has gotten (and for the record I think both have done good jobs).  He got VCU an at-large bids, you don't do that at lower level conference.  Dayton was set to be a 1 seed 2 years ago.

awmanfan post=450032 wrote: Smart at Texas
Overall: 109–86 (.559)          
Conference: 51–56 (.477)
NCAA appearances: 3 in 6 years
NCAA Wins:  0

McDermott at Creighton/Big East
Overall:  261-128 (.671)
Conference:  82-63 (.566)
NCAA appearances:  4 in 8 years
NCAA wins:  3

Willard at Seton Hall
Overall:  216-152 (.587)
Conference:  96-107 (.473)
NCAA Appearances:  4 in 10 years (all in the past 5 years)
NCAA wins:  1

Cooley at Providence
Overall:  208-137 ).603)
Conference:  96-90 (.516)
NCAA Appearances:  5 in 9 years
NCAA wins:  1

 
 
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I know they won't keep it up but Marquette has beaten their last 3 opponents by 71 points....+32(PC), +28(Gtown) and +11(DePaul).

Paultzman post=450132
DePaul now 0-5 in BE loses to Marquette, who is improving, 3-3 in League play
 
I'm not sure how everyone feels about these kind of things, but for the purposes of evaluating Shaka Smart (which is apparently becoming a big issue in this thread), I would point out that when discussing his success at VCU we should also remember that Will Wade (Smart's assistant at the time) was paying players.  Whether people on this board care about that or not is another question entirely, but we should at least consider that maybe Smart wasn't just some scrappy coach with a plucky bunch of mid-major underdogs.
 
With 93 of ESPN top 100 2022 recruits signed, 3 Big East schools have two signed - UCONN # 42 & 58, Nova #36 & 65 & Xavier #55 & 61. 
Georgetown, SJU & Marquette each have one signed all of them ranked between 83-95. 
 
 
You know that for a fact he was paying players to go tot VCU?  Seen no evidence or accusation.  Also he wasn't there the whole time with Smart, he left to take job as Chattanooga HC before coming back as HC of VCU.  VCU job has been a plum job for awhile now.  Also Wade was an assistant at Princeton, was he paying players there too?

And whatever you think of Smart he recruited pretty well at Texas and started to do so at Marquette without Wade no?  In other words isn't the criticism of Smart that he gets good players but underachieves?  Is the new accusation that he won a lot with good players but he cheated?

My point is the poster cherry picks certain things to convince himself he must be right and then conveniently ignores evidence to the contrary because it would kill him to admit he maybe wrong.  

RedmanMike post=450148
I'm not sure how everyone feels about these kind of things, but for the purposes of evaluating Shaka Smart (which is apparently becoming a big issue in this thread), I would point out that when discussing his success at VCU we should also remember that Will Wade (Smart's assistant at the time) was paying players.  Whether people on this board care about that or not is another question entirely, but we should at least consider that maybe Smart wasn't just some scrappy coach with a plucky bunch of mid-major underdogs.
 
This is what happens when we get a little too wedded to our original argument.  Fordham is starting to sound like the chairman of the Shaka Smart fan club, which is probably not your intention.

I would only posit this - it is an open secret in coaching circles that Wade paid players. We know he did it at LSU - it's on tape. He's been doing it for years. Before he had access to Adidas money, he used part of his salary to pay players - which is what he did at VCU.  I have no idea if he did it at Princeton. My guess is probably not.

You can understand that VCU was paying players, and still think Shaka Smart was a great coach.  That's fine.  I'd say he's probably a pretty good coach who is OK with cheating when he can get away with it.
 
Just wondering , DePaul is now 0-5 in BE play.  Continuing their usual trend to finish last in the BE .  If our Board is feisty and nasty at times , what must the DePaul Board be like ?    Or , have their fans just given up ?    It can’t be their Gym or Facilities , they are only a few years old and look first rate ..  You would think they would attract more of the Chicago Area Players , many of whom are highly recruited and wind up elsewhere . To some extent , somewhat like us .    Clearly , the Blue Demons have been pounded ever since joining the BE . Yet , like is , they had a long and storied legacy of BB success .   They have gone through a lengthy list of Head Coaches too . Still , no success . Is it a Vincentian Jinx ?     Im
sure the constant losing doesn’t help recruiting either .  We know that for sure . 
 
SLYFOXX1968 post=450155 said:
Just wondering , DePaul is now 0-5 in BE play.  Continuing their usual trend to finish last in the BE .  If our Board is feisty and nasty at times , what must the DePaul Board be like ?    Or , have their fans just given up ?    It can’t be their Gym or Facilities , they are only a few years old and look first rate ..  You would think they would attract more of the Chicago Area Players , many of whom are highly recruited and wind up elsewhere . To some extent , somewhat like us .    Clearly , the Blue Demons have been pounded ever since joining the BE . Yet , like is , they had a long and storied legacy of BB success .   They have gone through a lengthy list of Head Coaches too . Still , no success . Is it a Vincentian Jinx ?     Im
sure the constant losing doesn’t help recruiting either .  We know that for sure . 
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I admittedly don't know much about DePaul, but they certainly have made some very poor coaching hires over the past two decades (really, Dave Leitao twice??) which makes me question how serious they are about the program. DePaul seems to have the same issue as us, lack of interest for the team. Remember, they are located in the Metro Chicago area, and have so much competition for garnering interest, just like St. John's faces in NYC.

Here's the way I view our competition in the Big East. We are up against schools who run their program like major league sporting teams, because they are the only attraction in town (UConn, Creighton, Xavier), or against schools that have unlimited resources (Georgetown), or schools that have made great coaching hires who have elevated their programs (Nova, Providence, Seton Hall, and I'll add Butler & Marquette prior to their top coaches leaving).
 
I really like Depaul's coach.  Talk about passion and a desire to win.  I thought he was going to have a heart attack on the court last night.

If he can recruit, I think Depaul can be good.  
 
Duke of Earlington wrote:
They lost freeman liberty and still dominating.  Depaul beat rutgers, louisville and now seton hall this year.  A much better resume then us.

What happened to Freeman Liberty? I saw him playing in the first half but then turned it off for dinner. Did he get hurt?
 
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