Around the Big East 19/20

[quote="MJDinkins" post=386380][quote="SJU14" post=386369][quote="fordham96" post=386368]You want evidence Georgetown is still a premium job. Moussa Cissa just cut his list to 6. He is a top 10 kid from CTK here in NY and is going to school currently in Tennessee. Kentucky, Memphis, Georgia, LSU, FSU and Georgetown. Again this is not a regional recruit for Georgetown. He did come from the DC area nor does he go to school there. He is a national recruit. Georgetown still has cache nationally. That is why their expectations should be pretty high.[/quote]

His list is irrelevant when LSU and Memphis are just bidding for his services for a year[/quote]

Add Kentucky to that list as well. It'll probably come down to those 3 schools. If Georgetown lands him then IMO they've decided to wallow in the "mud."[/quote]

Georgetown landed Greg Monroe from Louisiana, no. 1 player in the country over Duke in 2007.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=386394][quote="MJDinkins" post=386380][quote="SJU14" post=386369][quote="fordham96" post=386368]You want evidence Georgetown is still a premium job. Moussa Cissa just cut his list to 6. He is a top 10 kid from CTK here in NY and is going to school currently in Tennessee. Kentucky, Memphis, Georgia, LSU, FSU and Georgetown. Again this is not a regional recruit for Georgetown. He did come from the DC area nor does he go to school there. He is a national recruit. Georgetown still has cache nationally. That is why their expectations should be pretty high.[/quote]

His list is irrelevant when LSU and Memphis are just bidding for his services for a year[/quote]

Add Kentucky to that list as well. It'll probably come down to those 3 schools. If Georgetown lands him then IMO they've decided to wallow in the "mud."[/quote]

Georgetown landed Greg Monroe from Louisiana, no. 1 player in the country over Duke in 2007.[/quote]

That happened 13 years ago. That can be an eternity in sports. Georgetown was also playing at a much higher level at that point in time as well. Fresh off a Sweet 16 and Final Four appearance in back-to-back seasons.

By the way, I heard a story several years ago that a NIKE "runner" gave money to Monroe's church to help the Hoyas secure Monroe's services. Is there any validity to it? Who knows. But it was a story circulating throughout recruiting circles.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=386397][quote="fordham96" post=386394][quote="MJDinkins" post=386380][quote="SJU14" post=386369][quote="fordham96" post=386368]You want evidence Georgetown is still a premium job. Moussa Cissa just cut his list to 6. He is a top 10 kid from CTK here in NY and is going to school currently in Tennessee. Kentucky, Memphis, Georgia, LSU, FSU and Georgetown. Again this is not a regional recruit for Georgetown. He did come from the DC area nor does he go to school there. He is a national recruit. Georgetown still has cache nationally. That is why their expectations should be pretty high.[/quote]

His list is irrelevant when LSU and Memphis are just bidding for his services for a year[/quote]

Add Kentucky to that list as well. It'll probably come down to those 3 schools. If Georgetown lands him then IMO they've decided to wallow in the "mud."[/quote]

Georgetown landed Greg Monroe from Louisiana, no. 1 player in the country over Duke in 2007.[/quote]

That happened 13 years ago. That can be an eternity in sports. Georgetown was also playing at a much higher level at that point in time as well. Fresh off a Sweet 16 and Final Four appearance in back-to-back seasons.

By the way, I heard a story several years ago that a NIKE "runner" gave money to Monroe's church to help the Hoyas secure Monroe's services. Is there any validity to it? Who knows. But it was a story circulating throughout recruiting circles.[/quote]

Not my point Georgetown is a National player in recruiting always has been. The fact that they have had no recent success on the court and they still ARE a player is more proof of that.

Again outside of Villanova right now (who has had more sucess then the rest of the Big East combined over the last 7 years) Georgetown is probably able to get listed with top national recruits more than any other BE school.

Again when Goodman listed the best jobs in t he BE I believe it was last year he put Georgetown over Nova as number 1 even though everyone agrees recent success goes overwhelmingly to Nova.
 
I remembered this article originally but didnt remember the details.

I'm surprised by Marquette as #1 in budget/resources- just didn't expect that

Providence getting one vote above St.John's on game atmosphere is surprising to me too.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=386400]BTW here is the ranking prior to the 2018-19 Season, Nov. 2018.

It was how other BE coaches viewed all the jobs, not Goodie's personal opinion. The mild surprise again is Georgetown being the best job:

https://watchstadium.com/big-east-b...k-the-best-jobs-in-the-conference-11-02-2018/[/quote]

It won't matter much, anymore. Come July 1, when UCONN officially joins the league, they automatically become the best job, IMO. A big state school, in a league with nothing but small-to-mid level Catholic schools? No reason they shouldn't dominate.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=386398][quote="MJDinkins" post=386397][quote="fordham96" post=386394][quote="MJDinkins" post=386380][quote="SJU14" post=386369][quote="fordham96" post=386368]You want evidence Georgetown is still a premium job. Moussa Cissa just cut his list to 6. He is a top 10 kid from CTK here in NY and is going to school currently in Tennessee. Kentucky, Memphis, Georgia, LSU, FSU and Georgetown. Again this is not a regional recruit for Georgetown. He did come from the DC area nor does he go to school there. He is a national recruit. Georgetown still has cache nationally. That is why their expectations should be pretty high.[/quote]

His list is irrelevant when LSU and Memphis are just bidding for his services for a year[/quote]

Add Kentucky to that list as well. It'll probably come down to those 3 schools. If Georgetown lands him then IMO they've decided to wallow in the "mud."[/quote]

Georgetown landed Greg Monroe from Louisiana, no. 1 player in the country over Duke in 2007.[/quote]

That happened 13 years ago. That can be an eternity in sports. Georgetown was also playing at a much higher level at that point in time as well. Fresh off a Sweet 16 and Final Four appearance in back-to-back seasons.

By the way, I heard a story several years ago that a NIKE "runner" gave money to Monroe's church to help the Hoyas secure Monroe's services. Is there any validity to it? Who knows. But it was a story circulating throughout recruiting circles.[/quote]

Not my point Georgetown is a National player in recruiting always has been. The fact that they have had no recent success on the court and they still ARE a player is more proof of that.

Again outside of Villanova right now (who has had more sucess then the rest of the Big East combined over the last 7 years) Georgetown is probably able to get listed with top national recruits more than any other BE school.

Again when Goodman listed the best jobs in t he BE I believe it was last year he put Georgetown over Nova as number 1 even though everyone agrees recent success goes overwhelmingly to Nova.[/quote]

Fordham, I suspect your always does not cover the same span of time as mine. I remember when Jim Barry (Rick's cousin) was Gtown's best player in the mid 60's.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=386404][quote="fordham96" post=386400]BTW here is the ranking prior to the 2018-19 Season, Nov. 2018.

It was how other BE coaches viewed all the jobs, not Goodie's personal opinion. The mild surprise again is Georgetown being the best job:

https://watchstadium.com/big-east-b...k-the-best-jobs-in-the-conference-11-02-2018/[/quote]

It won't matter much, anymore. Come July 1, when UCONN officially joins the league, they automatically become the best job, IMO. A big state school, in a league with nothing but small-to-mid level Catholic schools? No reason they shouldn't dominate.[/quote]
on Yukon I would wait and see. They have severe sport budget problems thanks to FB. Also what have they done "lately" in the AAC? They have lost 40 games in the last 4 years in the AAC against larger but less than mid level Catholic schools. Ergo, I would wait until they can prove they can win in the BE.

Unless you mean Yukon women's BB--that is another story; they will dominate and, hopefully make the BE stronger.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=386400]BTW here is the ranking prior to the 2018-19 Season, Nov. 2018.

It was how other BE coaches viewed all the jobs, not Goodie's personal opinion. The mild surprise again is Georgetown being the best job:

https://watchstadium.com/big-east-b...k-the-best-jobs-in-the-conference-11-02-2018/[/quote]

I agree. I think Gtown is the second best job in the league and the second best brand in the league. Nova with Wright and 2 NC's has become easily #1 in my view. As an aside, I still think we are a top 5 job in the league. And I still think after Nova and Georgetown we are as recognizable a brand and have as much upside as any other team.
 
the other thing to consider is that GTown, even while being 'down' still produces NBA players...

it has a long standing relationship with the Jordan brand...

plus, their campus and overall city is beautiful.

it really should be the Duke of the Big East.

it truly has it all.
 
[quote="Rob" post=386447][quote="fordham96" post=386400]BTW here is the ranking prior to the 2018-19 Season, Nov. 2018.

It was how other BE coaches viewed all the jobs, not Goodie's personal opinion. The mild surprise again is Georgetown being the best job:

https://watchstadium.com/big-east-b...k-the-best-jobs-in-the-conference-11-02-2018/[/quote]

I agree. I think Gtown is the second best job in the league and the second best brand in the league. Nova with Wright and 2 NC's has become easily #1 in my view. As an aside, I still think we are a top 5 job in the league. And I still think after Nova and Georgetown we are as recognizable a brand and have as much upside as any other team.[/quote]

I think ranking SJU 5th is fair NOW but I easily believe SJU can be the 3rd best job comparable to say Marquette. It is really an untapped program. Hopefully they have found the coach to get it there.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=386452][quote="Rob" post=386447][quote="fordham96" post=386400]BTW here is the ranking prior to the 2018-19 Season, Nov. 2018.

It was how other BE coaches viewed all the jobs, not Goodie's personal opinion. The mild surprise again is Georgetown being the best job:

https://watchstadium.com/big-east-b...k-the-best-jobs-in-the-conference-11-02-2018/[/quote]

I agree. I think Gtown is the second best job in the league and the second best brand in the league. Nova with Wright and 2 NC's has become easily #1 in my view. As an aside, I still think we are a top 5 job in the league. And I still think after Nova and Georgetown we are as recognizable a brand and have as much upside as any other team.[/quote]

I think ranking SJU 5th is fair NOW but I easily believe SJU can be the 3rd best job comparable to say Marquette. It is really an untapped program. Hopefully they have found the coach to get it there.[/quote]

Location plays a big part. If we start winning again, a winning program in NYC would be way more desirable than a winning program in Omaha or Milwaukee if all those jobs were to be open.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=386471][quote="fordham96" post=386452][quote="Rob" post=386447][quote="fordham96" post=386400]BTW here is the ranking prior to the 2018-19 Season, Nov. 2018.

It was how other BE coaches viewed all the jobs, not Goodie's personal opinion. The mild surprise again is Georgetown being the best job:

https://watchstadium.com/big-east-b...k-the-best-jobs-in-the-conference-11-02-2018/[/quote]

I agree. I think Gtown is the second best job in the league and the second best brand in the league. Nova with Wright and 2 NC's has become easily #1 in my view. As an aside, I still think we are a top 5 job in the league. And I still think after Nova and Georgetown we are as recognizable a brand and have as much upside as any other team.[/quote]

I think ranking SJU 5th is fair NOW but I easily believe SJU can be the 3rd best job comparable to say Marquette. It is really an untapped program. Hopefully they have found the coach to get it there.[/quote]

Location plays a big part. If we start winning again, a winning program in NYC would be way more desirable than a winning program in Omaha or Milwaukee if all those jobs were to be open.[/quote]

Mismanagement, poor hires and awful sports administration have been our downfall for decades. Had we been managed right, had a professional AD and savy administration all these years, we wouldn’t been in this place and SJU would have easily been a top job. Our location and MSG are top notch. We just haven’t exploited it properly. With Cragg in place and a proven coach for once, I’m hoping we turn this ship around and start building what our brand should have been.
 
Seton Hall’s staff will conduct another virtual meeting with Top-available senior Frank Anselem today, a source told @Stockrisers. Pirates, are one of six finalists.

Kentucky, SDSU, Western Kentucky, Arkansas and Syracuse the other finalists.
 
Location is both a strength and a weakness.

New York, New York can be a drawing point for some, as is MSG and the local talent pool can have a off year or two but when you through in NYC (and surrounding counties and New Jersey) it is not a bad place to recruit. And when you win consistently, nothing beats it.

Weakness is, there is a lot of other attractions and if you aren't winning no one, but the true fans play attention and you don't draw flies. And you have to deal with the NY AAU club culture and handlers who can be "difficult".

However, if you do it right as pointed out with an administration who sees the potential, adapt and adjust to the present having real though out and laid out plan for the future including, fundraising and capital campaign/program to approve facilities, amenities and accommodations, this can (maybe should) in the top 3..
 
[quote="Rob" post=386559][quote="gman" post=386537]Top 150 PG in 2021. 247 predicting Seton Hall

https://twitter.com/ryanconway57/status/1257357912101588993[/quote]

Post-Holloway, Hall seems to be focusing more on DMV are for recruiting than NYC or even their backyard (though they are all "in" on the Sanogo kid from St Pats). Skinn has roots in that area which seems to be why.[/quote]

Skinn a very skilled recruiter and Conway will be a Pirate apparently. The Hall is also in good shape for a solid big.
 
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