Around the Big East 18/19

[quote="bamafan" post=322562][quote="Paultzman" post=322510]STANDINGS CONFERENCE OVERALL
Big East W-L GB PCT W-L PCT STRK
#13 Villanova 10-1 -- .909 19-5 .792 L1
#10 Marquette 10-2 .5 .833 21-4 .840 W2
St. John's 6-6 4.5 .500 18-7 .720 W1
Georgetown 5-6 5 .455 15-9 .625 L1
Seton Hall 5-6 5 .455 14-9 .609 W1
Butler 5-7 5.5 .417 14-11 .560 L1
DePaul 5-7 5.5 .417 13-10 .565 L1
Creighton 4-7 6 .364 13-11 .542 L2
Providence 4-7 6 .364 14-10 .583 W1
Xavier 3-8 7 .273 11-13 .458[/quote]
With these records possible we only get 2 bids if the bottom 8 keep beating each other evenly and keep losing to Nova and Marq. Hope at least 2 of these teams get hot and create some separation and good conf record to get in. Right now looks like we would be one of them with work still to do.[/quote]

The good thing for us, at worst we are going 2-2 against nova and Marquette and we could secure 3-1 this weekend which would look very good. Huge game Sunday. We’d be off the bubble until our next shaky loss
 
[quote="Room112" post=322539][quote="NCJohnnie" post=322514]Three BE games tonight:

Providence at Nova
Creighton at Xavier
Georgetown at Seton Hall
Hoping Providence & Creighton both lose. As for last game, winner will be tied with us for 3rd. I'd prefer Georgetown win, as I think Hall is more of a threat for third place.[/quote]

Unfortunately, I really feel like we need to root for Creighton and Georgetown, so our wins against them remain Quad 1.[/quote]

Also, as of now, we win a head-to-head tiebreaker with Georgetown, based on strength of victory (Marquette).

Seton Hall currently holds the head-to-head tiebreaker on us, thanks to the December 29th travesty. We will have a chance to rectify that next Saturday, though.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=322072]IDRAFT, the ridiculously talented and experienced roster is what gave us these expectations and that was even before we knew LJ would be a stud immediately. Major pundits said we will be arguably the most talented in the conference in a down year, so how is expecting to compete for a Big East title too much to ask for?[/quote]

I responded to a quote from Fordham that the expectation is that SJU should compete for Big East Titles EVERY year. Not once in four, five, or ten years. And so I asked the following and I will requote myself again.

"What about SJU can anyone point to that would make it a program that can buck the math and consistently compete to win the league?"

Not one poster has given me a list of reasons. The only two responses tried to change the topic.

I'd say I have my answer.
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=322571][quote="Mike Zaun" post=322072]IDRAFT, the ridiculously talented and experienced roster is what gave us these expectations and that was even before we knew LJ would be a stud immediately. Major pundits said we will be arguably the most talented in the conference in a down year, so how is expecting to compete for a Big East title too much to ask for?[/quote]

I responded to a quote from Fordham that the expectation is that SJU should compete for Big East Titles EVERY year. Not once in four, five, or ten years. And so I asked the following and I will requote myself again.

"What about SJU can anyone point to that would make it a program that can buck the math and consistently compete to win the league?"

Not one poster has given me a list of reasons. The only two responses tried to change the topic.

I'd say I have my answer.[/quote]
I'll give you one, WE ARE ST.JOHN'S! buddy! ;)
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=322571][quote="Mike Zaun" post=322072]IDRAFT, the ridiculously talented and experienced roster is what gave us these expectations and that was even before we knew LJ would be a stud immediately. Major pundits said we will be arguably the most talented in the conference in a down year, so how is expecting to compete for a Big East title too much to ask for?[/quote]

I responded to a quote from Fordham that the expectation is that SJU should compete for Big East Titles EVERY year. Not once in four, five, or ten years. And so I asked the following and I will requote myself again.

"What about SJU can anyone point to that would make it a program that can buck the math and consistently compete to win the league?"

Not one poster has given me a list of reasons. The only two responses tried to change the topic.

I'd say I have my answer.[/quote]

I can't say that I disagree with you but the one thing that gives me hope at this point in time is Mike Cragg. STJ got left behind as the BE expanded and my feeling was this was because St Johnshas always been a joke of a mom & pop operation, can't even handle high paying coaching hires correctly no matter who has been in the AD and Prez role since Louie left. Cragg has a great pedigree, says the right things, seems to have the support of the higher ups and does not appear to be a guy who will settle for the small time status quo of the basketball operations. I think the can provide effective leadership not just in hires but in overall administration of the showcase sport which I hope will gradually lead to increased revenue, infrastructure improvement, increased visibility, better hires and eventually an upgrade in talent on the team. There are still a lot of barriers to STJ reaching the heights some expect of it but this hire gave me hope, unlike the last big hire.
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=322571][quote="Mike Zaun" post=322072]IDRAFT, the ridiculously talented and experienced roster is what gave us these expectations and that was even before we knew LJ would be a stud immediately. Major pundits said we will be arguably the most talented in the conference in a down year, so how is expecting to compete for a Big East title too much to ask for?[/quote]

I responded to a quote from Fordham that the expectation is that SJU should compete for Big East Titles EVERY year. Not once in four, five, or ten years. And so I asked the following and I will requote myself again.

"What about SJU can anyone point to that would make it a program that can buck the math and consistently compete to win the league?"

Not one poster has given me a list of reasons. The only two responses tried to change the topic.

I'd say I have my answer.[/quote]

I dont understand your point. If recent history were the only indicator of future success every program that goes thru issues and fires multiple coaches would concede the future.

What did Villanova offer that SJU didnt 18 years ago? Yet here they are. Georgetown is generally regarded as maybe the best job in the BE and the have done nothing for several years.

Goodman posted an anonymous poll of ranking all 10 jobs in BE. SJU was 4th, I think it is 3rd personally.

I simply said Cragg and co have very HIGH expectations and they should.
 
I may be in the minority on this, but I'm just rooting for Big East bubble teams (unless they're playing us obviously). We can finish 3rd/4th on our own without the rest of the league self destructing.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=322641][quote="IDRAFT" post=322571][quote="Mike Zaun" post=322072]IDRAFT, the ridiculously talented and experienced roster is what gave us these expectations and that was even before we knew LJ would be a stud immediately. Major pundits said we will be arguably the most talented in the conference in a down year, so how is expecting to compete for a Big East title too much to ask for?[/quote]

I responded to a quote from Fordham that the expectation is that SJU should compete for Big East Titles EVERY year. Not once in four, five, or ten years. And so I asked the following and I will requote myself again.

"What about SJU can anyone point to that would make it a program that can buck the math and consistently compete to win the league?"

Not one poster has given me a list of reasons. The only two responses tried to change the topic.

I'd say I have my answer.[/quote]

I dont understand your point. If recent history were the only indicator of future success every program that goes thru issues and fires multiple coaches would concede the future.

What did Villanova offer that SJU didnt 18 years ago? Yet here they are. Georgetown is generally regarded as maybe the best job in the BE and the have done nothing for several years.

Goodman posted an anonymous poll of ranking all 10 jobs in BE. SJU was 4th, I think it is 3rd personally.

I simply said Cragg and co have very HIGH expectations and they should.[/quote]

Actually we ranked 5th in Goodman's Poll behind Gtown, Nova, Marquette and Xavier and, just ahead of Creighton. Interesting read. Thanks.

https://watchstadium.com/news/big-e...k-the-best-jobs-in-the-conference-11-02-2018/
 
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After watching last weeks Red Storm report Mike Cragg stated in an interview he feels the key to raising the level of SJU's stature is MSG. In a year or two all,big east games will be played at MSG along with two OOC games vs top competition. He feels that both players and teams want to play at MSG more than ever.
If the Holiday Festival continues that means twelve games at MSG leaving four or five at CA.
Amenities will be improved at CA but he is not tearing the roof off for expansion. He is putting all his eggs in the MSG connection which he feels will bring in recruits and raise the program.
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=322571][quote="Mike Zaun" post=322072]IDRAFT, the ridiculously talented and experienced roster is what gave us these expectations and that was even before we knew LJ would be a stud immediately. Major pundits said we will be arguably the most talented in the conference in a down year, so how is expecting to compete for a Big East title too much to ask for?[/quote]

I responded to a quote from Fordham that the expectation is that SJU should compete for Big East Titles EVERY year. Not once in four, five, or ten years. And so I asked the following and I will requote myself again.

"What about SJU can anyone point to that would make it a program that can buck the math and consistently compete to win the league?"

Not one poster has given me a list of reasons. The only two responses tried to change the topic.

I'd say I have my answer.[/quote]

The hard truth is we can’t. We lead the country in firing coaches over the last 25 years. That’s disgusting.

The only way we become anywhere close to Villanova is to let a coach remain coach for a long time.
 
Nova up 39-34 over PC at half. As usual Nova way up on free throw attempts 14-2. I appreciate they work at drawing fouls, have earned Duke like status with championships, but come on.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=322667][quote="IDRAFT" post=322571][quote="Mike Zaun" post=322072]IDRAFT, the ridiculously talented and experienced roster is what gave us these expectations and that was even before we knew LJ would be a stud immediately. Major pundits said we will be arguably the most talented in the conference in a down year, so how is expecting to compete for a Big East title too much to ask for?[/quote]

I responded to a quote from Fordham that the expectation is that SJU should compete for Big East Titles EVERY year. Not once in four, five, or ten years. And so I asked the following and I will requote myself again.

"What about SJU can anyone point to that would make it a program that can buck the math and consistently compete to win the league?"

Not one poster has given me a list of reasons. The only two responses tried to change the topic.

I'd say I have my answer.[/quote]

The hard truth is we can’t. We lead the country in firing coaches over the last 25 years. That’s disgusting.

The only way we become anywhere close to Villanova is to let a coach remain coach for a long time.[/quote]

We have led the country in hiring the wrong coaches beginning with the incompetent Brian Mahoney. Norm Roberts was the recruiter who proved he couldn't coach or recruit. We brought Steve Lavin out of a 6 year retirement and he had mixed success coupled with personal bad luck. Then we decided to break the bank by paying Mullin $2 million and Skice $600K per annum. After a few months we were left with an entire staff that hadn't even coached a CYO team. Under those circumstances how does a university retain a coach who has been mediocre for a long time?
St. John's has the resources to offer $3 million for a top 50 coach. It is a sleeping giant with over 100,000 NY area alums and fans. We have been trying to shed the provincial mom and poop image for longer than we all care to remember.
Those that oversee the university have also been overly conservative in guiding the school into the 21st century.
Make the right hires at the right time and we would be saving a lot of keystrokes here.
 
Xavier 36, Creighton 30 at half

SH up 15 v GT with under a minute in first half
 
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Looks like Hall about to join us at 6 and 6, with Creighton and others a game behind. Everything fluid from 3rd to last place, although Xavier may have that locked up.
 
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[quote="Ray Morgan" post=322712]Looks like Hall about to join us at 6 and 6, with Creighton and others a game behind. Everything fluid from 3rd to last place, although Xavier may have that locked up.[/quote]

Creighton and Xavier going to OT, tied at 59.

X needs this one, if they want to have a shot at a first division finish. They've lost 6 straight.

It sucks that we are tied with Seton Hall, because as of now, the tiebreaker is the fact that they "beat" us.
 
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[quote="SJU61982" post=322713][quote="Ray Morgan" post=322712]Looks like Hall about to join us at 6 and 6, with Creighton and others a game behind. Everything fluid from 3rd to last place, although Xavier may have that locked up.[/quote]

Creighton and Xavier going to OT, tied at 59.

X needs this one, if they want to have a shot at a first division finish. They've lost 6 straight.

May have to get up and watch the OT. Scoreboard watching getting more important as we really need to end up in third place with an over 500% conference record to be in a better dancing position prior to the conference tourney.
It sucks that we are tied with Seton Hall, because as of now, the tiebreaker is the fact that they "beat" us.[/quote]
 
Xavier wins, 64-61. Creighton, Xavier, and Providence all tied for the bottom at 4-8.

We might have lost another quad 1 victory with this game.
 
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[quote="SJU61982" post=322715]Xavier wins, 64-61. Creighton, Xavier, and Providence all tied for the bottom at 4-8.

We might have lost another quad 1 victory with this game.[/quote]

Think creighton was at #57 going in to the game. That would be a a big drop to out of 75.
 
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