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Knight said:
Will student/athletes then have to pay tuition from their NIL?
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Let's see if these socially conscience minded athletes that can command $100k + ever forgo their athletic scholarship and have the university award an academic scholarship in its place to a poor but bright student.
 
Rocket said:
Let's see if these socially conscience minded athletes that can command $100k + ever forgo their athletic scholarship and have the university award an academic scholarship in its place to a poor but bright student.
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Fair, but how many top tier coaches are passing up huge salaries when they also get deals from sneaker companies or other businesses?
 
bucketshardy said:
These kids deserve whatever the market is willing to pay them
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Wrong in that none if it has to do with the market. This is organized payoffs to attend certain schools. The schools keep their hands clean by washing the payments through a third party.
There is no real image or name market for Okembe Malarkyman going into his freshman year at Oregon State University. This whole scheme is to get 4 and 5 star players to specific schools. Maybe 10-15 percent of colleges have that kind of network of donors and sponsors with resources to literally pay players meaningful salaries.
Out of 360 Division 1 schools less than 40 will dominate the pay for play market.
There isn't even a hint of a level playing field anymore.
If a player is talented enough to earn $1 million in sponsorship fees then he belongs on the professional level.
No college player should be paid more than the college president while masquerading as a student.
These kids are not long term investments any longer. They can up and leave every year. They have no binding contract like a professional coach.
 
panther2 said:
This is going to be the end of college basketball as we know it. As soon as a Mid Major player averages 20 pts a game or shoots 40% from 3, big schools are going to start bidding. Imagine what Kentucky would have offered Ja Morant after his freshman year at Murray St.

What the NCAA did was create an avenue for the rich to get richer, while keeping all the revenue they make off of the athletes to themselves. Think about it, even professional sports have a salary cap, now there is no limit to what schools and boosters can pay players.

I have no problem with student/athletes being compensated, but without a limit as to how much, absolute chaos will be the result.
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There is certainly an element to that but you're talking like it wasn't going on already. Being a great program is not the only reason most of the top 50 recruits go to the same schools every year and have since Sam Gilbert. The amounts talked about now are just inflation taking hold. ;) The real difference is for transfers like you talked about and it is not the $$$, it's the not having to sit a year. That is a decision they may come to regret, or even walk back if cooler heads prevail in the long run.
 
Rocket said:
Let's see if these socially conscience minded athletes that can command $100k + ever forgo their athletic scholarship and have the university award an academic scholarship in its place to a poor but bright student.
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it doesn’t work that way. If they forego the scholarship it goes back to the program and the coach decides if he ants to brin pg in another kid with it, give it to a walk-on or pocket it for a potential mid season transfer or for the season.

As for being socially conscious, a player could decide to donate NLI to any cause just like anybody else and that would be their business and the causes.
 
Rocket said:
Wrong in that none if it has to do with the market. This is organized payoffs to attend certain schools. The schools keep their hands clean by washing the payments through a third party.
There is no real image or name market for Okembe Malarkyman going into his freshman year at Oregon State University. This whole scheme is to get 4 and 5 star players to specific schools. Maybe 10-15 percent of colleges have that kind of network of donors and sponsors with resources to literally pay players meaningful salaries.
Out of 360 Division 1 schools less than 40 will dominate the pay for play market.
There isn't even a hint of a level playing field anymore.
If a player is talented enough to earn $1 million in sponsorship fees then he belongs on the professional level.
No college player should be paid more than the college president while masquerading as a student.
These kids are not long term investments any longer. They can up and leave every year. They have no binding contract like a professional coach.
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Long term investment in the past depended on how well a player performed as scholarships are renewable and not guaranteed when a high school kid excepts one. So now the kid has more options.

In general things with this generation is different, even in the “real world”. I deal with companies who hire and train people in highly technical fields who after they are trained head out the door for a bigger paycheck because they are so desired in a limited field. I see that in other non-technical fields too. So you think this is going to be different.

And this so called hint of a level playing field hasn’t existed in a while. The difference is now there is no pretense and it is out in the open.
 
SJU85 said:
Long term investment in the past depended on how well a player performed as scholarships are renewable and not guaranteed when a high school kid excepts one. So now the kid has more options.

In general things with this generation is different, even in the “real world”. I deal with companies who hire and train people in highly technical fields who after they are trained head out the door for a bigger paycheck because they are so desired in a limited field. I see that in other non-technical fields too. So you think this is going to be different.

And this so called hint of a level playing field hasn’t existed in a while. The difference is now there is no pretense and it is out in the open.
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Kind of like buying pot. It used to be illegal (even though it was pretty available) but now all one has to do is go to certain states like Colorado to get as much as you want. And as the above situation relates, many think that’s a good thing?
 
Johnny Rapper said:
Kind of like buying pot. It used to be illegal (even though it was pretty available) but now all one has to do is go to certain states like Colorado to get as much as you want. And as the above situation relates, many think that’s a good thing?
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Not a fan of pot but I am a fan of players being compensated (and I wasn't always). If the NCAA had done what was inevitable and saw what was coming, they could have instituted stipends across the board. But they waited as they (and the schools) did not want the financial burden coming out of their pockets so they waited and let politicians force there hand and opened it up to allow "sponsorships" do it so it did not cut into their bottom line.

Like it or not, welcome to the new world of college athletics where you can become a hired gun.

Not sure what kind of NIL deals players can get playing in Providence, but on paper, they are still playing the transfer game pretty well.
 
austour said:
There is certainly an element to that but you're talking like it wasn't going on already. Being a great program is not the only reason most of the top 50 recruits go to the same schools every year and have since Sam Gilbert. The amounts talked about now are just inflation taking hold. ;) The real difference is for transfers like you talked about and it is not the $$$, it's the not having to sit a year. That is a decision they may come to regret, or even walk back if cooler heads prevail in the long run.
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You hit the nail on the head
 
SJU85 said:
Not a fan of pot but I am a fan of players being compensated (and I wasn't always). If the NCAA had done what was inevitable and saw what was coming, they could have instituted stipends across the board. But they waited as they (and the schools) did not want the financial burden coming out of their pockets so they waited and let politicians force there hand and opened it up to allow "sponsorships" do it so it did not cut into their bottom line.

Like it or not, welcome to the new world of college athletics where you can become a hired gun.

Not sure what kind of NIL deals players can get playing in Providence, but on paper, they are still playing the transfer game pretty well.
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I always and still believe that players are compensated enough by free tuition, room and board, special tutors, meals, travel etc. And while I know I’m in the minority on this one, I guess taking ten years or so to pay off student loans
for kids who were actual students has tainted me a bit.
 
Johnny Rapper said:
I always and still believe that players are compensated enough by free tuition, room and board, special tutors, meals, travel etc. And while I know I’m in the minority on this one, I guess taking ten years or so to pay off student loans
for kids who were actual students has tainted me a bit.
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I know about student loans as my wife brought hers with her when we got married, having two kids finish and one now going in so I do hear you. But compare the things you mentioned to what the schools, the NCAA and the networks are making off of these kids in terms of revenue, both direct and indirect.
 
SJU85 said:
I know about student loans as my wife brought hers with her when we got married, having two kids finish and one now going in so I do hear you. But compare the things you mentioned to what the schools, the NCAA and the networks are making off of these kids in terms of revenue, both direct and indirect.
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Spot on. Take Penn State for instance (my son started there but came back to NYC because he hated being in the boonies). Penn State tuition/room/board/extras including some spending money is estimated at between $53K-55K (out of state). Say $60K. For football 85 scholarship players per NCAA, that amounts to a "cost" of $5.1M (assumes no grant in aid and merit scholarship available to all students). Penn State stadium is 106,000 approximately. Season Ticket cost goes up to $2K plus so say $600 per season for revenue of $60,000,000--not a bad return on $5,000,000 plus revenue from souvenirs and food. This is without any revenues from TV/radio rights and post season. I have no prob with athletes getting a "piece of the pie"
 
BrooklynRed said:
Spot on. Take Penn State for instance (my son started there but came back to NYC because he hated being in the boonies). Penn State tuition/room/board/extras including some spending money is estimated at between $53K-55K (out of state). Say $60K. For football 85 scholarship players per NCAA, that amounts to a "cost" of $5.1M (assumes no grant in aid and merit scholarship available to all students). Penn State stadium is 106,000 approximately. Season Ticket cost goes up to $2K plus so say $600 per season for revenue of $60,000,000--not a bad return on $5,000,000 plus revenue from souvenirs and food. This is without any revenues from TV/radio rights and post season. I have no prob with athletes getting a "piece of the pie"
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Now consider this….. Duke University, tuition room and board comes to about $75,000 a year. Athletes get additional private tutoring, special meals, travel money and all sorts of clothing. I would conservatively add about $5000- $10,000 per year in extras. That’s anywhere from $80 to $90 K……

The average household income for a family of four in the US is in the $60-$70 K range. And you are going to tell me that kids playing basketball or football who already earn more in a year then the average household of four should make much more money? I’ll never go along with that.
 
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