Around College Basketball 2019/20 Season

[quote="Paultzman" post=385252]Green's committing to become part of year-long developmental program with G-League oversight that'll include pro coaching, top prospects and veteran players who’ll combine training and exhibition game competitions against likes of G-League teams, national teams and NBA Academies.

@wojespn

Story;
[URL]https://www.espn.com/nba/story...player-jalen-green-enter-nba-g-league-pathway[/URL][/quote]

I hope this is the beginning of something that will help college basketball.

You can either do to the g-league or overseas right out of high school or commit to a minimum of 3 years at a university.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=385257][quote="Paultzman" post=385252]Green's committing to become part of year-long developmental program with G-League oversight that'll include pro coaching, top prospects and veteran players who’ll combine training and exhibition game competitions against likes of G-League teams, national teams and NBA Academies.

@wojespn

Story;
[URL]https://www.espn.com/nba/story...player-jalen-green-enter-nba-g-league-pathway[/URL][/quote]

I hope this is the beginning of something that will help college basketball.

You can either do to the g-league or overseas right out of high school or commit to a minimum of 3 years at a university.[/quote]

3 years? Never happening
 
[quote="Moose" post=385258][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=385257][quote="Paultzman" post=385252]Green's committing to become part of year-long developmental program with G-League oversight that'll include pro coaching, top prospects and veteran players who’ll combine training and exhibition game competitions against likes of G-League teams, national teams and NBA Academies.

@wojespn

Story;
[URL]https://www.espn.com/nba/story...player-jalen-green-enter-nba-g-league-pathway[/URL][/quote]

I hope this is the beginning of something that will help college basketball.

You can either do to the g-league or overseas right out of high school or commit to a minimum of 3 years at a university.[/quote]

3 years? Never happening[/quote]
Probably not, but college bball is all about affiliation...its not about the players...that’s why it is great...nobody cares whether Lebron doesn’t go the college route or Zion leaves after a year
 
Zagoria;

Source: The NCAA will institute a one-time adjustment of academic eligibility standards for incoming college freshmen due to the coronavirus pandemic.

There is no SAT or ACT test currently available.

"That will speed up a lot of these reclass kids," the source said. [attachment=1403]85D15D01-A09A-4880-830B-D880C0F4CF23.jpeg[/attachment]
 
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Man...I wish I never had to take the SAT or GRE! Tons of money and anxiety. Anyway, the G League doesn't scare me. College basketball is about way way more than just money. The G League will get their share of kids but there will still be tons who prefer college. The NCAA tournament vs. no tournament. Tons of passionate fans vs. zero fans. Becoming a legend on campus vs. just another guy. It's probably better to get the "all I care about is $" kids out of college anyway. Many families still see the importance in education. You have many guys entering the pros barely literate or illiterate in many sports. Then shark agents can take advantage of them. Education still has a massive value. Earning $500k is nothing if you have no education and spend it all right away and don't save. At the end of the day there will still be tons of very talented kids who pick college over the dumb G League. I can't think of many professional leagues that mean less to the public. If I'm a top notch recruit I go to college, because I know I get my name out there more if I do really well and that can turn into marketing opportunities like Zion got. Not many would know Zion if he went straight to G League even if he was doing well. You just become another guy.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=385318]Man...I wish I never had to take the SAT or GRE! Tons of money and anxiety. Anyway, the G League doesn't scare me. College basketball is about way way more than just money. The G League will get their share of kids but there will still be tons who prefer college. The NCAA tournament vs. no tournament. Tons of passionate fans vs. zero fans. Becoming a legend on campus vs. just another guy. It's probably better to get the "all I care about is $" kids out of college anyway. Many families still see the importance in education. You have many guys entering the pros barely literate or illiterate in many sports. Then shark agents can take advantage of them. Education still has a massive value. Earning $500k is nothing if you have no education and spend it all right away and don't save. At the end of the day there will still be tons of very talented kids who pick college over the dumb G League. I can't think of many professional leagues that mean less to the public. If I'm a top notch recruit I go to college, because I know I get my name out there more if I do really well and that can turn into marketing opportunities like Zion got. Not many would know Zion if he went straight to G League even if he was doing well. You just become another guy.[/quote]

You would go straight to college if a company offered you half a million dollars for multiple years?
 
[quote="AlexSTJ" post=385322][quote="Mike Zaun" post=385318]Man...I wish I never had to take the SAT or GRE! Tons of money and anxiety. Anyway, the G League doesn't scare me. College basketball is about way way more than just money. The G League will get their share of kids but there will still be tons who prefer college. The NCAA tournament vs. no tournament. Tons of passionate fans vs. zero fans. Becoming a legend on campus vs. just another guy. It's probably better to get the "all I care about is $" kids out of college anyway. Many families still see the importance in education. You have many guys entering the pros barely literate or illiterate in many sports. Then shark agents can take advantage of them. Education still has a massive value. Earning $500k is nothing if you have no education and spend it all right away and don't save. At the end of the day there will still be tons of very talented kids who pick college over the dumb G League. I can't think of many professional leagues that mean less to the public. If I'm a top notch recruit I go to college, because I know I get my name out there more if I do really well and that can turn into marketing opportunities like Zion got. Not many would know Zion if he went straight to G League even if he was doing well. You just become another guy.[/quote]

You would go straight to college if a company offered you half a million dollars for multiple years?[/quote]

The way I was raised, education comes first. I'm sure I would be told "the money will come but you need an education first". The $500k thing is still only reserved for the very very best top 10 type kids. Those are the 1 and done's anyway so I don't see what the NCAA loses in this. If anything it will lead to more 3-4 yr kids IMO. All it would do is take top 10 type kids and then the Duke's and Kentucky's take the 10-20 types and the Villanova's get the 30's-40's and so on. It would shift a bit but there are still tons of very talented kids out there who will go to college. It's the intangibles the G League can never replicate and what keeps fans interested. There'z zero hype or following in the G League. If a kid is only about money and not growth as a person and becoming part of something much bigger than themselves, then not sure I want them on the team anyway. We still talk about guys from past teams almost 100 years ago at SJ. How many people know 1 G League player? It can have a positive effect on college hoops as it will sort out those only in it for $ and those who embrace the college hoops culture.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=385323][quote="AlexSTJ" post=385322][quote="Mike Zaun" post=385318]Man...I wish I never had to take the SAT or GRE! Tons of money and anxiety. Anyway, the G League doesn't scare me. College basketball is about way way more than just money. The G League will get their share of kids but there will still be tons who prefer college. The NCAA tournament vs. no tournament. Tons of passionate fans vs. zero fans. Becoming a legend on campus vs. just another guy. It's probably better to get the "all I care about is $" kids out of college anyway. Many families still see the importance in education. You have many guys entering the pros barely literate or illiterate in many sports. Then shark agents can take advantage of them. Education still has a massive value. Earning $500k is nothing if you have no education and spend it all right away and don't save. At the end of the day there will still be tons of very talented kids who pick college over the dumb G League. I can't think of many professional leagues that mean less to the public. If I'm a top notch recruit I go to college, because I know I get my name out there more if I do really well and that can turn into marketing opportunities like Zion got. Not many would know Zion if he went straight to G League even if he was doing well. You just become another guy.[/quote]

You would go straight to college if a company offered you half a million dollars for multiple years?[/quote]

The way I was raised, education comes first. I'm sure I would be told "the money will come but you need an education first". The $500k thing is still only reserved for the very very best top 10 type kids. Those are the 1 and done's anyway so I don't see what the NCAA loses in this. If anything it will lead to more 3-4 yr kids IMO. All it would do is take top 10 type kids and then the Duke's and Kentucky's take the 10-20 types and the Villanova's get the 30's-40's and so on. It would shift a bit but there are still tons of very talented kids out there who will go to college. It's the intangibles the G League can never replicate and what keeps fans interested. There'z zero hype or following in the G League. If a kid is only about money and not growth as a person and becoming part of something much bigger than themselves, then not sure I want them on the team anyway. We still talk about guys from past teams almost 100 years ago at SJ. How many people know 1 G League player? It can have a positive effect on college hoops as it will sort out those only in it for $ and those who embrace the college hoops culture.[/quote]

You make some great points, and I don't disagree with you. But, you didn't answer my very simple question. Knowing you have limited time to make money playing a sport, are you turning down 500k a year over multiple years to go and attend college immediately at 18? What if a Nike rep attends your HS graduation to offer you a seven figure shoe contract?

Obviously this will only apply to a handful of seniors every year. Jalen Green will make several millions of dollars by the time most people get their bachelor degrees.

I appreciate your idealism in regards to this topic. But I'm being pragmatic in this case. For decades, the NBA took kids right out of HS. I think this will benefit both the NBA and Programs like St. John's in the long run.
 
[quote="AlexSTJ" post=385383][quote="Mike Zaun" post=385323][quote="AlexSTJ" post=385322][quote="Mike Zaun" post=385318]Man...I wish I never had to take the SAT or GRE! Tons of money and anxiety. Anyway, the G League doesn't scare me. College basketball is about way way more than just money. The G League will get their share of kids but there will still be tons who prefer college. The NCAA tournament vs. no tournament. Tons of passionate fans vs. zero fans. Becoming a legend on campus vs. just another guy. It's probably better to get the "all I care about is $" kids out of college anyway. Many families still see the importance in education. You have many guys entering the pros barely literate or illiterate in many sports. Then shark agents can take advantage of them. Education still has a massive value. Earning $500k is nothing if you have no education and spend it all right away and don't save. At the end of the day there will still be tons of very talented kids who pick college over the dumb G League. I can't think of many professional leagues that mean less to the public. If I'm a top notch recruit I go to college, because I know I get my name out there more if I do really well and that can turn into marketing opportunities like Zion got. Not many would know Zion if he went straight to G League even if he was doing well. You just become another guy.[/quote]

You would go straight to college if a company offered you half a million dollars for multiple years?[/quote]

The way I was raised, education comes first. I'm sure I would be told "the money will come but you need an education first". The $500k thing is still only reserved for the very very best top 10 type kids. Those are the 1 and done's anyway so I don't see what the NCAA loses in this. If anything it will lead to more 3-4 yr kids IMO. All it would do is take top 10 type kids and then the Duke's and Kentucky's take the 10-20 types and the Villanova's get the 30's-40's and so on. It would shift a bit but there are still tons of very talented kids out there who will go to college. It's the intangibles the G League can never replicate and what keeps fans interested. There'z zero hype or following in the G League. If a kid is only about money and not growth as a person and becoming part of something much bigger than themselves, then not sure I want them on the team anyway. We still talk about guys from past teams almost 100 years ago at SJ. How many people know 1 G League player? It can have a positive effect on college hoops as it will sort out those only in it for $ and those who embrace the college hoops culture.[/quote]

You make some great points, and I don't disagree with you. But, you didn't answer my very simple question. Knowing you have limited time to make money playing a sport, are you turning down 500k a year over multiple years to go and attend college immediately at 18? What if a Nike rep attends your HS graduation to offer you a seven figure shoe contract?

Obviously this will only apply to a handful of seniors every year. Jalen Green will make several millions of dollars by the time most people get their bachelor degrees.

I appreciate your idealism in regards to this topic. But I'm being pragmatic in this case. For decades, the NBA took kids right out of HS. I think this will benefit both the NBA and Programs like St. John's in the long run.[/quote]

I read a very good article last week how one third of all NBA players live from pay cheque to pay cheque. So terribly sad that given that the minimum salary is close to nine hundred thousand dollars. The $500,000 figure you allude to is much less after you pay an agent and taxes. Of course I understand your tax rate varies from state to state but irrespective the amount is much lower. Had I had $300,000 after tax dollars a year to spend at 18 or 19 I can assure you it would have been pissed away, I would have been no different than that one third of NBA players.
Bottom line as Mike Zain has pointed out is that an education is invaluable, especially at a school like SJU where every year the players volunteer at the Bread and Life kitchen in Brooklyn and feed those just getting by. That exercise which the men’s and women’s coaches have been doing for years is probably a life changing lesson/experience for many a player and serves them well for the rest of their life. Just as going through college, studying hard, combining athletics and school and living a non flamboyant life ( excluding the Kentucky’s of the world ) will prepare one far more for the realities of life than having a large salary for a few short years just as you become an adult age wise and believe you can live like a rock star.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=385402][quote="AlexSTJ" post=385383][quote="Mike Zaun" post=385323][quote="AlexSTJ" post=385322][quote="Mike Zaun" post=385318]Man...I wish I never had to take the SAT or GRE! Tons of money and anxiety. Anyway, the G League doesn't scare me. College basketball is about way way more than just money. The G League will get their share of kids but there will still be tons who prefer college. The NCAA tournament vs. no tournament. Tons of passionate fans vs. zero fans. Becoming a legend on campus vs. just another guy. It's probably better to get the "all I care about is $" kids out of college anyway. Many families still see the importance in education. You have many guys entering the pros barely literate or illiterate in many sports. Then shark agents can take advantage of them. Education still has a massive value. Earning $500k is nothing if you have no education and spend it all right away and don't save. At the end of the day there will still be tons of very talented kids who pick college over the dumb G League. I can't think of many professional leagues that mean less to the public. If I'm a top notch recruit I go to college, because I know I get my name out there more if I do really well and that can turn into marketing opportunities like Zion got. Not many would know Zion if he went straight to G League even if he was doing well. You just become another guy.[/quote]

You would go straight to college if a company offered you half a million dollars for multiple years?[/quote]

The way I was raised, education comes first. I'm sure I would be told "the money will come but you need an education first". The $500k thing is still only reserved for the very very best top 10 type kids. Those are the 1 and done's anyway so I don't see what the NCAA loses in this. If anything it will lead to more 3-4 yr kids IMO. All it would do is take top 10 type kids and then the Duke's and Kentucky's take the 10-20 types and the Villanova's get the 30's-40's and so on. It would shift a bit but there are still tons of very talented kids out there who will go to college. It's the intangibles the G League can never replicate and what keeps fans interested. There'z zero hype or following in the G League. If a kid is only about money and not growth as a person and becoming part of something much bigger than themselves, then not sure I want them on the team anyway. We still talk about guys from past teams almost 100 years ago at SJ. How many people know 1 G League player? It can have a positive effect on college hoops as it will sort out those only in it for $ and those who embrace the college hoops culture.[/quote]

You make some great points, and I don't disagree with you. But, you didn't answer my very simple question. Knowing you have limited time to make money playing a sport, are you turning down 500k a year over multiple years to go and attend college immediately at 18? What if a Nike rep attends your HS graduation to offer you a seven figure shoe contract?

Obviously this will only apply to a handful of seniors every year. Jalen Green will make several millions of dollars by the time most people get their bachelor degrees.

I appreciate your idealism in regards to this topic. But I'm being pragmatic in this case. For decades, the NBA took kids right out of HS. I think this will benefit both the NBA and Programs like St. John's in the long run.[/quote]

I read a very good article last week how one third of all NBA players live from pay cheque to pay cheque. So terribly sad that given that the minimum salary is close to nine hundred thousand dollars. The $500,000 figure you allude to is much less after you pay an agent and taxes. Of course I understand your tax rate varies from state to state but irrespective the amount is much lower. Had I had $300,000 after tax dollars a year to spend at 18 or 19 I can assure you it would have been pissed away, I would have been no different than that one third of NBA players.
Bottom line as Mike Zain has pointed out is that an education is invaluable, especially at a school like SJU where every year the players volunteer at the Bread and Life kitchen in Brooklyn and feed those just getting by. That exercise which the men’s and women’s coaches have been doing for years is probably a life changing lesson/experience for many a player and serves them well for the rest of their life. Just as going through college, studying hard, combining athletics and school and living a non flamboyant life ( excluding the Kentucky’s of the world ) will prepare one far more for the realities of life than having a large salary for a few short years just as you become an adult age wise and believe you can live like a rock star.[/quote]

I’m asking a very simple question and stating simple facts. You both great points and again, I don’t disagree. But neither of you answered my question.
 
It's never going to be a one size fits all. There will always be players who benefit from going to college (ie. Who use it to benefit their professional marketability). Ja Morant, Tobbin from Dayton and Steph Curry are examples.
Until now agents did not want HS kids going to G league because you are playing against grown men who are very hungry. When he was on the Knicks, Hardaway Jr had a g league stint and described in detail how hungry the players were - you could see it in their eyes. That is why most HS kids went overseas or went to college- competition less intense overall.
Time will tell for Caleb Green. Incidentally with incentives he could make 1mm next year. That is a lot to give up for an 18 year old. But yes he could flame out also and under the microscope, flaws could be found in his game. Plenty of players peak too early or are over hyped and do not pan out. Ultimately only a few will truly make it but the money is mind boggling for those who do. Lots of variables to consider and situation continues to evolve. Good article here -
[URL]https://www.cbssports.com/coll...ollege-basketball-or-playing-internationally/[/URL]
 
Do not underestimate the danger of hidden early trauma in shaping some of the young athletes' lives, no matter what path they take. The evidence of mental illness and substance use disorder being linked to early physical and sexual abuse is overwhelming. Help is needed whether you are in a dorm or your own place in Sheboygan or Milano.
 
Perhaps 2021 for fall and winter college sports- from AZ president -

Robbins said the scenario he is hearing the most is that fall and winter sports, including men's and women's basketball, would all be played in 2021.

"What I've been hearing more of is that maybe doing something combining both basketball and football for the spring, so January-February 2021, and try to play both of them," Robbins said. "There will be all kind of implications for television viewing and confusion. I don't know. We just don't have any answers right now."

Robbins' comments echoed those of University of Connecticut president Tom Katsouleas, who told students in a UConn journalism class teleconference Tuesday that the "current thinking is that likely fall sports will be canceled -- with the exception of those that can be played at a safe distance."

[URL]https://www.espn.com/college-f...all-increasingly-unlikely-more-answers-needed[/URL]
 
Sources: Michigan State, UConn, Syracuse, Arizona State, Auburn, VCU, and Loyola-Chicago are expected to headline the 2021 Battle 4 Atlantis.

8th team is currently TBD.
Jon Rothstein
 
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